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Xavier434

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The ratings are fine. I am a parent and can easily find out whether or not a movie is appropriate for my kid even without the ratings thanks to the internet.

My opinion is that if someone's 13 year old cannot handle the vast majority of PG-13 movies with only a few exceptions that can be easily filtered then the parents have not raised them right. At that age, our job is prepare them. Not censor them.

Oh and PG? Forget it. PG is more than fine.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: vulcanman
Originally posted by: Deeko
Really? You're concerned over "she grabbed my butt"? Come on now, that's ridiculous. Its PG, not G. They actually SWEAR in PG-13, and can show brief nudity, you know that, right? Hardly the same as "she grabbed my butt"

Concur. Evidently, there is grave hypocrisy ... in that, we are ok with PG and PG-13 movies that denigrate women (FYI - I am a dad) ... but are shocked when kids grow up abuse/beat their wives and girlfriends ?

And that applies to sex as well - Ok to show it ... but vehemently disapprove of kids who engage in it.

You are taking this way too far. This stuff is in no way tied to what you fear. At the end of it all, movies are all fiction. Parents need to teach their kids that there is a difference between fiction and reality even on the big screen. Parents who succeed in that lesson have nothing to fear. If my parents were able to do that with me then there is no excuse for anyone else.
 

Fingolfin269

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Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: vulcanman
I am troubled by the language and adult themes in recent PG movies. Are parents losing the battle when it comes to regulating what their kids watch ? Especially, when some PG-13 / PG rated movies are more riskque than some R rated movies.

I'll try to ignore the general insanity (and bad spelling) of this statement and respond to the question at hand...

If anything, PG have become tamer in recent years. Go back and watch PG movies from the 80's - Back To The Future, Gremlins, Indiana Jones and the Temple Of Doom. PG movies regularly had elaborate violence, cursing (up to and including shit and fuck), racism, and the dreaded "sexual situations".

WTF is up with parents these days. My friends who grew up in families that regularly cursed and otherwise didn't hide innapropriate content are as well adjusted as anyone else I know - possibly moreso. There's more to parenting than censorship.

The problem was there was no rating between PG and R prior to 1984 so they had to go one way or the other. Temple of Doom caused the MPAA to get together and create the PG-13 rating which was first given to the movie Red Dawn.

OK, take out Indy and my points remain. For example, here's some 80's PG movies (post PG-13 era) that use the word "fuck":

Spaceballs
Beetlejuice
Crocodile Dundee
Big

I'm pretty sure Top Gun was PG when it came out.

 

Gooberlx2

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I remember watching a PG13 movie from back in the mid-80s where the f-bomb was dropped a couple times. I don't think movies are really pushing it any more than they have in the last 25 years.
 

Gooberlx2

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Originally posted by: aircooled
My daughter's 16 now, but I have never censored her from movies because of their rating if I am watching it with her. I'd rather her see a good R rated movie than a crappy PG one.

Agreed. Though I may not have any kids yet, that's how my parents were with me, and how I'll be with mine.
 

InflatableBuddha

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The MPAA absolutely is a joke...somewhat formulaic, as some have mentioned, but with little consistency between ratings.

However, no one has mentioned the biggest scandal. Movies are targeted to hit specific ratings to maximize profits. It's not about protecting children or freedom of speech. It's about money.

Show all the blood and guts you want, maybe a couple tit shots, but one too many f-bombs, and you're looking at an R rating. Oops, now only 17 year olds can see it. Okay...edit the language a bit, and now you have a PG-13 rating, and you'll hook the teenage market, where a lot of the ticket sales come from.

The studios want many movies to be as graphic and innuendo-laced as possible, because it appeals to people's base desires. By limiting the coarse language, they can still sell tickets to teenagers, and they don't lose out on a large demographic sector. The teens will be enticed by the sex and violence enough to pay to watch these PG-13 movies.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
The MPAA absolutely is a joke...somewhat formulaic, as some have mentioned, but with little consistency between ratings.

However, no one has mentioned the biggest scandal. Movies are targeted to hit specific ratings to maximize profits. It's not about protecting children or freedom of speech. It's about money.

Show all the blood and guts you want, maybe a couple tit shots, but one too many f-bombs, and you're looking at an R rating. Oops, now only 17 year olds can see it. Okay...edit the language a bit, and now you have a PG-13 rating, and you'll hook the teenage market, where a lot of the ticket sales come from.

The studios want many movies to be as graphic and innuendo-laced as possible, because it appeals to people's base desires. By limiting the coarse language, they can still sell tickets to teenagers, and they don't lose out on a large demographic sector. The teens will be enticed by the sex and violence enough to pay to watch these PG-13 movies.

Worse yet is how the MPAA will guide the big studios as to how to acheive the desired rating, with specific scene-by-scene instruction, while the indies receive no such help whatsoever.
 

elektrolokomotive

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Originally posted by: lokiju
Then again I was surprised at how "adult" Beowulf was for being PG-13.

Totally agree with this sentiment. I too, was somewhat shocked this didn't pick up an R rating. I thought about maybe the reasoning that it was animated, but then thought back to the X-rated Ralph Bakshi cartoons (Fritz the Cat, Heavy Traffic), so that couldn't be it.

Yeah, I said Ralph Bakshi. I'm old.

 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha
The MPAA absolutely is a joke...somewhat formulaic, as some have mentioned, but with little consistency between ratings.

However, no one has mentioned the biggest scandal. Movies are targeted to hit specific ratings to maximize profits. It's not about protecting children or freedom of speech. It's about money.

Show all the blood and guts you want, maybe a couple tit shots, but one too many f-bombs, and you're looking at an R rating. Oops, now only 17 year olds can see it. Okay...edit the language a bit, and now you have a PG-13 rating, and you'll hook the teenage market, where a lot of the ticket sales come from.

The studios want many movies to be as graphic and innuendo-laced as possible, because it appeals to people's base desires. By limiting the coarse language, they can still sell tickets to teenagers, and they don't lose out on a large demographic sector. The teens will be enticed by the sex and violence enough to pay to watch these PG-13 movies.


This is very true. It's also why I tend not to even look at the ratings when I am concerned about this issue with my young one. Reviews and trailers over the internet are much more useful to me when I am trying to figure this stuff out.
 

torpid

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The problem is not that they are too lenient or too strict, it's that they are ludicrously inconsistent. Like I said, Whale Rider at PG-13 is a total joke. That movie is more family friendly than a huge percentage of PG movies and I would argue much more beneficial to show to children than any disney drek.
 

manowar821

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Accurate? I think they're too harsh. Let's get rid of the rating system completely and just make parents do their job, and parent.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
I don't watch many "PG" movies, so I can't really say if that rating is being abused much.

I can say though, I've been quite shocked at what some PG-13 movies get away with. The whole rating system is quite a joke. It's not what you say it's how you say it. It's not the fact that someguy got decapitated on screen, it's that it sprayed blood when it happened. Boobs are okay if you pose naked for a picture, but got forbid somebody puts a hand on them.

It's like some guy is sitting there with some sort of formula punching these things in.

14 "sh!ts'
1 "F" bomb
A nipple slip
47 deaths, 2 of which were graphic

......

compute

......

Ok, that's an R.

Then they take it back to the studio and say, take out one death, one F bomb, or the tit and you'll get the PG-13.

It's just a completely fouled up system that isn't there as a benefit to parents. It's there as a punishment/control system for the studios.

Anybody who has not seen it should watch the documentary "This Move Is Not Yet Rated", it'll give you a lot of insight into movie ratings.

Edit: For poll purposes, my daughter is 8 and I pay no attention to the rating. I rely more on previews, and it's generally pretty obvious what the tone of a movie will be if you just watch the preview online.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Accurate? I think they're too harsh. Let's get rid of the rating system completely and just make parents do their job, and parent.

That's the whole point, the rating system tells parents about the contents of the movie so they are better equipped to do their jobs.
 

m1ldslide1

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: vulcanman
I am troubled by the language and adult themes in recent PG movies. Are parents losing the battle when it comes to regulating what their kids watch ? Especially, when some PG-13 / PG rated movies are more riskque than some R rated movies.

I'll try to ignore the general insanity (and bad spelling) of this statement and respond to the question at hand...

If anything, PG have become tamer in recent years. Go back and watch PG movies from the 80's - Back To The Future, Gremlins, Indiana Jones and the Temple Of Doom. PG movies regularly had elaborate violence, cursing (up to and including shit and fuck), racism, and the dreaded "sexual situations".

WTF is up with parents these days. My friends who grew up in families that regularly cursed and otherwise didn't hide innapropriate content are as well adjusted as anyone else I know - possibly moreso. There's more to parenting than censorship.

The problem was there was no rating between PG and R prior to 1984 so they had to go one way or the other. Temple of Doom caused the MPAA to get together and create the PG-13 rating which was first given to the movie Red Dawn.

Movie? Don't you mean documentary?

And yeah, people's beating hearts being ripped out of their chests in real time should probably warrant a PG-13 or better. Interesting that movie was the catalyst for the ratings revision.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: manowar821
Accurate? I think they're too harsh. Let's get rid of the rating system completely and just make parents do their job, and parent.

That's the whole point, the rating system tells parents about the contents of the movie so they are better equipped to do their jobs.

Except it doesn't. The current rating system is antiquated and useless, especially with the way they're rated by the MPAA. As stated earlier, violence won't get something rated nearly as high as nudity. How does that make sense?

A better system might be one which lists the actual "offenses" of any given movie and let the parents decide what level is appropriate rather than these ridiculous blanket ratings which are the opinions of a group of morons, and have no basis in fact. Facts would be

Fuck: 2
Shit: 13
Female Frontal Nudity: 2 sec
Decapitations by sword: 159

Compare that to

PG-13

And tell me which system is more useful for parents.
 
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Originally posted by: vulcanman
Originally posted by: Deeko
Really? You're concerned over "she grabbed my butt"? Come on now, that's ridiculous. Its PG, not G. They actually SWEAR in PG-13, and can show brief nudity, you know that, right? Hardly the same as "she grabbed my butt"

Concur. Evidently, there is grave hypocrisy ... in that, we are ok with PG and PG-13 movies that denigrate women (FYI - I am a dad) ... but are shocked when kids grow up abuse/beat their wives and girlfriends ?

And that applies to sex as well - Ok to show it ... but vehemently disapprove of kids who engage in it.

This may come out sounding harsh, and I don't mean to flame, but you sound to me like you are absolutely the worst type of parent out there. You have an extremely strict view of what should or should not be allowed, but rather than take the time to view potentially offensive content to see if it meets your unreasonably rigid standards, you expect an organization to do it for you. This is irresponsible and irrational. It is not the MPAAs job to censor information so that prudish people like yourself can live comfortably under the assumption that their children will never be exposed to anything bad. It's a voluntary ratings system offered up for free to you as a guide. If you don't think it is adequate, it is your job as a parent to do what you think is important to raise your children (in this case, screening movies). No one else can raise your kids for you, least of all an organization like the MPAA.

Let me relate a story. I have a friend. From the age of 6, he was homeschooled, because the children at school were a bad influence. He had extremely limited access to media, and was not allowed to watch TV, play video games, listen to pop music, etc. (he could watch movies from the 1940s provided his mom was supervising). I was allowed to watch pretty much whatever I wanted from a young age, I got into gangsta rap in middle school (passing fad), I played violent video games, etc. Clearly, all this negative media influence was destined to turn me into a world class fuckup, but my friend would be fine because he avoided it.

Except that is exactly the opposite of what happened. My friend, sheltered as he was, stumbled upon a friend group that was into drugs. And he was so desperate for friends, he figured that must be the thing to do. He started with pot, went on to coke, heroin, meth, etc. (and of course copious amounts of alcohol). I, meanwhile, the little media whore, constantly viewing violence and drug use, went on to college, where I tried pot for the first time at age 20 (didn't like it), graduated, and found gainful employment. Incidentally, my friend did clean up, and is now in the Army (he just finished his first tour in Iraq).

My point with all this is that, as an indicator of violence, drug use, abuse of women, etc., media consumption is one of the absolute worst things to look at. Consumption of violent media has never been proven to correspond to real-world violence. It is impossible to raise your kids in a bubble in this increasingly global society. Better to watch the movies with your kids, but then educate them about why they shouldn't act like what they saw in the movie (children, you shouldn't grab women's butts, because that is sexist, and it sends the message that women aren't as important as men... etc.). If you try to pretend like there is nothing bad in the world, your children's reaction when they discover the darker side is going to be much, much more severe.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: manowar821
Accurate? I think they're too harsh. Let's get rid of the rating system completely and just make parents do their job, and parent.

That's the whole point, the rating system tells parents about the contents of the movie so they are better equipped to do their jobs.

That's just what the MPAA wants you to believe. Kind of like McD's wants you to believe that their food is delicious.

The REAL "whole point" is that any movie, regardless of how much or how little it cost, can be abitrarily made or broken by whatever rating the MPAA chooses to give it. That's an unbelievable amount of power.
 

jjones

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I don't really pay attention to it, even though I'm a parent. My daughter is six and she doesn't like any movies that aren't Disney or Pixar anyway, so it doesn't matter at this point. Even when she gets older and her tastes change, I still don't think I really care. I'm not one to shelter her and I'll probably let her see whatever she wants to see, but her mother may have a different opinion on that subject when the times comes.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: manowar821
Accurate? I think they're too harsh. Let's get rid of the rating system completely and just make parents do their job, and parent.

That's the whole point, the rating system tells parents about the contents of the movie so they are better equipped to do their jobs.

Not really. The rating system is arbitrary.

Not only that, but it's also the system used by the state to decide whether or not a movie is legally obtainable by someone under the age of 18. It's ridiculous. It's nanny state BS.

If I sent my kid out to pick up a movie, he/she should be able to rent an R rated movie. Fuck what the moral majority wants, it's my family, right?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: manowar821
Accurate? I think they're too harsh. Let's get rid of the rating system completely and just make parents do their job, and parent.

That's the whole point, the rating system tells parents about the contents of the movie so they are better equipped to do their jobs.

Except it doesn't. The current rating system is antiquated and useless, especially with the way they're rated by the MPAA. As stated earlier, violence won't get something rated nearly as high as nudity. How does that make sense?

A better system might be one which lists the actual "offenses" of any given movie and let the parents decide what level is appropriate rather than these ridiculous blanket ratings which are the opinions of a group of morons, and have no basis in fact. Facts would be

Fuck: 2
Shit: 13
Female Frontal Nudity: 2 sec
Decapitations by sword: 159

Compare that to

PG-13

And tell me which system is more useful for parents.

:thumbsup:

One of my favorite examples of how screwed up the movie ratings are is that the movies Pulp Fiction and True Lies, both released in 1994, both got R ratings.
And which is worse in regards to content? Most people would say that Pulp Fiction was the more violent, but it only had 8 death scenes (one of which was off-camera) while True Lies had more than 100. Most would say Pulp Fiction was worse regarding societal morals, but the entire premise of True Lies of was a lying husband driving his wife to seriously consider infidelity.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: manowar821
Accurate? I think they're too harsh. Let's get rid of the rating system completely and just make parents do their job, and parent.

That's the whole point, the rating system tells parents about the contents of the movie so they are better equipped to do their jobs.

Not really. The rating system is arbitrary.

Not only that, but it's also the system used by the state to decide whether or not a movie is legally obtainable by someone under the age of 18. It's ridiculous. It's nanny state BS.

If I sent my kid out to pick up a movie, he/she should be able to rent an R rated movie. Fuck what the moral majority wants, it's my family, right?

Wait - what state has laws about who can buy what movies? Other than pornography, which isn't even rated by the MPAA.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: manowar821
Accurate? I think they're too harsh. Let's get rid of the rating system completely and just make parents do their job, and parent.

That's the whole point, the rating system tells parents about the contents of the movie so they are better equipped to do their jobs.

Not really. The rating system is arbitrary.

Not only that, but it's also the system used by the state to decide whether or not a movie is legally obtainable by someone under the age of 18. It's ridiculous. It's nanny state BS.

If I sent my kid out to pick up a movie, he/she should be able to rent an R rated movie. Fuck what the moral majority wants, it's my family, right?

Wait - what state has laws about who can buy what movies? Other than pornography, which isn't even rated by the MPAA.

You mean you've never been to a movie rental place and had them card you or someone you know for looking under 18, while trying to rent an R rated movie? Minnesota, for sure, since I live here. I know that other places do it, too, but only from word of mouth.

This isn't something I looked into intensely, because I thought it was fairly common. Thus, my disgust.

Edit: OH, and movie theaters!
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: manowar821
Accurate? I think they're too harsh. Let's get rid of the rating system completely and just make parents do their job, and parent.

That's the whole point, the rating system tells parents about the contents of the movie so they are better equipped to do their jobs.

That's just what the MPAA wants you to believe. Kind of like McD's wants you to believe that their food is delicious.

The REAL "whole point" is that any movie, regardless of how much or how little it cost, can be abitrarily made or broken by whatever rating the MPAA chooses to give it. That's an unbelievable amount of power.

That wasn't the original intention of the rating system though it has grown into that in many respects. The goal was always to prevent the government from getting involved in censorship of the film industry by self-regulating (even in an arguably lax way). The rating system turned into a marketing tool to be wielded in addition to regulation.

Also, a film does not have to be reviewed for rating by the MPAA. Most indie films aren't and I wouldn't say that unfairly disadvantages them since exhibitors will play unrated films anyway.
 

vi edit

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: manowar821
Accurate? I think they're too harsh. Let's get rid of the rating system completely and just make parents do their job, and parent.

That's the whole point, the rating system tells parents about the contents of the movie so they are better equipped to do their jobs.

Not really. The rating system is arbitrary.

Not only that, but it's also the system used by the state to decide whether or not a movie is legally obtainable by someone under the age of 18. It's ridiculous. It's nanny state BS.

If I sent my kid out to pick up a movie, he/she should be able to rent an R rated movie. Fuck what the moral majority wants, it's my family, right?

Wait - what state has laws about who can buy what movies? Other than pornography, which isn't even rated by the MPAA.

You mean you've never been to a movie rental place and had them card you or someone you know for looking under 18, while trying to rent an R rated movie? Minnesota, for sure, since I live here. I know that other places do it, too, but only from word of mouth.

This isn't something I looked into intensely, because I thought it was fairly common. Thus, my disgust.

Edit: OH, and movie theaters!

I don't think that's a law (at least in most states). It's a decision made by the businesses.

The only law that I've seen on the books concerning limiting sales is the already mentioned porn, and those instruments of evil and corruption known as video games.

I'll gladly retract my statement if somebody can provide links to their states showing that it is indeed on the books.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: manowar821
Accurate? I think they're too harsh. Let's get rid of the rating system completely and just make parents do their job, and parent.

That's the whole point, the rating system tells parents about the contents of the movie so they are better equipped to do their jobs.

Not really. The rating system is arbitrary.

Not only that, but it's also the system used by the state to decide whether or not a movie is legally obtainable by someone under the age of 18. It's ridiculous. It's nanny state BS.

If I sent my kid out to pick up a movie, he/she should be able to rent an R rated movie. Fuck what the moral majority wants, it's my family, right?

Wait - what state has laws about who can buy what movies? Other than pornography, which isn't even rated by the MPAA.

You mean you've never been to a movie rental place and had them card you or someone you know for looking under 18, while trying to rent an R rated movie? Minnesota, for sure, since I live here. I know that other places do it, too, but only from word of mouth.

This isn't something I looked into intensely, because I thought it was fairly common. Thus, my disgust.

Edit: OH, and movie theaters!

Self regulation. We are not legally required to enforce MPAA restrictions.