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Do you believe that sooner or later a terrorist will detonate a nuke in the U.S.?

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Originally posted by: RedCOMET
Originally posted by: K1052
Possible, but rather unlikely.

Any country that is caught providing materials or an actual weapon would quickly find themselves in a very uncomfortable situation (to put it mildly). Since the US can vaporize the major cities of hostile nation in about 30 minutes, even our most unfriedly nations would not take the risk.

Yepers :thumbsup: Its amazing how many warheads a single sub can carry and deliver to specified targets. If i remember my discovery channel shows correctly, some subs can carry enough warheads to destroy 190 cities. But i'm sure the number has decreased since the cold war ended.

True but would the US risk MAD over a couple cities nuked by terrorist if it was China or Russia supplying the material/ knowledge?
 
Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
Originally posted by: RedCOMET
Originally posted by: K1052
Possible, but rather unlikely.

Any country that is caught providing materials or an actual weapon would quickly find themselves in a very uncomfortable situation (to put it mildly). Since the US can vaporize the major cities of hostile nation in about 30 minutes, even our most unfriedly nations would not take the risk.

Yepers :thumbsup: Its amazing how many warheads a single sub can carry and deliver to specified targets. If i remember my discovery channel shows correctly, some subs can carry enough warheads to destroy 190 cities. But i'm sure the number has decreased since the cold war ended.

True but would the US risk MAD over a couple cities nuked by terrorist if it was China or Russia supplying the material/ knowledge?

The question then becomes: Where do you draw the line?
 
Originally posted by: Yossarian
cleveland = we let it slide
boston = ww3

Hmmm....maybe we could convince them somewhere really crappy would make a good target.

Gary, IN already looks like a nuke hit it so why not there?
 
True but would the US risk MAD over a couple cities nuked by terrorist if it was China or Russia supplying the material/ knowledge?

The question then becomes: Where do you draw the line?
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I would think it would be at more than one. So a terrorist only needs to detonate one but have maybe two more in country to use as bargaining chips for their cause.

The supplying country would say it was a hole in there seurity, apologize, and say they believe enough material was taken for 3-4 bombs.

If I were China or Russia I would supply the material or "steal" it from myself.
 
Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
True but would the US risk MAD over a couple cities nuked by terrorist if it was China or Russia supplying the material/ knowledge?

The question then becomes: Where do you draw the line?
I would think it would be at more than one. So a terrorist only needs to detonate one but have maybe two more in country to use as bargaining chips for their cause.

The supplying country would say it was a hole in there seurity, apologize, and say they believe enough material was taken for 3-4 bombs.

If I were China or Russia I would supply the material or "steal" it from myself.
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I highly doubt the US would accept such an explanation when we are -1 major city and a few million citizens, especially if they have any evidence to the contrary. That would make anyone's trigger finger itchy and that is a VERY risky thing to chance.

I doubt the US would give in to the demands anyway. We would likely make a counter threat to attack whatever the particular terrorists hold most dear if the weapons aren?t given up immediately.
 
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
True but would the US risk MAD over a couple cities nuked by terrorist if it was China or Russia supplying the material/ knowledge?

The question then becomes: Where do you draw the line?
I would think it would be at more than one. So a terrorist only needs to detonate one but have maybe two more in country to use as bargaining chips for their cause.

The supplying country would say it was a hole in there seurity, apologize, and say they believe enough material was taken for 3-4 bombs.

If I were China or Russia I would supply the material or "steal" it from myself.

I highly doubt the US would accept such an explanation when we are -1 major city and a few million citizens, especially if they have any evidence to the contrary. That would make anyone's trigger finger itchy and that is a VERY risky thing to chance.

I doubt the US would give in to the demands anyway. We would likely make a counter threat to attack whatever the particular terrorists hold most dear if the weapons aren?t given up immediately.[/quote]

Who cares if they accept the explanation. It would be out as an explanation and that is all that is needed.

Itchy trigger finger? It isn't a hard choice. Accept that you are -1 city with the possibility of 3 more or guarantee the destruction of 2500+ places.

Not give in to demands? The American people would go nuts. Not to mention the world community if you threatened to destroy something just because of a few rogue people.
 
It's not hard to build a nuke. I could probably do it myself. It's getting the stuff that's hard, and with all the missing nukes out there...
 
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Yossarian
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: RedCOMET
Originally posted by: K1052
Possible, but rather unlikely.

Any country that is caught providing materials or an actual weapon would quickly find themselves in a very uncomfortable situation (to put it mildly). Since the US can vaporize the major cities of hostile nation in about 30 minutes, even our most unfriedly nations would not take the risk.

Yepers :thumbsup: Its amazing how many warheads a single sub can carry and deliver to specified targets. If i remember my discovery channel shows correctly, some subs can carry enough warheads to destroy 190 cities. But i'm sure the number has decreased since the cold war ended.

Each Trident D-5 missile can carry 8 warheads in either 100kt or 375(?)kt flavors. With 24 missiles per sub the Ohios can carry 192 warheads.

There are also the land based Minuteman III missles and I think we still have some Peacekeepers around.

can the warheads be targeted independently? if so that's pretty impressive.

Yes.

That's good old american engineering for you. But how many ohio class subs are out there? Subs are great becuase they run silent and deep. But i guess the real question is, are there 192 cities worth destroying that are not all in Russia?

Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Yossarian
cleveland = we let it slide
boston = ww3

Hmmm....maybe we could convince them somewhere really crappy would make a good target.

Gary, IN already looks like a nuke hit it so why not there?

how about springfeild, IL??? Specificly Evergreen Terrace.



 
I have no frickin idea, but sooner or later means till the end of time as it's worded.

As far as retaliation goes...

Scenario.

A nice sunny day and BOOM! There goes most of (insert city).


What do you dust for prints? If a person or group or country kept quiet, who do we fire back at? Now that would cause fear. A sudden strike, and no one to blame. Americans would go nuts.
We would have to manufacture an enemy, and attack him to make us feel safer. THere is recent precident for this.
 
Originally posted by: RedCOMET
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Yossarian
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: RedCOMET
Originally posted by: K1052
Possible, but rather unlikely.

Any country that is caught providing materials or an actual weapon would quickly find themselves in a very uncomfortable situation (to put it mildly). Since the US can vaporize the major cities of hostile nation in about 30 minutes, even our most unfriedly nations would not take the risk.

Yepers :thumbsup: Its amazing how many warheads a single sub can carry and deliver to specified targets. If i remember my discovery channel shows correctly, some subs can carry enough warheads to destroy 190 cities. But i'm sure the number has decreased since the cold war ended.

Each Trident D-5 missile can carry 8 warheads in either 100kt or 375(?)kt flavors. With 24 missiles per sub the Ohios can carry 192 warheads.

There are also the land based Minuteman III missles and I think we still have some Peacekeepers around.

can the warheads be targeted independently? if so that's pretty impressive.

Yes.

That's good old american engineering for you. But how many ohio class subs are out there? Subs are great becuase they run silent and deep. But i guess the real question is, are there 192 cities worth destroying that are not all in Russia?

Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Yossarian
cleveland = we let it slide
boston = ww3

Hmmm....maybe we could convince them somewhere really crappy would make a good target.

Gary, IN already looks like a nuke hit it so why not there?

how about springfeild, IL??? Specificly Evergreen Terrace.

LOL!
Did you know I'm from Springfield?


 
Originally posted by: K1052
LOL!
Did you know I'm from Springfield?
No, sorry, I was really thinking of a Simpson ep, where bart and milhouse found the comic book mans hidden stash of tapes. One was from the war dept, and they would test their missles on Springfield.


Other than Springfield, whats a good city to target... i mean "testsite?"
 
And given the situation, I bet you guys would want 'Bond James Bond' to save the day.

No way, I'll take Bauer. When it comes down to it, you don't want some martini drunk stopping the bad guys.

Do I sound bitter? Well see this.

Idiots. I still can't believe that.




KeyserSoze
 
Yes, unless they are too slow getting them and by the time they do the US is no longer a big world player, and just another country on the planet, no more special than india, china, etc. I'm comfy knowing it won't be Birmingham, and in fact I would not live in a large city like New York because it, Chicago, etc. will inevitably be the target of a major terrorist attack like a nuke/chemical attack, before a sprawling smaller city.
 
Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Originally posted by: isekii
It happend in the Mojavi desert in 24 😉 season 2

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for George Mason

:beer: for George. A good man. A damn good man.
 
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