And if your kid ends up getting shot by some idiot, that is perfect too?
You can teach your kids that the world is one great perfect wonder, but sooner or later, you will have to unlock the door...
And if your kid ends up getting shot by some idiot, that is perfect too?
You can teach your kids that the world is one great perfect wonder, but sooner or later, you will have to unlock the door...
You know... that stuff you are smoking is killing your braincells... not saying this because you could benifit from it, you are too wasted as it is... but others might understand this warning...
No change that I can detect, Mani. Science becomes a religion when you use it in areas that it doesn't belong. In my religious opinion, science can tell us nothing about whether there is a God. God can't be proved or disproved. God is not an object that can be put to scientific scrutiny. One might, however, study the religious mind. At any rate science is based on faith in the consistence of certain phenomena. Things fall. Everybody says the same thing. Looking closely they fall according to some rules. We have faith that the same thing happens when we are asleep, tomorrow, at some distant point we can not see in the universe. We have faith that math works everywhere. But we don't know these things. When we see a set of deer tracks we assume a deer made them. We assume that the instrumentality called our brain which is locked away from the real world by bone and flesh is actually experiencing a real phenomena out there when we are awake, but we can't be sure it's not a dream. We have faith. That's all. When we study the Earth Bible and compare it to the Christian Bible we have to make a religious choice. Is this gigantic Bible we call the universe and the Genesis it tells us when we study it, the Truth, or is this written Word which says something, when you get really, really picky, the Truth. You look around and you see that when people come to this choice, nobody but people of a certain pre commitment have any problem with this. Evolution is how old now as a theory. The people who resisted it from the beginning prejudiced their kids against it and they their kids and a big movement of denial has grown up around fundamentalist Christian Churches. That's the only place where you find silliness like Creationism cropping up as a substitute reality. But the fact of evolution, the undeniable religious persuasive power of the Bible Earth is overwhelming to open minded people who haven't this fundamentalist axe to grind. It is still a religious choice, and the religious truth of evolution does not disprove the existence of God. It may only disprove some false claims that some believers make about Him.
The thing I object to, Mani, is that when people decide that people who believe in Creationism are wackos they automatically include the existence of God in with it. To my mind that's too bad because I think that the core teaching of Christianity is fundamentally sound and of tremendous value to so many people's lives. Faith is a beautiful thing because to have faith in God is to have faith in the beauty He lights up within. To turn your back on religion is often to turn your back on the search for that light. Alternately, to be religious and to attach yourself to the articles of faith and not to be transformed, lit up, by them, to become a fanatic, to use religion as a instrument of for the justification of violence and war is an all too common occurrence. Too, some light up on paths other than religious. In everything, people are superficial.
The thing I object to, Mani, is that when people decide that people who believe in Creationism are wackos they automatically include the existence of God in with it. To my mind that's too bad because I think that the core teaching of Christianity is fundamentally sound and of tremendous value to so many people's lives. Faith is a beautiful thing because to have faith in God is to have faith in the beauty He lights up within. To turn your back on religion is often to turn your back on the search for that light. Alternately, to be religious and to attach yourself to the articles of faith and not to be transformed, lit up, by them, to become a fanatic, to use religion as a instrument of for the justification of violence and war is an all too common occurrence. Too, some light up on paths other than religious. In everything, people are superficial.
"And if your kid ends up getting shot by some idiot, that is perfect too?"
It is Written......"no weapon formed against you can succeed"
My children are protected by that Word.
I am Protection.
It is Written......"no weapon formed against you can succeed"
My children are protected by that Word.
I am Protection.
Let me just start out by saying that there are a lot of people here who base their opinions and observations on people with ?extreme? views. Let me define terms. By extreme, I don?t mean lunatics or crazy or anything, I just mean they take a view which is as far away from another view as possible. Such as an evolutionist who denies a deity or a creationist who denies evolution.
Let me explain my views. I don?t know how many Christians worldwide believe about this, but I can say for myself that for me my views make sense. I will try to be specific, and I will hang around to try to answer questions. I am an electrical engineer by trade and therefore am a firm believer in logic and the scientific process. I am also a Christian who is positive of the existence of God based on having a personal relationship with God. I know that this last sentence will be a sticking point with some of you, but suffice to say, I can?t prove to you that I have a personal relationship with God unless you are open to the possibility that God exists. Also because it is personal. I even can?t really prove it to my wife. She tells me she has a personal relationship too, but can she prove it to me? No.
I believe in evolution, both Macro and micro. There are many reasons for this, but let me start with the creation story. It is clear to me that he Genesis story is not a scientific, play by play account. It is not to be taken literally. My reasons for this are simple. The account says God created light before he created the sun, moon and stars. How is this possible? From my logical scientific background, I don?t see how this is possible. There are other things that don?t make sense, such as who did Adam and Eve?s children marry? Sisters? That strikes me as strange, but it is by no means impossible. But Cain (the proverbial first child of A+E) was sent away. There must have been some mate wherever ?away? was for Cain to join up with. Also the existence of Native Americans, Mayans and other races indicates to me that A+E were not the ?first? humans. I understand to Christians out there who believe in a literal translation that there are tons of ?explanations? you can come up with to explain these examples, but in my mind, they are sufficient evidence that the creation account is a story designed to lead people to God.
Secondly, let me define what I mean by evolution. I believe that God created everything, but I believe he used an evolutionary-like process. None of the information in this paragraph comes from the Bible, but from natural evidence. Christians might identify this as information from God given through General Revelation, a term which describes God revealing himself to humans through nature. I believe that Carbon dating is a relatively accurate process to determine dates. I believe dinosaurs existed when scientists say they did. I think the idea that God ?planted? the bones to weed out unbelievers a bit far-fetched. If this is true, how do you explain the light coming from stars millions of light-years away that are appearing now if the universe is only 6000 years old? I?ve heard some say God ?planted? the light particles 6000 years from earth, and therefore they only took 6000 years to get here, but come on, it sounds like you are inventing stories. You believe that God created the earth, and I assume you believe that he created natural laws, such as law of gravity and conservation of energy and all that, but now God is going out of his way to bypass his laws just to fool us? Now I suppose it could be true, as with God all things are possible, but it just seems to me literal creationists are creating explanations to match the evidence, rather than searching for evidence to prove their hypothesis (i.e. scientific method).
Thirdly, let me explain why I don?t believe that the evolution process could happen or did happen independently of God. Take cells for example. A cell needs both RNA and DNA to reproduce. Also, a cell can?t replicate a DNA strand without an RNA strand. Conversely, a cell can?t replicate a RNA strand without a DNA strand. How then did it come to be that assuming you have a bunch of nutrient-rich ?goo? and other environmental conditions, how unlikely would it be that somehow amino acids linked together in a double helix formation to create a genetic code? It strikes me as incredibly unlikely, far more unlikely than the possibility that God is trying to weed out the unbelievers by planting dinosaur bones and light particles. I believe God put together the amino acids in an intelligent design, then stood back and watched things progress along the paths of HIS natural laws. It makes sense to me. And every so often God would step in and nudge ?something? so that you get a bird here, a flower here. This is a simplistic summary, but in my opinion, the world is so incredible, so beautiful, I find it an incredible stretch of faith (yes, that is what evolutionists are doing, the rest is just semantics) to have not had an intelligent creator/designer. I have heard an analogy about a watch. No one around today looks at a watch and says, hey, it appeared/evolved! No, everyone knows that it was designed. It is also a humbling experience for me, as a designer to be following in the footsteps of my Lord. But I guess God wears a lot of hats. Engineer, father, comforter, ruler, disciplinarian, etc.
I understand that some will find errors in my explanation, but it is my hope that you will perhaps learn something of another perspective, or perhaps better understand your own perspective. It is my opinion that there is nothing worse for religion, no matter which one, than a person professing to be a part of said religion but neglecting to give adequate reason for why you are a part of that religion. I believe this is why the Bible is so strict about ?luke-warm? Christians.
I grew up in a Christian house. I went to Christian schools my whole life, up to and including college. Was I sheltered? Probably. Did I struggle with the Genesis view of creation? Definitely.
Let me explain my views. I don?t know how many Christians worldwide believe about this, but I can say for myself that for me my views make sense. I will try to be specific, and I will hang around to try to answer questions. I am an electrical engineer by trade and therefore am a firm believer in logic and the scientific process. I am also a Christian who is positive of the existence of God based on having a personal relationship with God. I know that this last sentence will be a sticking point with some of you, but suffice to say, I can?t prove to you that I have a personal relationship with God unless you are open to the possibility that God exists. Also because it is personal. I even can?t really prove it to my wife. She tells me she has a personal relationship too, but can she prove it to me? No.
I believe in evolution, both Macro and micro. There are many reasons for this, but let me start with the creation story. It is clear to me that he Genesis story is not a scientific, play by play account. It is not to be taken literally. My reasons for this are simple. The account says God created light before he created the sun, moon and stars. How is this possible? From my logical scientific background, I don?t see how this is possible. There are other things that don?t make sense, such as who did Adam and Eve?s children marry? Sisters? That strikes me as strange, but it is by no means impossible. But Cain (the proverbial first child of A+E) was sent away. There must have been some mate wherever ?away? was for Cain to join up with. Also the existence of Native Americans, Mayans and other races indicates to me that A+E were not the ?first? humans. I understand to Christians out there who believe in a literal translation that there are tons of ?explanations? you can come up with to explain these examples, but in my mind, they are sufficient evidence that the creation account is a story designed to lead people to God.
Secondly, let me define what I mean by evolution. I believe that God created everything, but I believe he used an evolutionary-like process. None of the information in this paragraph comes from the Bible, but from natural evidence. Christians might identify this as information from God given through General Revelation, a term which describes God revealing himself to humans through nature. I believe that Carbon dating is a relatively accurate process to determine dates. I believe dinosaurs existed when scientists say they did. I think the idea that God ?planted? the bones to weed out unbelievers a bit far-fetched. If this is true, how do you explain the light coming from stars millions of light-years away that are appearing now if the universe is only 6000 years old? I?ve heard some say God ?planted? the light particles 6000 years from earth, and therefore they only took 6000 years to get here, but come on, it sounds like you are inventing stories. You believe that God created the earth, and I assume you believe that he created natural laws, such as law of gravity and conservation of energy and all that, but now God is going out of his way to bypass his laws just to fool us? Now I suppose it could be true, as with God all things are possible, but it just seems to me literal creationists are creating explanations to match the evidence, rather than searching for evidence to prove their hypothesis (i.e. scientific method).
Thirdly, let me explain why I don?t believe that the evolution process could happen or did happen independently of God. Take cells for example. A cell needs both RNA and DNA to reproduce. Also, a cell can?t replicate a DNA strand without an RNA strand. Conversely, a cell can?t replicate a RNA strand without a DNA strand. How then did it come to be that assuming you have a bunch of nutrient-rich ?goo? and other environmental conditions, how unlikely would it be that somehow amino acids linked together in a double helix formation to create a genetic code? It strikes me as incredibly unlikely, far more unlikely than the possibility that God is trying to weed out the unbelievers by planting dinosaur bones and light particles. I believe God put together the amino acids in an intelligent design, then stood back and watched things progress along the paths of HIS natural laws. It makes sense to me. And every so often God would step in and nudge ?something? so that you get a bird here, a flower here. This is a simplistic summary, but in my opinion, the world is so incredible, so beautiful, I find it an incredible stretch of faith (yes, that is what evolutionists are doing, the rest is just semantics) to have not had an intelligent creator/designer. I have heard an analogy about a watch. No one around today looks at a watch and says, hey, it appeared/evolved! No, everyone knows that it was designed. It is also a humbling experience for me, as a designer to be following in the footsteps of my Lord. But I guess God wears a lot of hats. Engineer, father, comforter, ruler, disciplinarian, etc.
I understand that some will find errors in my explanation, but it is my hope that you will perhaps learn something of another perspective, or perhaps better understand your own perspective. It is my opinion that there is nothing worse for religion, no matter which one, than a person professing to be a part of said religion but neglecting to give adequate reason for why you are a part of that religion. I believe this is why the Bible is so strict about ?luke-warm? Christians.
I grew up in a Christian house. I went to Christian schools my whole life, up to and including college. Was I sheltered? Probably. Did I struggle with the Genesis view of creation? Definitely.
Well for sure the universe was filled with light before it was even cool enough for matter coalesse.
From going to heaven, maybe, but if someone breaks into your home and plants a grenade in your mouth, you're pretty much screwed.
HAHA
So true. I dunno numbers, but way too many Christians think that just because they're Christian, they're invincible.<The Matrix>
Dodge this...
</The Matrix>
" but way too many Christians think that just because they're Christian, they're invincible." -- ffmcobalt
Not enough Christians know they are invincible.
I am Invincible.
Not enough Christians know they are invincible.
I am Invincible.
IIRC during the Renaissance, the CHURCH put Galileo and others in prison for saying the earth was round and orbited the sun. I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
" IIRC during the Renaissance, the CHURCH put Galileo and others in prison for saying the earth was round and orbited the sun."
The "CHURCH" that you speak of run by some very smart people.
I am Wisdom.
The "CHURCH" that you speak of run by some very smart people.
I am Wisdom.
Then i suggest you try to blow yourself up, if you succeed... good riddance... if you don't, try again...
So... you think they did the right thing by throwing him in prison for his scientifically provable opinion?
All righty then.
nik
Hey... put two ants together in a box with nothing else to do and one is bound to kill the other
nik
"You aren't invincible. Shoot yourself in the heart. Lets see how invincible you are "
Could I create a rock so big I could not lift it?
I am Honorable.
"Could I create a rock so big I could not lift it?
I am Honorable.
Originally posted by: MrPALCO
"You aren't invincible. Shoot yourself in the heart. Lets see how invincible you are
Could I create a rock so big I could not lift it?
I am Honorable.
The only thing you could create is confusion.
I am t3h funN4y.
Originally posted by: MrPALCO
"You aren't invincible. Shoot yourself in the heart. Lets see how invincible you are
Could I create a rock so big I could not lift it?
I am Honorable.
You put yourself in ahead of god, for that, you will surely burn in hell...
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