Do you guys know anything about Organo gold?

[Tweak155]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Your posts fall under extraordinary claims.

Provide evidence to a Mod. *OPINION* I don't think you should be allow to continue posting in the thread without providing said evidence. It should be REALLY easy for you to prove.

Merchant Sales
Paypal Sales

My last full month with the company. Anything else?

EDIT:

The wholesaling was done by cash or check (aka in person). Not recorded in the retail sales above.

 

[Kyle]

Entertaining thread- gotta say- you're one of the more mature posters I've seen here in a while- not taking the bait, explaining/answering all questions etc...interesting stuff- def. not for me- I did retail sales for a couple years and never want to go back to anything like that.

 

[kyrax12]

Entertaining thread- gotta say- you're one of the more mature posters I've seen here in a while- not taking the bait, explaining/answering all questions etc...interesting stuff- def. not for me- I did retail sales for a couple years and never want to go back to anything like that.

What?

What happened during your retail sales?

 

[Tweak155]

Entertaining thread- gotta say- you're one of the more mature posters I've seen here in a while- not taking the bait, explaining/answering all questions etc...interesting stuff- def. not for me- I did retail sales for a couple years and never want to go back to anything like that.

I can explain and answer all questions because I'm not lying. I didn't magically do this on my own - I learned from 2 other people that were doing it and did my own thing with it. It wasn't hard to do, just a lot of time involved to get started.

 

[Kyle]

I can explain and answer all questions because I'm not lying. I didn't magically do this on my own - I learned from 2 other people that were doing it and did my own thing with it. It wasn't hard to do, just a lot of time involved to get started.

Right- I don't think you're lying at all- just commenting that it's refreshing change from a lot of people in this thread (*cough* alkemyst *cough)

 

[Kyle]

What?

What happened during your retail sales?

I just hated commissioned sales - not for me.

 

[Phoenix86]

Having a product doesn't make the scam not a scam.

It's an investment (you pay to enter) where you also have to work (put in hours signing people up or selling product) to make money. Generally you do one or the other, not both. As such it's a simple risk-reward issue. You bear all the risks but not all the rewards.

Let me ask you this, if the company/product is so good, why doesn't the company bear a significant portion of the risk? Don't they believe in their product/company enough?

 

[Codewiz]

Merchant Sales
Paypal Sales

My last full month with the company. Anything else?

EDIT:

The wholesaling was done by cash or check (aka in person). Not recorded in the retail sales above.

$1400/month is not what I would call impressive and living up to the hype you build in this thread.

Are you now stating that the rest of your claims come from wholesales?

 

[PacmMan]

so tweak u did make good money...i think i ll try it...according to the 'pyramid' in this world everything works with a pyramid...all companies have their 1)president, 2)assistants supervisors etc and 3)employees.. each of them are paid different according to the pyramid system of the company so i think saying "pyramid" means nothing....also in every work u have to work so u can make money..money wont come by themselves as several people believe in these companies..so TWEAK tell me specific bad things about this company..?? (i think the system u get paid in this company is more interesting than the product 😛)

 

[alkemyst]

Right- I don't think you're lying at all- just commenting that it's refreshing change from a lot of people in this thread (*cough* alkemyst *cough)

There is no debating this company is a scam/MLM. I HIGHLY doubt the poster had $20k months, month after month and it also doesn't really explain his true profits/commissions, etc.

PacmMan: a Pyramid Hierachy in business <> a Pyramid Scheme. That's how these companies dupe you.

 

[MrColin]

I was invited by a friend to a meeting where the dude explained how we can make tons of money by inviting and sponsoring people and have them sell coffee, tea..etc,


It seems like a pyramid scheme but I want to make sure of this.

Legally, its not a pyramid scheme because they have a product. However, its a pyramid scheme.

 

[Tweak155]

$1400/month is not what I would call impressive and living up to the hype you build in this thread.

Are you now stating that the rest of your claims come from wholesales?

Lol, first from denying what I say is even true, on to the next trolling comment. But, I will address it.

This was after 5-6 months of hard work. I didn't have enough time to make it a 6 figure income like the other 2 guys I know. At the time, I was probably half of their monthly sales, which by now have probably at least grown by another 30-50%. Plus you have to take into account the commissions, which theirs were much higher than mine. They are probably looking at $10-$15k profit a month at this point after any given month. If not more - I don't get such details anymore so I'm only guessing.

Anyway, you can doubt all you want. One of us has done it and have the facts, while the other whines and speculates.

 

[Tweak155]

Having a product doesn't make the scam not a scam.

It's an investment (you pay to enter) where you also have to work (put in hours signing people up or selling product) to make money. Generally you do one or the other, not both. As such it's a simple risk-reward issue. You bear all the risks but not all the rewards.

Let me ask you this, if the company/product is so good, why doesn't the company bear a significant portion of the risk? Don't they believe in their product/company enough?

They DO bear all the risk. If their product starts killing people - you aren't at risk as they are the ones who got it certified, tested, and stand behind the product. You are not liable when the product fails. All you do is buy it and resell it, or have the customer buy it directly from them and you get a commission check.

 

[Tweak155]

so tweak u did make good money...i think i ll try it...according to the 'pyramid' in this world everything works with a pyramid...all companies have their 1)president, 2)assistants supervisors etc and 3)employees.. each of them are paid different according to the pyramid system of the company so i think saying "pyramid" means nothing....also in every work u have to work so u can make money..money wont come by themselves as several people believe in these companies..so TWEAK tell me specific bad things about this company..?? (i think the system u get paid in this company is more interesting than the product 😛)

As far as MLM, Organo Gold does have the best compensation plan I've seen, generally because you get paid in one way or another on every sale. Not all MLM's have this.

Their biggest downside is the change in their product. The coffee became more bitter (speculation of robusta beans vs arabica) and they raised the prices without raising the commission value of the product. So, before when someone spent $15, you were paid on a percentage of $15. Now it is they spend $17 and you get paid on $15. MOST MLM's do this, Organo Gold was unique in this way, but now they lost their uniqueness at least in this fashion.

A lot of people want something for nothing. They're used to walking into work and getting paid for the effort they put in while on the clock, minimal or to their best ability. It is this mentality that makes it hard for people to actually spend money to make money, thus all the stigmatism and skepticism associated with MLM.

There are plenty of other things you can spend money on and resell - you don't have to pick any MLM product. MLM just helps take the front end of product issue and keeping stock (if you don't want to keep your own) but for a monthly cost. All depends on your preference.

I had the same skepticism as anyone else, but once I saw the money being made I gave it a shot - and I'm glad I did. While it is no longer a major source of income, I took something I never did before and generated income within a year and can take away the experience I gained, which I now use on my next product(s).

 

[Phoenix86]

They DO bear all the risk. If their product starts killing people - you aren't at risk as they are the ones who got it certified, tested, and stand behind the product. You are not liable when the product fails. All you do is buy it and resell it, or have the customer buy it directly from them and you get a commission check.

What about all the risks with costs involved such as: inventory, advertising, start-up costs/fees?

Typical job: pay for time, all other risks are taken by the business.
Typical MLM: commission for sales for time+capital risks mentioned above. How much were you making/hour?

You really don't even need to know that. Ask yourself one question: where does the company make it's money? Who pays the company, the customers or off of the reps?

 

[Tweak155]

What about all the risks with costs involved such as: inventory, advertising, start-up costs/fees?

Typical job: pay for time, all other risks are taken by the business.
Typical MLM: commission for sales for time+capital risks mentioned above. How much were you making/hour?

You really don't even need to know that. Ask yourself one question: where does the company make it's money? Who pays the company, the customers or off of the reps?

It appears your strict assessment of risk is money. I don't view it this way because if you want to get into business for yourself, costs are involved. Try getting into a McDonald's or Starbucks and see what your startup costs are. Now compare that to your own mom n' pop store. The smaller store will be way less, but your profits will likely be a lot less as well. However you're still looking at tens of thousands of dollars just to get going.

Most MLM's are $50 or less for their base fee, and up to a few thousand for higher packages to get started. Point being, you can choose what you're comfortable with.

To me - the real risk is selling a consumable product and taking risk in what that customer does with that product. This is a much higher risk than your initial investment (unavoidable with any business) as you can be sued for millions depending on the issue.

To answer your direct questions - I was probably getting paid 50 cents an hour to start lol. But by the end it was more in the neighborhood of $20-$100/hr depending on what I was getting paid for. If time would have been able to continue, that number would only increase. This is why you sacrifice to get started. You don't get reward for NOTHING as is most people's mentality. You just want the check, not the investment. Get real.

The company makes its money off the customers AND distributors, no doubt. But they wouldn't be in business if they weren't paying the distributors, either. Additionally the distributors are the ones finding customers, so the distributors are making money from their customers too.

Same as a regular company - if you cost more than your productivity your ass is canned. So if you want to go around avoiding companies that make money off you - good luck.

 

[Crono]

Regardless of whether the company is a scam or a MLM scheme or not, their product (the coffee) is crap. Once enough people have tried it I bet new sales will drop to almost nothing. No coffee lover I know likes the stuff, and I will gladly buy even the worst instant coffee before I buy Organo Gold. The health claims they make are misleading at best, too, so I don't know how anyone can sell the stuff in good conscience unless they are honest about the product... or are ignorant.

 

[Tweak155]

Regardless of whether the company is a scam or a MLM scheme or not, their product (the coffee) is crap. Once enough people have tried it I bet new sales will drop to almost nothing. No coffee lover I know likes the stuff, and I will gladly buy even the worst instant coffee before I buy Organo Gold. The health claims they make are misleading at best, too, so I don't know how anyone can sell the stuff in good conscience unless they are honest about the product... or are ignorant.

I'd tend to agree with you - however they sold $150 million last year and projected $300 million end of this year. They've done nothing but exploded.

 

[Meghan54]

I'd tend to agree with you - however they sold $150 million last year and projected $300 million end of this year. They've done nothing but exploded.

So, they project $300M in sales this year, in comparison to the U.S. coffee market that had sales of $4.52B in 2011, a sales figure which did NOT include sales in Wal-Mart or discount clubs. Seems a rather small company. Worldwide coffee sales, which I'm sure Organo Gold bases its sales figures upon, top $70B each year, making Organo Gold a drop in the world coffee bucket.

And is their coffee all instant? Just curious because the inclusion of the aluminum to prevent caking is sort of lost on me for ground coffee or whole beans. Seems that would only be useful with instant coffee.

Honestly, I don't see much different between this stuff and the host of boutique brands that have sprung up over the years. Tough market to try to crash into, esp. having to use the horrible sales method of MLM vs. a "real" company with shelf space in whatever marketplace you care to choose....grocery, boutique coffee shop, Whole Foods (this outlet would seem to be the best place for this stuff; more exposure, more sales).

And this is what always bothers me about an MLM product...why isn't the product good enough to be sold on store shelves of some sort? Why cripple sales by having only friends selling to friends or trying to corral strangers into buying--sort of the door-to-door selling method?

 

[Crono]

So, they project $300M in sales this year, in comparison to the U.S. coffee market that had sales of $4.52B in 2011, a sales figure which did NOT include sales in Wal-Mart or discount clubs. Seems a rather small company.

And is their coffee all instant? Just curious because the inclusion of the aluminum to prevent caking is sort of lost on me for ground coffee or whole beans. Seems that would only be useful with instant coffee.

Honestly, I don't see much different between this stuff and the host of boutique brands that have sprung up over the years. Tough market to try to crash into, esp. having to use the horrible sales method of MLM vs. a "real" company with shelf space in whatever marketplace you care to choose....grocery, boutique coffee shop, Whole Foods (this outlet would seem to be the best place for this stuff; more exposure, more sales).

And this is what always bothers me about an MLM product...why isn't the product good enough to be sold on store shelves of some sort? Why cripple sales by having only friends selling to friends or trying to corral strangers into buying--sort of the door-to-door selling method?

Door-to-door/MLM is what companies do when either: a) they are local and tiny b) their products are terrible c) their products are overpriced for whatever reason or d) a combination of the above

Even stuff like school fundraisers with catalogs annoys me. I always rather just give a small amount of cash directly to a cause than buy crappy, overpriced products. But for companies like Organo the money goes straight to the people at the top and a little to sales people. No incentive for me or anyone to buy a substandard product to line someone's pockets.

 

[alkemyst]

Lol, first from denying what I say is even true, on to the next trolling comment. But, I will address it.

This was after 5-6 months of hard work. I didn't have enough time to make it a 6 figure income like the other 2 guys I know. At the time, I was probably half of their monthly sales, which by now have probably at least grown by another 30-50%. Plus you have to take into account the commissions, which theirs were much higher than mine. They are probably looking at $10-$15k profit a month at this point after any given month. If not more - I don't get such details anymore so I'm only guessing.

Anyway, you can doubt all you want. One of us has done it and have the facts, while the other whines and speculates.

Other than the two guys you 'know' making six figures...how many have you been with that haven't made a profit ever, how many quit, etc?

Sounds like you may have been 'tapped' to step into a spot like the guy that was picked to represent the entire south region.

 

[alkemyst]

It appears your strict assessment of risk is money. I don't view it this way because if you want to get into business for yourself, costs are involved. Try getting into a McDonald's or Starbucks and see what your startup costs are. Now compare that to your own mom n' pop store. The smaller store will be way less, but your profits will likely be a lot less as well. However you're still looking at tens of thousands of dollars just to get going.

Most MLM's are $50 or less for their base fee, and up to a few thousand for higher packages to get started. Point being, you can choose what you're comfortable with.

To me - the real risk is selling a consumable product and taking risk in what that customer does with that product. This is a much higher risk than your initial investment (unavoidable with any business) as you can be sued for millions depending on the issue.

To answer your direct questions - I was probably getting paid 50 cents an hour to start lol. But by the end it was more in the neighborhood of $20-$100/hr depending on what I was getting paid for. If time would have been able to continue, that number would only increase. This is why you sacrifice to get started. You don't get reward for NOTHING as is most people's mentality. You just want the check, not the investment. Get real.

The company makes its money off the customers AND distributors, no doubt. But they wouldn't be in business if they weren't paying the distributors, either. Additionally the distributors are the ones finding customers, so the distributors are making money from their customers too.

Same as a regular company - if you cost more than your productivity your ass is canned. So if you want to go around avoiding companies that make money off you - good luck.

Seriously, you comparing buying a McDonald's franchise with this crap? You do realize it's pretty damn rare for any McDonald's owner to fail due to the company researching that plot.

The whole "it's only $50" is how MLM companies pay their top scammers/sellers!

 

[alkemyst]

They DO bear all the risk. If their product starts killing people - you aren't at risk as they are the ones who got it certified, tested, and stand behind the product. You are not liable when the product fails. All you do is buy it and resell it, or have the customer buy it directly from them and you get a commission check.

Hate to break it to you, but if that company were to be sued majorly; they'd file bankruptcy and fold.

Any of the top earners in an upline would be open for suit, chances are they also are operating as an LLC at the top level, but those big earners below them probably aren't.

 

[paulney]

I don't understand the hostile attitude towards Tweak. He clearly knows what he is talking about, he has no illusions about what he was involved in, he is not advocating the product. Why do you guys strive to put him down?

He put the effort into the scheme, and it paid off for him, however well. He is no longer in it, and he has the experience and some insider knowledge to boot, as opposed to resident trolls. STFU for a moment, and let him speak.

 

[Phoenix86]

I don't understand the hostile attitude towards Tweak. He clearly knows what he is talking about, he has no illusions about what he was involved in, he is not advocating the product. Why do you guys strive to put him down?

He put the effort into the scheme, and it paid off for him, however well. He is no longer in it, and he has the experience and some insider knowledge to boot, as opposed to resident trolls. STFU for a moment, and let him speak.

When he says crap like MLMs use similar business structures as standard businesses and that MLM companies take ALL the risk, well. I just have to call bullshit.

No one really disputes the ability to make money, what's in question is the business model and often the quality/claims of the products.