do you have sympathy for unemployed people

[MarkXIX]

The amount that UI pays out should decrease as time goes on. That should provide sufficient motivation as time passes to get off one's ass and get a job.

 

[Miramonti]

Doesn't sound like she's asking for sympathy.

 

[actuarial]

Absolutely not. I feel like companies should be required to show proof of offers to the government for anyone on unemployment who applies, and if it's shown that someone qualified for a job but refused it, their unemployment should end immediately for a period of no less than one year.

This seems like a terrible idea that has massive holes in it. Should people be forced to apply for minimum wage jobs and accept them regardless of education/skills? Should employers be empowered to make below market offers knowing that if they're not accepted the applicants lose benefits?

 

[kalrith]

specifically, unemployed people who turn down jobs because the salary the new jobs are offering is lower than what they're "earning" on unemployment (or comparable, with the added benefit of not having to spend time/money commuting while unemployed)?

I have sympathy for those who can't find "a" job. I have no sympathy for those who continue to leech off of my salary (through unemployment) because they haven't found "the right" job. IMO they should take the job they find and continue looking for a better one.

Situations like this is why it frustrates me every time the unemployment benefits get extended.

 

[BurnItDwn]

If I found myself unemployed, I wouldn't accept a job that didn't pay enough to cover my mortgage and bills. That said, I think I'd find something in IT decently quick. I'd be OK if I had to take a 20 or even 25% pay cut vs what I make now, but, I wouldn't settle for less than that.

 

[Macamus Prime]

If she is capable of holding out until the "right job" comes along, that's cool.

If there are bills coming in and they MUST get paid, I'll take what I can to ensure I don't fall behind.

 

[OverVolt]

I have sympathy for those who can't find "a" job. I have no sympathy for those who continue to leech off of my salary (through unemployment) because they haven't found "the right" job. IMO they should take the job they find and continue looking for a better one.

Situations like this is why it frustrates me every time the unemployment benefits get extended.

Oh please at least the money lands back into the hands of everyday people. These days at least that is a step in the right direction.

I like how people are angry about unemployment benefits but debt servicing on 14 Trillion dollars is no big deal. That is how we get into disasters like this. People being petty over little shit. If the government were a household its like they are using credit cards to pay off other credit cards and you are worried about them sending money away to one of their deadbeat kids like that is the root of the problem lol.

 

[Patranus]

Unemployment shouldn't be so high that people would turn down jobs in favor of it.

Thats not even all of it.
The youth are calling it 'funemployment' because they are getting paid by the government to do 'fun' things. They don't even need to apply for a job. They don't want a job. They don't want to be employed.

It has nothing to do with the unemployment paying more than a job rather the quality of life they can have by being paid not to work.

 

[Wyndru]

IIRC, (at least in NY) if the job opening is less than 80% of what you previously made, you are not required to interview for it. Regardless, unemployment still used to send me $10/hour job openings stating that I was required to go to the interview, I would just return the paperwork to them quoting their own policy.

The state uses unemployment to help out struggling businesses by offering these horribly underpaid positions to be filled by overqualified unemployed people. I'm sorry, but I'm not supporting that BS. I'll wait until I find a job that offers me what I feel I'm worth. Even if it's a pay cut I'm ok with it (my last job was a 15% cut), but I'm not working for 50% of what my previous salary was to do the same level of work.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

The system is being abused on a massive scale. It is unsustainable and will eventually have to be cut. I'm all for social nets, but if you are not physically/mentally disabled, your ass needs to be working. Tough shit if the job is "below" you. You obviously didn't work hard enough to differentiate yourself, otherwise you wouldn't be on unemployment.

 

[Patranus]

The system is being abused on a massive scale. It is unsustainable and will eventually have to be cut. I'm all for social nets, but if you are not physically disabled, your ass needs to be working. Tough shit if the job is "below" you. You obviously didn't work hard enough to differentiate yourself, otherwise you wouldn't be on unemployment.

You are telling me that someone who is physically disabled cannot work for a call center from home?

 

[Saint Nick]

I suppose I hold some sympathy for some unemployed people. One friend comes to mind...got a full-ride to the state U and got a bachelors in Music Composition. He's graduated and unemployable. Never held any worthwhile jobs in school.

I would say he is probably doomed to live at his parents for at least a couple years.

 

[Wyndru]

You obviously didn't work hard enough to differentiate yourself, otherwise you wouldn't be on unemployment.

What about seniority? I've been laid off 3 times in the past 7 years, and 2 times it was because the company needs to cut someone and I was the last person hired. They were civil service jobs where they legally could not lay off someone that had more seniority than me. The 3rd time was because the company actually went out of business. Each time I get a new job I hear about how they called my references and my previous boss said he wish he didn't have to get rid of me, I was a great find, etc...etc... I have never left a job regardless how bad it has gotten, and never been fired, yet every few years I'm on unemployment again.

 

[kalrith]

Oh please at least the money lands back into the hands of everyday people. These days at least that is a step in the right direction.

I like how people are angry about unemployment benefits but debt servicing on 14 Trillion dollars is no big deal. That is how we get into disasters like this. People being petty over little shit. If the government were a household its like they are using credit cards to pay off other credit cards and you are worried about them sending money away to one of their deadbeat kids like that is the root of the problem lol.

With that mindset, I guess the only issues in America are Social Security, Medicare, and the military. Since those things make up the vast majority of government spending, it's not worth discussing anything else.

I'm sure the mods will read your insightful post and delete 90% of the ATOT and P&N threads, because they're pointless.

 

[GotIssues]

Thats not even all of it.
The youth are calling it 'funemployment' because they are getting paid by the government to do 'fun' things. They don't even need to apply for a job. They don't want a job. They don't want to be employed.

It has nothing to do with the unemployment paying more than a job rather the quality of life they can have by being paid not to work.

If there is a way to abuse the system, someone's going to find it. I really don't understand how people come up with such pathetic and flimsy justifications for things like this. Kids any have far too much "me first, fuck everyone else" attitude.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Hell no, I don't feel sorry for the lazy bums. They should get rid of unemployment all together. Anyone can get a job, now it may not be their 'ideal' job but tough shit.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

What about seniority? I've been laid off 3 times in the past 7 years, and 2 times it was because the company needs to cut someone and I was the last person hired. The 3rd time was because the company actually went out of business. Each time I get a new job I hear about how they called my references and my previous boss said he wish he didn't have to get rid of me, I was one of the best, etc...etc...

Civil service jobs legally cannot lay off someone that has more seniority than another, unless there are serious problems with that employee.

Yeah seniority/tenure in government jobs is absolute BS. I think that government jobs should provide better job security vs private sector due to the arguably lower pay. It should, however, not be nearly impossible to fire someone though.