dr150
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An interesting contrast to that:
When Shackleton left with 2 people to that island off the Antarctica for help, he and his colleague independently admited that they felt as if a presence was with them, guiding them, pushing them onwards in the right direction.
Scholars have tried to duplicate what Shakleton did in his rescue attempt and all agree that it is miraculous/extremely amazing that anyone could survive such a harrowing journey.
Cdubneeddeal
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I haven't seen conclusive proof that it exists. I personally think God=Hope. They're one in the same. People just call Hope, God.
I also think that people use religion to help their lives out. I think people need to take charge of their own lives and stop using religion to do it.
I personally have asked "God" to show me a sign that he exists...many times..but to no avail. People tell me that if you look all around you'll see signs of god existing. Really? I just see a bunch of horny people having babies
I also think that people use religion to help their lives out. I think people need to take charge of their own lives and stop using religion to do it.
I personally have asked "God" to show me a sign that he exists...many times..but to no avail. People tell me that if you look all around you'll see signs of god existing. Really? I just see a bunch of horny people having babies
On my deathbed I still won't believe it exists.
You could generalize and say many athiests become believers when times are bad. You could also generalize and say many religious become athiests when times are good (whether they still believe in god or not, they do not practice and put forth very effort in their faith unless there is something bad they want fixed in their life).
What is life? Why am I conscious?
Such questions naturally lead one to a realization of some kind of order to the universe. Whatever or whoever the creator, it is often obvious to me that this all cannot be purely by chance. Even if the universe were of chance, where do the very laws of chance originate?
Such questions naturally lead one to a realization of some kind of order to the universe. Whatever or whoever the creator, it is often obvious to me that this all cannot be purely by chance. Even if the universe were of chance, where do the very laws of chance originate?
Originally posted by: BroeBo
nope. I do like to believe that there is something after death but I'm sorry to say that we probably just rot in the ground like everything else. We think just because we are smarter(ok so maybe not everyone
Sorry people. We die and become fertilizer for the the plants to feed the rest of the world. Or burnt down to ashes and become a nice center peice on a mantle.
Also note my sig.
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen Roberts
I don't aim to flame, but your signature doesn't quite nail my argument: I believe that the universe had an origin with a singular consciousness (or, in the case of polytheism, multiple minds). I do not discredit the existence of other gods for reasons you may believe. The universe was made because it exists, and therefore it had a maker. That maker is neither living nor dead, neither vegetable, animal, nor mineral.
but oh well. People will believe what they will, and it's not my place to evanglize over a discussion forum.
Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
I haven't seen conclusive proof that it exists. I personally think God=Hope. They're one in the same. People just call Hope, God.
I also think that people use religion to help their lives out. I think people need to take charge of their own lives and stop using religion to do it.
I personally have asked "God" to show me a sign that he exists...many times..but to no avail. People tell me that if you look all around you'll see signs of god existing. Really? I just see a bunch of horny people having babies
God is not an idea to be controlled. The very fact that we have a word "God" that refers to the ultimate origin of reality itself implies that it is a concept that is univeral enough to be used in daily language. What if God doesn't want to bow to your wishes of being seen? You cannot prove with certainty the non-existence of anything. Arthur C. Clarke said this himself, referring to things other than God.
I see signs of God's existence by the very fact that I'm here with a consciousness. To me, the evidence for God lies in what can't be seen or concretely understood: the world of ideas.
And where do the very laws of god originate? Ah the burning question so often overlooked
. You can justify a universe by creating an all powerful character, but no need trying to justify an all powerful character.
dr150
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BTW, that so-called tunnel/white light/hovering phenomenon that people undergo when having a "naer-death" experience has been replicated in a lab.
They replicate the dying process of the brain by stimulate that part of the brain which create these sensations. That naer death scenario is really just a neuro-chemical process.
............What's intriguing to me is the reverse hypnosis of regressing you to a "previous life". If you believe the stories (I'm ambivalent), such candidates have been able to backtrace where they used to live and find objects they hid in wars for instance, where they had to excavate to find it. That's pretty compelling to me if it's true and not some David Copperfield trick/hoax.
They replicate the dying process of the brain by stimulate that part of the brain which create these sensations. That naer death scenario is really just a neuro-chemical process.
............What's intriguing to me is the reverse hypnosis of regressing you to a "previous life". If you believe the stories (I'm ambivalent), such candidates have been able to backtrace where they used to live and find objects they hid in wars for instance, where they had to excavate to find it. That's pretty compelling to me if it's true and not some David Copperfield trick/hoax.
Agnosticism is congruous with the "don't know" part, but hardly the "don't care" part. One shouldn't confuse agnosticism with intellectual apathy; rather, it's the complete opposite.
there is a God, and he's pretty pissed at all of you for celebrating his son's birthday on the WRONG F'N DAY!
No, I don't need to believe in any supreme beings.
I'm not a member of the target audience of religion.
I'm not a member of the target audience of religion.
Amused
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The only valid answer in your poll is "don't know, don't care."
But it's still somewhat invalid. I don't know, but I do somewhat care.
I have seen no conclusive proof of the existence of any god or gods. Nor has anyone been able to prove there are NO god or gods.
Therefore, the only logical answer and only tenable position to take on the subject is: I do not know.
But it's still somewhat invalid. I don't know, but I do somewhat care.
I have seen no conclusive proof of the existence of any god or gods. Nor has anyone been able to prove there are NO god or gods.
Therefore, the only logical answer and only tenable position to take on the subject is: I do not know.
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