Do you consider China to be communist?

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: KirbsAw

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: KirbsAw
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't true communism after socialism when society has evolved beyond the need for government? (i.e. anarchy)

I also seem to recall socialism is to the extreme left and communism is at the extreme right.

Communism extreme right??? What?

Socialism was meant to be a way to communism without going through the revoltion that was supposed to be the base for communism. These days socialism has evolved to a political viewpoint in itself.

Thats what i remember from Poli Sci. Communism is the most limited government you can have, there isnt one. It was supposed to be a utopian society that didnt need a government to tell them what to do

Well, technically that's anarchy. Communism is sort of, the entire population being the government. So technically you can say it's far right, but not in the ordinary way.

 

[zephyrprime]

As many have noted, there's a lot of confusion over the term "communism". Firstly, there's the classical Marxian Communism which has never really existed and then there's colloquial communism which is defined as: "Whatever the USSR was, that's Communism".

China is really an authoritarian state. They're by no means communist in my opinion. They're not even socialist in my opinion since they lack free health care, free education, free housing, and guaranteed employment. And most of the wealth redistribution there is from the proletariet to the elite. The opposite of what socialism is supposed to be.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
As many have noted, there's a lot of confusion over the term "communism". Firstly, there's the classical Marxian Communism which has never really existed and then there's colloquial communism which is defined as: "Whatever the USSR was, that's Communism".

China is really an authoritarian state. They're by no means communist in my opinion. They're not even socialist in my opinion since they lack free health care, free education, free housing, and guaranteed employment. And most of the wealth redistribution there is from the proletariet to the elite. The opposite of what socialism is supposed to be.

Spot on!

 

[0roo0roo]

you can be arrested and jailed for saying the wrong thing on the internet there. its not as hunky dory as some people would like to think. they let you make money now, just dont let you be fooled..its still oppressive.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: KirbsAw
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't true communism after socialism when society has evolved beyond the need for government? (i.e. anarchy)

I also seem to recall socialism is to the extreme left and communism is at the extreme right.

Communism extreme right??? What?

Socialism was meant to be a way to communism without going through the revoltion that was supposed to be the base for communism. These days socialism has evolved to a political viewpoint in itself.

He might mean a totalitarian dictatorship (stalinist -about as far right as you can get.)
Which could possibly make him correct since there has never been a true communist (marxsist) government which would be about as far to the left as you can get.
*shrugs*

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: KirbsAw

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: KirbsAw
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't true communism after socialism when society has evolved beyond the need for government? (i.e. anarchy)

I also seem to recall socialism is to the extreme left and communism is at the extreme right.

Communism extreme right??? What?

Socialism was meant to be a way to communism without going through the revoltion that was supposed to be the base for communism. These days socialism has evolved to a political viewpoint in itself.

Thats what i remember from Poli Sci. Communism is the most limited government you can have, there isnt one. It was supposed to be a utopian society that didnt need a government to tell them what to do

Actually, communist is left, not right. They believe in total equality of people and distribution of wealth, leftist ideas....

 

[Steeplerot]

There never has been a "real" communist government -just dictatorships or authoritarian stuff which are extreme right.
*this has been beaten like a dead horse*

 

[artikk]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: Czar
no, not really

its sortof a communistic capitalistic dictatorship, if that makes any sense

That's kinda how I see it.

lets say it's modern communism

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: glenn1
Not really, although you can consider it authoritarian and inefficient, sorta like communism run by incompetents. True communist states suck every bit of vibrancy and creativity out of their subjects. 20 years ago, yes, but not now - I think they've come to the realization that the kleptocrats will have more to skim off the top if they don't run it as a strictly socialist gig.

there is no "true communist" state in that communism doesn't define how things should be set up in great detail. Past communist states were only some versions of communism but perhaps showed what is likely to happen when it is attempted.

 

[imported_KirbsAw]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: KirbsAw
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't true communism after socialism when society has evolved beyond the need for government? (i.e. anarchy)

I also seem to recall socialism is to the extreme left and communism is at the extreme right.

Communism extreme right??? What?

Socialism was meant to be a way to communism without going through the revoltion that was supposed to be the base for communism. These days socialism has evolved to a political viewpoint in itself.

He might mean a totalitarian dictatorship (stalinist -about as far right as you can get.)
Which could possibly make him correct since there has never been a true communist (marxsist) government which would be about as far to the left as you can get.
*shrugs*

Thats what I was getting at, its a technical thing. Not necessarily extreme right, but much more right leaning than socialism.

 

[Cerb]

Stop with the polls, dude!

China is not communist. They have only recently begun making communist-like policy, and it is still too perverted to be called communism.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Nah, China is not communist. It's a relatively failed attempt at an authoritarian socialist state (never really was an actual dictatorship since that geneally implies totalitarianism). It's now embraced capitalism quite readily, not as a measure to conquer the US economically but because they finally realized that it was either sink or swim. They are swimming as if they're going for the Olympic gold now though and realizing that it's better to be a live as a capitalist pig than as a dead socialist swine.

I'm posting this from China (Honk Kong) right now, btw, and hope to see some of the capitalism up close and personal very shortly. I'll tell you that they don't hold back though. One damn Jack & Coke cost me 15 bucks US last night at the hotel, though it was a healthy pour. After 35 hours of traveling it was worth every penny though.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: KirbsAw

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: KirbsAw
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't true communism after socialism when society has evolved beyond the need for government? (i.e. anarchy)

I also seem to recall socialism is to the extreme left and communism is at the extreme right.

Communism extreme right??? What?

Socialism was meant to be a way to communism without going through the revoltion that was supposed to be the base for communism. These days socialism has evolved to a political viewpoint in itself.

He might mean a totalitarian dictatorship (stalinist -about as far right as you can get.)
Which could possibly make him correct since there has never been a true communist (marxsist) government which would be about as far to the left as you can get.
*shrugs*

Thats what I was getting at, its a technical thing. Not necessarily extreme right, but much more right leaning than socialism.

Well, the system is not that simple, there's 2 axes. Theres government and theres equality. Equality is the horizontal, government is the vertical.
But soviet did have a very big government.

 

[MemoryInAGarden]

Technically, they are communistic, but some capitalism is evident, especially in the economy.

 

[Strk]

It's a socialist, authoritarian government.

 

[qbackin]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: Czar
no, not really

its sortof a communistic capitalistic dictatorship, if that makes any sense

That's kinda how I see it.

 

[Kntx]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
As many have noted, there's a lot of confusion over the term "communism". Firstly, there's the classical Marxian Communism which has never really existed and then there's colloquial communism which is defined as: "Whatever the USSR was, that's Communism".

China is really an authoritarian state. They're by no means communist in my opinion. They're not even socialist in my opinion since they lack free health care, free education, free housing, and guaranteed employment. And most of the wealth redistribution there is from the proletariet to the elite. The opposite of what socialism is supposed to be.

Sounds a lot like the USA!

 

[WalkingDead]

with the execption of that China has a flat 10% income tax (none for salary under 1000-1500 RMB a month, depends on the region).

In China there's also no yearly porperty tax, no sales taxes, no dead tax and no services tax (often brand as useage fee, licence fee & etc in the US).

Yes there're no free health care, free education, free housing in China but those services are costing much cheaper than what we're paying in in the US in comparison to our income.

Oh....my! The Chinese government is run by the Rupublican!