Do you guys take your remote start with you car to car?

[fleabag]

WTF? Are you telling us all of those people that have died from CO2 poisoning from tailpipe exhaust were lying?

Yes, considering that dead people can't talk.....

 

[Capt Caveman]

Yes, considering that dead people can't talk.....

I guess you can't get sarcasm. But then again, you're saying that people can't die from tailpipe exhaust. Dumbass.

 

[fleabag]

It's not safe to run cars inside no mater what you say. Everybody knows this.

Yes, "Everybody knows this" just like Everybody knows that if you inflate your tires to sidewall, THEY WILL WEAR DOWN THE CENTER....kind of truth, no? This is exactly what I'm talking about. If the facts change, you don't change, you'll only change when a consortium of scientists decide to review a given issue and then decide to give their rubber stamp of approval will you actually change your mind, even if there is science to backup what one is actually saying... So frustrating and is the reason why people are still stuck on this whole global warming is a fabrication and conspiracy bullshit..

 

[Capt Caveman]

Yes, "Everybody knows this" just like Everybody knows that if you inflate your tires to sidewall, THEY WILL WEAR DOWN THE CENTER....kind of truth, no? This is exactly what I'm talking about. If the facts change, you don't change, you'll only change when a consortium of scientists decide to review a given issue and then decide to give their rubber stamp of approval will you actually change your mind, even if there is science to backup what one is actually saying... So frustrating and is the reason why people are still stuck on this whole global warming is a fabrication and conspiracy bullshit..

LOL. Two items that have been disproven but you're such a troll you won't stop. Can we have fleabag vacationed for trolling?

 

[fleabag]

I guess you can't get sarcasm. But then again, you're saying that people can't die from tailpipe exhaust. Dumbass.

Sarcasm? Don't even attempt to play that card. I've seen enough stupid posts in my thread for me to realize every post needs to be taken seriously for avoiding the risk of offending anyone or to avoid haphazardly "owning" myself... Nice try anyway...

You're not going to die from CO2 emissions. It takes quite a small amount of CO emissions to actually kill you compared to say.....CO2 to kill you.. CO is incomplete combustion while CO2 is complete combustion.

 

[fleabag]

LOL. Two items that have been disproven but you're such a troll you won't stop. Can we have fleabag vacationed for trolling?

Disproven by whom exactly? The Internet Consortium of Concerned Trolls? Those trolls proved absolutely nothing except their own conjecture which is of course factual while they disproved my actual testing which is obviously a total fabrication, or LIE. 🙄

 

[bctbct]

I only have time to read the first and last page. I need cliffs

Is fleabag getting his ass kicked on every page?

 

[fleabag]

I only have time to read the first and last page. I need cliffs

Is fleabag getting his ass kicked on every page?

Ass kicked in the sense that I have a bunch of uneducated idiots throwing out insults at me or ass kicked like a Ku Klux Klan Member walking into a black church and yelling obscenities, then proceeding to get his ass handed to him?

 

[Bignate603]

Of course you were going to say that, how could I NOT predict you weren't going to say that? Let me put it to you this way, if the CO meter in your house is designed to PROTECT PEOPLE, and yet it is unable to detect any trace amount of CO at least after 10 seconds of the car being started up, how can the car possibly be a hazard? Why not stick that meter in the garage or carry it around your neck where you go and you'll see that you're in no danger.. As for the CO2....Are you fucking kidding me? You really so stupid as to think the CO2 coming out of your car is going to be enough to displace all of the oxygen in the air? CO is one thing, but CO2 is completely safe and it's very unlikely for the air to be completely saturated with CO2 unless you've decided to idle your fucking vehicle all day long or some stupid bullshit..

Ever wonder why those forklifts are powered by Propane? It's because it burns clean and only produces........... CO2 🙄

CO2 is not completely safe, it is the chemical that causes the response to want to breathe. Your body is incapable of sensing how much oxygen in its blood, it can only sense the amount of CO2. High levels of CO2 will make you start to feel like you're suffocating. Because of that it's not as dangerous as CO because it's harder for it to sneak up on you but it still can kill you or cause you to feel pretty lousy.

And they're only allowed to use those forklifts in buildings that meet certain requirements for ventilation to prevent unhealthy levels of CO2 from building up. Somehow I doubt you've ever checked to see how many air changes per hour you've got in your garage.

Why don't we go through some math...

Assumptions:
2.0 liter 4 stroke engine (assume 100% intake efficiciency so you actually take in 1 liter of air every revolution because it is a 4 stroke)
0*F air intake temperature, 100*F exhaust temperature
Complete combusion, all O2 going into the engine gets burned
Idle speed of 1200 RPM
5 minutes of idling
A garage that measures 15x10x8 ft (relatively modest 1 car garage) and has a low enough air exchange that we can ignore it over 5 minutes.

2 displacement in liters
0.070629 displacement in cubic feet
1200 RPM at idle
1200 Liters per minute intake into engine
42.37759 Cubic feet per minute intake into engine
5 minutes idiling
6000 Liters of air in over 5 minutes
211.888 Cubic feet of air in over 5 minutes
0.086369 Density of air at 0*F (lbm/ft^3)
18.30055 mass of air flowing through engine in 5 minutes (lbm)
0.070891 Density of air at 100*F (lbm/ft^3)
258.1506 Volume of exhaust over 5 minutes


15 length of garage (ft)
10 width of garage (ft)
8 height of garage (ft)
1200 Volume of air in garage (ft^3)





21.51% Percentage of air that is exhaust after 5 minutes

If you displace over 21% of the air in the garage with exhaust there is no way you can claim that is healthy.

 

[rudeguy]

Good to see this thread still going strong. Is he now saying that we should be running our cars in the garage? Do we do that before or after we apply the vinegar soaked cardboard to our windshields?

 

[Capt Caveman]

sarcasm? Don't even attempt to play that card. I've seen enough stupid posts in my thread for me to realize every post needs to be taken seriously for avoiding the risk of offending anyone or to avoid haphazardly "owning" myself... Nice try anyway...

you're not going to die from co2 emissions. it takes quite a small amount of co emissions to actually kill you compared to say.....co2 to kill you.. Co is incomplete combustion while co2 is complete combustion.

Troll Alert

Ban!!!

 

[Capt Caveman]

Ass kicked in the sense that I have a bunch of uneducated idiots throwing out insults at me or ass kicked like a Ku Klux Klan Member walking into a black church and yelling obscenities, then proceeding to get his ass handed to him?

Uneducated? You haven't even graduated high school dumbass.

 

[alevasseur14]

Good to see this thread still going strong. Is he now saying that we should be running our cars in the garage? Do we do that before or after we apply the vinegar soaked cardboard to our windshields?

Both.

 

[Bignate603]

It's kind of funny, he's very against idling the car outside, but he says its ok to run it inside the garage?

 

[alkemyst]

You Florida residents are a bunch of sissies when it comes to "cold." Sweater for 40F?! That's only 30 degrees away from swimming temperatures.

some of us have nuts to worry about.

 

[zerocool84]

You Florida residents are a bunch of sissies when it comes to "cold." Sweater for 40F?! That's only 30 degrees away from swimming temperatures.

For us people in LA, 50F is cold as hell.

 

[Muse]

Unless you live in the northeast and don't put your car in a garage. Ever had to chip your car out of a solid block of ice at 6am before leaving for work? Remote start lets you turn the car on from the comfort of your home a half hour before you are ready to leave so that the heat warms up, and the ice starts to melt so all you have to do is run the brush over the car.

I don't have remote start, but I wish I did. Last year I woke up one morning to find my car encased in a 2 inch block of ice. After spending about 20 minutes trying to clear a 6 inch hole in the windshield I said fuck it and called off.

Oh, I was wondering what this thread was all about and this explains it. Where I live it never snows so I suppose nobody has this feature. If I lived in Vermont and parked my car outside, I can see it.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

Yes, considering that dead people can't talk.....

<--- EMT

You're such an idiot its not even funny:

CO2 poisoning - Hypercapnia

http://www.ehow.com/how-does_4695252_carbon-dioxide-poisoning-kill-human.html

CO Poisoning

http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/coftsht.html

Just a few days ago we had a call where an 80 something year old man fell asleep in his idling car in his garage, lucky his wife found him otherwise he would have died. All he needed was a few minutes of fresh oxygen to get back into it

 

[x-alki]

Chill out peeps. Fleabag is just strengthening his case the for ownage of the year award. Cant you tell he wants is badly?

Maybe the title of this thread should be "Does fleabag take his brains with him when he gets on the forums"

 

[fleabag]

<--- EMT

You're such an idiot its not even funny:

CO2 poisoning - Hypercapnia

http://www.ehow.com/how-does_4695252_carbon-dioxide-poisoning-kill-human.html

CO Poisoning

http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/coftsht.html

Just a few days ago we had a call where an 80 something year old man fell asleep in his idling car in his garage, lucky his wife found him otherwise he would have died. All he needed was a few minutes of fresh oxygen to get back into it

I didn't say it was impossible, I said it was A LOT HARDER. Like I said before, there is a reason why they choose to use propane powered fork lifts instead of gasoline powered... It's because to make a gasoline powered forklift clean as a propane one would require considerable expense and is impractical. Anyways idling your vehicle for 5 minutes in your garage is not going to kill you.. If you have to idle your vehicle more than 5 minutes, IN YOUR GARAGE, I suggest opening the door. I'm trying to illustrate the point that it's far less deadly and more easy to tell when you've got too much CO2 in the air than when there is too much CO in the air.

It's kind of funny, he's very against idling the car outside, but he says its ok to run it inside the garage?

Hopefully you're not doing something idiotic like trying to warm up the interior of your car if you just so happen to be idling inside of your garage. For me, if I was idling my vehicle, it'd probably be because I'm working on it and if it's cold outside, I don't want the heat to escape my partially heated garage.. Again, I wouldn't be idling for extended periods of time. But this point is actually mostly moot because the vehicles I work on are much older and so usually emit CO, therefore idling inside of the garage would be a big NO NO.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

I didn't say it was impossible, I said it was A LOT HARDER. Like I said before, there is a reason why they choose to use propane powered fork lifts instead of gasoline powered... It's because to make a gasoline powered forklift clean as a propane one would require considerable expense and is impractical. Anyways idling your vehicle for 5 minutes in your garage is not going to kill you.. If you have to idle your vehicle more than 5 minutes, IN YOUR GARAGE, I suggest opening the door. I'm trying to illustrate the point that it's far less deadly and more easy to tell when you've got too much CO2 in the air than when there is too much CO in the air.


Hopefully you're not doing something idiotic like trying to warm up the interior of your car if you just so happen to be idling inside of your garage. For me, if I was idling my vehicle, it'd probably be because I'm working on it and if it's cold outside, I don't want the heat to escape my partially heated garage..

You'd be surprised. CO poisoning usually occurs then the persons are unconscious, so not much can be done about it. But, hypercapnia has symptoms that appear relatively quickly, usually from increased response time, sleepyness, decreased alertness, headaches etc. It can be disguised as well....just being tired. I remember a call a long time ago where a van full of construction workers that slept all night in their van with the heat on (on recirculate) with the windows closed complained of feeling very very ill when they woke up. Their O2 saturation was way way way too low and CO2 most likely very high from being contained in such an environment. It was some older 70s-80s GMC van so perhaps they did not allow as much fresh O2 in as newer systems do.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

I didn't say it was impossible, I said it was A LOT HARDER. Like I said before, there is a reason why they choose to use propane powered fork lifts instead of gasoline powered... It's because to make a gasoline powered forklift clean as a propane one would require considerable expense and is impractical. Anyways idling your vehicle for 5 minutes in your garage is not going to kill you.. If you have to idle your vehicle more than 5 minutes, IN YOUR GARAGE, I suggest opening the door. I'm trying to illustrate the point that it's far less deadly and more easy to tell when you've got too much CO2 in the air than when there is too much CO in the air.


Hopefully you're not doing something idiotic like trying to warm up the interior of your car if you just so happen to be idling inside of your garage. For me, if I was idling my vehicle, it'd probably be because I'm working on it and if it's cold outside, I don't want the heat to escape my partially heated garage.. Again, I wouldn't be idling for extended periods of time. But this point is actually mostly moot because the vehicles I work on are much older and so usually emit CO, therefore idling inside of the garage would be a big NO NO.

All cars emit CO, those consumer grade meters are only sensitive to dangerous levels and are inaccurate for most levels of it. There's been instances where levels were much higher than what the meter says they were.

 

[Red Dawn]

Chill out peeps. Fleabag is just strengthening his case the for ownage of the year award. Cant you tell he wants is badly?

Maybe the title of this thread should be "Does fleabag take his brains with him when he gets on the forums"

He's one of the biggest morons I've ever encountered here at Anandtech. Is he like this in all threads he posts in?

 

[Bignate603]

Hopefully you're not doing something idiotic like trying to warm up the interior of your car if you just so happen to be idling inside of your garage. For me, if I was idling my vehicle, it'd probably be because I'm working on it and if it's cold outside, I don't want the heat to escape my partially heated garage.. Again, I wouldn't be idling for extended periods of time. But this point is actually mostly moot because the vehicles I work on are much older and so usually emit CO, therefore idling inside of the garage would be a big NO NO.

What older vehicles would these be? You've only mentioned a relatively new volvo and lexus.

You still have no conception of what it's like to try and clear off a completely frozen up car. Why do you insist on defending an opinion that you have zero experience with? It's like a blind man talking about how to paint a picture.

 

[Bignate603]

He's one of the biggest morons I've ever encountered here at Anandtech. Is he like this in all threads he posts in?

I put a list of some of the better ones in the ownage of the year thread.