Zeeky Boogy Doog
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Yes.
Wasn't sure what you meant by "Religious" though, does that mean go to Church? Or like constantly talk about God?
Wasn't sure what you meant by "Religious" though, does that mean go to Church? Or like constantly talk about God?
Originally posted by: Descartes
PreciselyThis is the position of many agnostics, but there is still another philosophy that simply suggests that such questions have no meaning. Agnosticism still allows for the possibility of its discussion, but those subscribing more to logical positivistic philosophies feel it simply has no meaning.
Hey Descartes, shouldn't you be arguing hyperbolic doubt?
Amused
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Backwards logic.
"intelligent design" is simply putting the cart before the horse. Are we designed to breath air? Or do we breath air because we evolved on a planet with air.
There are many imperfections in space and on earth. The problem is, they do not last long. Those things that fit, last and we see them. Some illogically deduce that these things were "designed" to fit rathar thean seeing that only those things that fit, survive.
nothing is impossible. I have done the craziest thing in this existence and still live to tell about it.
we can nuke the moon too, destroy it to bring world peace. why nuke another nation when it can be put to better use?
we have always existed in one form or another. before you were born, the food that our mother eat is what make us who we are. is it true that matters cannot be destroy, but it always take different form.
if you are raised to believe their is god and have been fed all kinds of propaganda, you will begin to question more and more for proof. this does not apply to me since I wasnt influenced at all, i was free like a bird to seek out the truth and learn the facts on my own.
Yes we all fear death, it's normal. no one want to die and perish forever. the thought of it is scary and its not hard to get anyone to believe anything when you threaten them with their life.
It is very complicated because it's meant to confuse you. IMHO, the world would be a better place and near perfect if we didn't based thing on fantasy, folk tales of 2000 years ago. why base things on the past when the world has changed so much, we have evolved so much. we spend too much time moaning, praying and crying... it's not very healthy.
our minds when overloaded with all this nonsense, we become totally owned like a puppy. you can condition a child to be obedient and good, abuse them and they become bad.
hint: perfection is just wishing thinking, practice makes perfect, use it. no one is born a sin and no is born perfectly, it never existed and probably never will.
our emotion is not something to tinker with, you can't try to feel good when you're stressful and in a bad mood.
Anyone who say they don't fear death is lieing. instinct tells us so.
we can nuke the moon too, destroy it to bring world peace. why nuke another nation when it can be put to better use?
we have always existed in one form or another. before you were born, the food that our mother eat is what make us who we are. is it true that matters cannot be destroy, but it always take different form.
if you are raised to believe their is god and have been fed all kinds of propaganda, you will begin to question more and more for proof. this does not apply to me since I wasnt influenced at all, i was free like a bird to seek out the truth and learn the facts on my own.
Yes we all fear death, it's normal. no one want to die and perish forever. the thought of it is scary and its not hard to get anyone to believe anything when you threaten them with their life.
It is very complicated because it's meant to confuse you. IMHO, the world would be a better place and near perfect if we didn't based thing on fantasy, folk tales of 2000 years ago. why base things on the past when the world has changed so much, we have evolved so much. we spend too much time moaning, praying and crying... it's not very healthy.
our minds when overloaded with all this nonsense, we become totally owned like a puppy. you can condition a child to be obedient and good, abuse them and they become bad.
hint: perfection is just wishing thinking, practice makes perfect, use it. no one is born a sin and no is born perfectly, it never existed and probably never will.
our emotion is not something to tinker with, you can't try to feel good when you're stressful and in a bad mood.
Anyone who say they don't fear death is lieing. instinct tells us so.
OREOSpeedwagon
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Question:
- Would we be here to talk about it if it didn't?
- Given the vast amount of time that has passed and matter that exists, is it not possible that we were that infintesimally small 1 out of 1,00,000...?
It may have been unlikely, but given the number of chances there have been in the universe over the expanse of time, it was bound to happen eventually.
Look, this is something that's not even arguable. The human mind cannot comprehend certain things.
For instance, and this is a big one: How did the universe come into being? And what was there before that? And before that, etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum. The human mind, thinking in linear terms (as in a beginning and an end) is not equipped to ever answer that question. It cannot be answered.
That is to say that there are truths and knowledge that far exceed our capabilities to understand, and to ever understand. Now, call it what you will, but science is not able to come close to explaining this.
The big bang? Come on...there had to be matter, energy, and space before the big bang occured. So, what was it? Where did it come from? Where did it...begin? And what was there before that?
And before that???? How does the universe...expand? Expand into what?
See? These questions are not answerable.
Now, does that prove a GOD? No. But it does prove the limits of our intelligence and ability to think outside what we accept as normal parameters.
I believe in a God, whatever that is. But I have many, many issues with religion. I was baptized a Christian. I tend to view the bible as allegorical; morality plays, if you will. But one HUGE bugaboo I have with Christianity is the line that reads "no one goes to the father but through me" (paraphrasing).
My God would never exclude most of the earth's population, and there's no way I, humble me, could be more compassionate than this Christian God. But, that one line makes me so. And that one line prevents me from embracing that religion.
So, that's me. Science? Sure, it's good for some things. But the be all and end all of question answering?
Hardly, and it never will be.
For instance, and this is a big one: How did the universe come into being? And what was there before that? And before that, etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum. The human mind, thinking in linear terms (as in a beginning and an end) is not equipped to ever answer that question. It cannot be answered.
That is to say that there are truths and knowledge that far exceed our capabilities to understand, and to ever understand. Now, call it what you will, but science is not able to come close to explaining this.
The big bang? Come on...there had to be matter, energy, and space before the big bang occured. So, what was it? Where did it come from? Where did it...begin? And what was there before that?
And before that???? How does the universe...expand? Expand into what?
See? These questions are not answerable.
Now, does that prove a GOD? No. But it does prove the limits of our intelligence and ability to think outside what we accept as normal parameters.
I believe in a God, whatever that is. But I have many, many issues with religion. I was baptized a Christian. I tend to view the bible as allegorical; morality plays, if you will. But one HUGE bugaboo I have with Christianity is the line that reads "no one goes to the father but through me" (paraphrasing).
My God would never exclude most of the earth's population, and there's no way I, humble me, could be more compassionate than this Christian God. But, that one line makes me so. And that one line prevents me from embracing that religion.
So, that's me. Science? Sure, it's good for some things. But the be all and end all of question answering?
Hardly, and it never will be.
So you're preventing yourself from living the Christian life because Christianity says there is only one way to heaven? And because you would allow everybody to go, that somehow makes you more compassionate than God? You're forgetting that God is not only loving and compassionate, but He is also holy and just. He cannot allow sin to go unpunished; it must be dealt with. You can either deal with it by repenting and accepting Jesus Christ as a substitutionary sacrifice for your sins, or you can choose to pay for them yourself by spending an eternity in Hell. I chose the former.
That's not a very good analogy. Car salesman are notorious for being dishonest. The Bible, on the other hand, is the most historically accurate book in existence. Nothing in the Bible has ever been disproven, so what reason do I have not to believe it?
That's the kind of lack of compassion that's so typical of Christians. I never said I would let everybody go.
But you're the type who would deny your Heaven to someone who's lived a very giving and humble life, and yet hasn't professed a belief in Jesus, for whatever reason, including not even knowing of his existence or teachings! That, my friend, is sad, and yes, that does make me more compassionate.
And that begs the question, how could I be more loving than the supreme one? Doesn't quite seem possible, now does it? I hope you think about that one, because it is a major failing of your faith.
Any faith that purports to be "the only truth" is suspect. You must come to grips with that. My God wouldn't say "Believe in me or you'll go to Hell". That's just fear. What kind of being would do that?
I believe in the all-loving God, not the restrictive one that you profess allegiance to. Open your mind.
I would encourage you to read "Conversations with God". The God depicted there is far more like the God I want to believe in rather than the one that some ancient men wrote about.
But you're the type who would deny your Heaven to someone who's lived a very giving and humble life, and yet hasn't professed a belief in Jesus, for whatever reason, including not even knowing of his existence or teachings! That, my friend, is sad, and yes, that does make me more compassionate.
And that begs the question, how could I be more loving than the supreme one? Doesn't quite seem possible, now does it? I hope you think about that one, because it is a major failing of your faith.
Any faith that purports to be "the only truth" is suspect. You must come to grips with that. My God wouldn't say "Believe in me or you'll go to Hell". That's just fear. What kind of being would do that?
I believe in the all-loving God, not the restrictive one that you profess allegiance to. Open your mind.
I would encourage you to read "Conversations with God". The God depicted there is far more like the God I want to believe in rather than the one that some ancient men wrote about.
OREOSpeedwagon
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As of right now I'm agnostic leaning towards the belief that there is no God, esspecially since i'm studying evolution in Bio 102 right now. However, if there is a "God", I think it would be something that we could not fathom as of right now or could imagine of in this life.
I was raised in a fairly religious family, church 1-3 times a week. And believed pretty thorougly till around age 25, am 27 now. I just consider myself agnostic now though, leaning more to the idea that there probably isn't one more so than there is.
And as for the above quote, if I were on my deathbed, I would ask God to take my soul "just in case" there is an afterlife. Not sure if denying his existance most of your life, then giving God a brief aknowledgement of existance in your final moments would justify entrance to a Heaven or not though =)
And just to add, one of the reasons I pulled myself away from religion..... is I had struggles with self-esteem, and things like that. And I found myself always feeling guilty about all sorts of things that are deemed sinning by the Christian faith. And I just saw that as an obstacle in my way of becoming more confident and feeling better about myself. And things just kinda picked up there, thoughts about the whole idea of God, etc.... but those were sort of the beginnings.
grrl
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Don't know, but can't say I don't care. However, if there is a god, I highly doubt he/she/it supports any of the world's major religions and the idea that there is ONE way to live and believe. Only humans could take an idea like religion and f*ck it up so badly.
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