neegotiator
Golden Member
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Do you believe there is a god/divine being/lifeforce?
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CrackRabbit
Lifer
Beer and Marshmallows are not a good combination. 😛
thraashman
Lifer
I believe that Gaia gave 5 power rings to 5 special youngsters.
Kwami from Africa with the power of Earth
Gi from Asia with the power of Water
Wheeler from North America with the power of Fire.
Linka from Russia with the power of Wind
Ma-Ti from South America with the power of Heart.
And when they let their powers combine, whew buddy, some dude with a mullet comes in and there's the weirdest orgy you'll ever see.
Edit: Dangit, I got beaten by one minute!
BatmanNate
Lifer
I suppose so. Men like Einstein, Hawking, Newton, Gallileo, and many other scientists with a far superior understanding of the universe than myself have admitted to the possibility if not probability of God. If there is a force so advanced and superior that we don't really fathom it or many of its intricacies and operating methods, I suppose God is as good a name for it as any other. The two are really one and the same as far as it affects me. This doesn't encourage me to seek a religion or give up trying to understand the universe, but to deny the possibility of something that I can't even understand on a meaningful level would be silly, particularly in the face of overwhelming evidence that many forces at work dwarf not just my capability to understand, but all of humankind's.
(And OP, your title should read "divine," not "devine")
(And OP, your title should read "divine," not "devine")
That may be, but from my experience, 99% of all Christians and other religious people I have met were taught their religion as fact. They were deliberately told that their religion is 100% true with no other possible way for the world to work. This is an incorrect way to do it.
Religion is a faith, and should be taught as a faith, not as an indisputable fact.
I do not believe in something just because someone else says it exists.
Religious people normally tell us athiests to prove that god(or gods) does not exist, while athiests tell religious people to prove that he does.
I would like to hear what some religious people have to say about this: I am Jesus Christ. Prove that I am not.
thraashman
Lifer
ding ding ding ding ding We have a winner!!! Finally I see someone else in the world who understands the right way to do it!
BatmanNate
Lifer
Just a thought, but if you had faith it something that you didn't believe to be an indisputable fact, wouldn't that be merely a hypothesis? Faith and doubt are opposites (thought in my view it is necessary to experience doubt prior to faith in anything) and why would a person have faith in something they did not believe to be entirely true? For that matter, if religious people in general, as the other poster implied, are so easily swayed, why don't they change their beliefs more frequently?
thraashman
Lifer
You're trying to trick me into giving something away. It won't work.
BatmanNate
Lifer
It wasn't really directed at you, traashman. Your beliefs are your own business. His noodly appendage works in mysterious ways.
The beliefs are not necessarily swayed easily. It has been shown that a lie(not that religion is a lie) told enough times will become accepted as true. The people who are religious know nothing other than that religion. They were told of God and Jesus(or whatever the particular religion in question) and were never given an option. I doubt anyone could find any Christian who was asked which religion(if any) he would like to follow. He was most likely forcefed Christian information throughout his life. This leads him to have a rock solid belief that is open to no other opinions other than those in agreement with him.
I believe that there is no god. However, this does not force my mind to be absolute. I am open to believing otherwise. If someone shows me some hard evidence that suggests that a god exists, my views will change entirely. This is also a key difference between me and most religous people. If evidence, or lack thereof, shows something contradictory to what I think or believe, I will look into it. For religious people, there is no evidence that suggests that their beliefs are true. Despite this, they continue to state as fact that what they say is fact.
Sure, given the intricate beauty, symbiosis, coexistence and disparate species, I for one cannot believe its all up to chance for evolution to simultaneously work such wonders. Evidence is all around, let him who hath eyes see, and ears hear..."even the rocks will cry my name".
And evidence of evolution is missing a HUGE link, nor does it explain origin of original space/matter or time/energy that supposedly randomly clumped up and started growing. Entropy describers the opposite: matter tends to disseminate to its most chaotic random state, rather than conglomerating speciously and then starting to form a new life form.
Another question: if scriptures were all fairy tales, why is there such a thorough and negative discrediting of it? It is the most reviled, castigated written work in all recorded human history, yet remains the number one best seller ever. How many millions have died just for reading it or disseminating portions of it? As a book, it al;so has carried the most negative sanctions for itself and possesion, yet still it persists. makes no sense...unless "where there's smoke, there's fire". I believe it does contain Gods truth, and also believe too many do not "rightly divide the pages" to determine the truth for themselves, choosing rather like sheep (or lemmings) to ascribe to the popular interpretations, and not comparing scripture to scripture, verse to verse, accross all 66 boooks, to interpret itsel. it doesnt need any science to qualify it, or any other external source to understand it. But modern prtotestantism tends to do the cafetaria religion, and pick and choose, emphasize or discredit chosen portions.
Any 66-bookcompilation of literature written over a 2500+ yr period by so many authors that posseses poetic, literary, genetic, natural and human history, politics, genetics, prophecy, nutrition, health and medicine, and yet is coherent, has been 100% accurate, having a common theme threading through out, seems to demand some divine inspiration. Doesnt it/
There are certain faith communities that DO teach all of the choices: we were exposed to buddhism, islam, judaism, catholicism, and many other teachings throughout our school years into college. Are we not hearkened to (attributed to isaiah) in gods words: "come' let us reason together". And also given free moral agency, to choose. Any faith that usurps human choice is certainly blasphemic, as not even God chooses for us....it is up to the individual to determine each his articles of faith.
And evidence of evolution is missing a HUGE link, nor does it explain origin of original space/matter or time/energy that supposedly randomly clumped up and started growing. Entropy describers the opposite: matter tends to disseminate to its most chaotic random state, rather than conglomerating speciously and then starting to form a new life form.
Another question: if scriptures were all fairy tales, why is there such a thorough and negative discrediting of it? It is the most reviled, castigated written work in all recorded human history, yet remains the number one best seller ever. How many millions have died just for reading it or disseminating portions of it? As a book, it al;so has carried the most negative sanctions for itself and possesion, yet still it persists. makes no sense...unless "where there's smoke, there's fire". I believe it does contain Gods truth, and also believe too many do not "rightly divide the pages" to determine the truth for themselves, choosing rather like sheep (or lemmings) to ascribe to the popular interpretations, and not comparing scripture to scripture, verse to verse, accross all 66 boooks, to interpret itsel. it doesnt need any science to qualify it, or any other external source to understand it. But modern prtotestantism tends to do the cafetaria religion, and pick and choose, emphasize or discredit chosen portions.
Any 66-bookcompilation of literature written over a 2500+ yr period by so many authors that posseses poetic, literary, genetic, natural and human history, politics, genetics, prophecy, nutrition, health and medicine, and yet is coherent, has been 100% accurate, having a common theme threading through out, seems to demand some divine inspiration. Doesnt it/
There are certain faith communities that DO teach all of the choices: we were exposed to buddhism, islam, judaism, catholicism, and many other teachings throughout our school years into college. Are we not hearkened to (attributed to isaiah) in gods words: "come' let us reason together". And also given free moral agency, to choose. Any faith that usurps human choice is certainly blasphemic, as not even God chooses for us....it is up to the individual to determine each his articles of faith.
Question: If God exists, then explain why anyone who comes out and says "God told me to ************" is instantly considered crazy or making it up? One lady a few months ago drowned both of her kids and stated that God told her to do it. If it is the work of God, what right does our Government have to arrest her?
Also, for one to describe the Earth as wonderful, they must only be aware of the Earth and only the Earth. Perhaps things like the Earth are commonplace throughout the universe, only we do not have the technology to see them yet. Perhaps there is nothing wonderful about the Earth.
Perhaps there is a god, perhaps not. It is possible that god created everything as it is, just the way you see it. It is also possible that there is a perfectly reasonable explanation waiting to be figured out.
Also, for one to describe the Earth as wonderful, they must only be aware of the Earth and only the Earth. Perhaps things like the Earth are commonplace throughout the universe, only we do not have the technology to see them yet. Perhaps there is nothing wonderful about the Earth.
Perhaps there is a god, perhaps not. It is possible that god created everything as it is, just the way you see it. It is also possible that there is a perfectly reasonable explanation waiting to be figured out.
scottish144
Banned
QFT. My main issue with religion is that most religions are corruptable in some way or other. A good example of this is the Jihadists that currently inflame the middle east. They are terrorists, and nothing more. Yet the Muslum religion has been perverted to fit their goals. It gives them fanaticism, and strict universal muslum doctrine binds them to that fanaticism. Without religion, they would be without such a cause. There would be no belief of heaven or hell, screwing that whole "you will die and get 7 virgins in heaven for blowing up western kids" crap. Overall, the muslum religion is too closely tied to government to govern effectivly as an Islamic state.
Christianity was like this once, but it reached its enlightenment and, although it took a while, evolved into the propserous religion it currently is. Islam has yet to reach this enlightenment, and defies everything to do with democracy as we know it.
Edit: For the record, I believe that there is no god, but if I am shown concrete proof that there is one, I will believe.
Now for some OT: In my view, all Islamic states are clones of Czarist Russia. And guess what happend to Czarist russia once enlightenment reached it? Rebellion. That is why the Arabic dictators are so scared of the US presence in Iraq. Once democracy solidifies, it will spread, they will be without their power, and the world will be a better place. THAT is why we should see it to the end in Iraq.
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