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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
People in here don't realize how much more efficient and CHEAPER the government is in comparison to private contractors who charge TRIPLE to do the same job. Some of the retirees were replaced by contractors and we have to pay them over $100 hour plus they get to work in the same office and use our phones and supplies. This is nothing more than a kickback from people who are at the top and are friends with the contractors. Smaller government=kick back to private firms.
Originally posted by: rchiu
Government - slow, inefficient, greedy, and corrupt
Private companies - Greedy and corrupt
pick your poison.
Accurately fixed, and both have their place.Originally posted by: JohnnyGage
Fixed and I will take the latter.Originally posted by: rchiu
Government - Often slow, inefficient, greedy, and corrupt
Private companies - Often slow, inefficient, greedy and corrupt
pick your poison.
That's exactly right. Decades of anti-government RNC propaganda had been quite effective with gullible people who need scapegoats for their own frustrations and failures, but the truth is government can be just as good -- and just as bad -- as any private company. I always get a kick out of seeing someone blast big government, then turn around and laud the "economies of scale" one purportedly gets by allowing corporations to grow without restriction. Having worked for and with many government agencies and Fortune 100 companies, I've seen first hand how both can be well-run and efficient, and both can be bureaucratic quagmires dominated by incompetence and greed.Originally posted by: Craig234
Of course, but the propaganda saying otherwise is very effective. ...
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Accurately fixed, and both have their place.Originally posted by: JohnnyGage
Fixed and I will take the latter.Originally posted by: rchiu
Government - Often slow, inefficient, greedy, and corrupt
Private companies - Often slow, inefficient, greedy and corrupt
pick your poison.
Absolutely true, especially at the federal level (you can move to another town if your local government stinks), but it presumes two things, that you know which companies are bad, and that you have a choice, i.e., there is a non-bad alternative available. As we get fewer and bigger companies, both presumptions become less likely.Originally posted by: JohnnyGage
True, but if a private company is slow, inefficient, greedy and corrupt I usually go somewhere else where none of those are a problem--hence why the private sector is more efficient; choice. Don't usually get that with govt.
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Efficiently? No.
The first purpose of a government program, regardles of its stated intent, is to perpetuate itself. This automatically means it can't run efficiently.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who really really can't do, run government programs.
No, it doesn't. It tells you something about the CTA. The plural of "anecdote" is NOT "data."Originally posted by: Xellos2099
LOOK at cta. Chicago transit authority. It is highly inefficient and extremely expensive. In the past 10-15 year, there is like no new route service increase while the administration cost double or triple. They blame the price increase on the gas but that is far from the truth. Does that tell you anything about government run service?
Sorry, "government" isn't a homogeneous monolith. That's the point. Your conclusion that all government is inefficient and inexpensive based on one example is as misguided as concluding that all corporations are corrupt based on the Enron example.Originally posted by: Xellos2099
CTA is government run, believe it or not. And guess what, we got casino bus running here 24/7 to Indiana and they are free to ride on to casino and back. They are free too.
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Efficiently? No.
The first purpose of a government program, regardles of its stated intent, is to perpetuate itself. This automatically means it can't run efficiently.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who really really can't do, run government programs.
It's a great bumper sticker, but parroting propaganda doesn't make it meaningful, no matter how earnest you may be. Every organization, public or private, tends to try to perpetuate itself. Following your insinuation, that means all organizations are bad, right? Naturally you also both ignore the counterexamples and the fact that big business can be just as bad as the worst of government.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:thumbsup:Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Efficiently? No.
The first purpose of a government program, regardles of its stated intent, is to perpetuate itself. This automatically means it can't run efficiently.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who really really can't do, run government programs.
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
It's a great bumper sticker, but parroting propaganda doesn't make it meaningful, no matter how earnest you may be. Every organization, public or private, tends to try to perpetuate itself. Following your insinuation, that means all organizations are bad, right? Naturally you also both ignore the counterexamples and the fact that big business can be just as bad as the worst of government.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:thumbsup:Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Efficiently? No.
The first purpose of a government program, regardles of its stated intent, is to perpetuate itself. This automatically means it can't run efficiently.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who really really can't do, run government programs.
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
It's a great bumper sticker, but parroting propaganda doesn't make it meaningful, no matter how earnest you may be. Every organization, public or private, tends to try to perpetuate itself. Following your insinuation, that means all organizations are bad, right? Naturally you also both ignore the counterexamples and the fact that big business can be just as bad as the worst of government.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:thumbsup:Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Efficiently? No.
The first purpose of a government program, regardles of its stated intent, is to perpetuate itself. This automatically means it can't run efficiently.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who really really can't do, run government programs.
That was random. Do you have a point? I don't think anybody has suggested government is perfect or is the answer to everything. If you'll check the topic, you will find it is about the efficiency and efficacy of government.Originally posted by: bamacre
I'm not aware of any big businesses that have murdered massive amounts of money overseas.
