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Do you care that there are little babies starving in Africa?

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Originally posted by: destrekor
when the people in africa constantly go to war with themselves, there's no hope of time stepping in and letting them better themselves

i'll be upfront about it, i don't necessarily give a hoot about what is happening in africa, they constantly bring it on upon themselves.. aids, don't breed so much, famine, again don't breed so much and there would be enough food to go around, once the famine is gone, they could focus on education and a more civilized life and slowly evolve their nations into non 3rd world nations
egypt did it (in reference to the rest of africa, they are by no means a top country), and south africa is pretty much british so that isn't a good example
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Breed? :disgust:

It's too easy to just use a collective "they" and put the fault on "them." "They" aren't a single entity that can quickly make a unified decision.
 
Originally posted by: Subterranean Homesick Alien
I think it's pathetic that America goes to war to get rid of Saddam as if we are really interested in doing the Iraqi people such a huge favor, but what huge favors are we doing for the African nations? We don't care about Africa because there is no oil there. America only invests its time, money and effort into countries that have promise of economic gain, while making ourselves feel better by claiming a humanitarian agenda. If we were really a humanitarian country we'd help all the nations we could and not just the ones with oil.
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You do realize that nearly all the aid we do give poor African countries just goes to the war lords who profit from it?

BTW-We spend billions of dollars every year helping many many nations around the world.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
aids, don't breed so much, famine, again don't breed so much and there would be enough food to go around
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What if not breeding meant your entire family line would die out?
 
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
I do, but,

I have my own problems to deal with.

Am I lucky to live where I do? Yes.

Do I feel obligated to try to drag the rest of the world up to our standards? Hell no.

Viper GTS
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Fixed to apply to me.
 
I've put in my monthly budget a % for donations to disaster relief organizations.

I really think that it's a temporary fix, though. Until people there are more educated about AIDS, birth control, etc. it'll keep perpetuating.
 
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Nope.

I have my own problems to deal with.

Am I lucky to live where I do? Yes.

Do I feel obligated to try to drag the rest of the world up to our standards? Hell no.

Viper GTS
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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: destrekor
aids, don't breed so much, famine, again don't breed so much and there would be enough food to go around
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What if not breeding meant your entire family line would die out?
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What if breeding meant your entire family line dies out anyway due to starvation?
 
People get all emotional because its people we are talking about. If you look at it from a true scientific approach, we should let them be. They have increased the population past the carrying capacity that the land can support and they are dying off. By giving them food you are just letting the balance get even more out of wack and causing ( not intentionally ) even more people to die. Its a harsh way to look at it but that what happens when people are involved.

If they were animals we would either just let them die of starvation or cull the herd.

<-- Wildlife Biologist
 
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: destrekor
aids, don't breed so much, famine, again don't breed so much and there would be enough food to go around
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What if not breeding meant your entire family line would die out?
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What if breeding meant your entire family line dies out anyway due to starvation?
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then you would take that chance and risk them dying of starvation, I suspect
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: Subterranean Homesick Alien
I think it's pathetic that America goes to war to get rid of Saddam as if we are really interested in doing the Iraqi people such a huge favor, but what huge favors are we doing for the African nations? We don't care about Africa because there is no oil there. America only invests its time, money and effort into countries that have promise of economic gain, while making ourselves feel better by claiming a humanitarian agenda. If we were really a humanitarian country we'd help all the nations we could and not just the ones with oil.
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thats what helping other countries is all about. dont make it all 'america is bad'
cuz guess what, what would be the point of helping a nation that didn't have a benefit for us? absolutely none, so it wont happen
its called helping other nations, as to provide benefits for yourself
we help iraq become stable, their economy grows, we get better trades with them (of which includes oil), and we both prosper

edit, why do you think there was the Live8 concerts and G8 protests? To try to force the big nations to providing aid to africa.. which is wasted money if you ask me, they need to evolve one step more and well, stop doing the things they do.. before we could ever be of benefit
mainly, stop doing all the ethnic cleansing they do, start living in peace, working together, stop breeding, and bettering their lives on their own.. then money could help by providing education materials, not food... they need to breed less and sustain themselves on their own
you dont evolve by being handed cans of food
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We do our fair share already. Stop making it America's problem. It's their own problem. Think of it this way. If you help a kid and give your best efforts to teach him how to do something, but he's just plain slow. You can't blame me in the end. I'm doing more than I'm obligated to do by helping someone out when I don't even have to. Similarly, America has done its fair share, and if you're complaining 24/7, then maybe it's time Africa solve their own problems. Well, we can tell that they can't, so that's why we help them out. If all the problems aren't going away overnight, that's too bad. It's not America's fault.
 
Of course I care. That's a loaded question. But what are these Africans doing to help themselves? Seriously. Because the issue is NOT caused by excessive population. The issue is their flawed political and economic systems. America is not to blame for Africa's problems. Africa's warlords are.
 
Western aid is not the solution for most of Africa: it never worked, and it never will. Why?

At least 50% of the food aid (mostly corn) go to the corrupt bureaucrats as "taxes" and vast majority of them show up on the black market for maybe one cent a kilo, bankrupting local farmers because they simply cannot compete against "free" corn. Less farmers = less food produced locally = more starving babies = more aid. You see where this is getting?

The local bureaucrats don't have incentives to improve the conditions: half of the government jobs depend on foreign aid. If the conditions improve their jobs are gone.

Same thing goes with the UN/charities people and the western governments/farmers.

If you really care about the starving babies, stop donating.
 
Do I care? Sure.

But I am also able to use my head and think logically about the situation, unlike most people that replace logic with emotions. Africa's "starving baby" problem has little to do with our actions in the United States.
 
Do you, OP, care that people in North America are still deeply scarred by that pic you posted of who I presume to have been you kissing another Dude on a couch??
 
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Nope.

I have my own problems to deal with.

Am I lucky to live where I do? Yes.

Do I feel obligated to try to drag the rest of the world up to our standards? Hell no.

Viper GTS
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aye.
 
I give to local charities like United Way that distribute the money accordingly. I doubt any of it ever reaches starving children in faraway countries, but the world is shrinking every day so you never know.

I'm thankful to be as fortunate as I am and leave it at that.
 
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Nope.

I have my own problems to deal with.

Am I lucky to live where I do? Yes.

Do I feel obligated to try to drag the rest of the world up to our standards? Hell no.

Viper GTS
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