Do you believe intelligence is genetically inherited or developed?

[Syringer]

And if it is genetic, or partly genetic, are there certain races with a intelligence advantage?

 

[Hanpan]

AFAIK and recall the latest studies inidcate 30% is genetic and 70% is environmental and other factors (training etc). Note these factors inlcude some randomness as well.

Sorry, I do not have a link at the moment.

 

[PowerMacG5]

I say half and half.

 

[brunswickite]

bout half and half i would say.

 

[Syringer]

Whoo, we have a nice bell curve going on here. 1-4-7-4-0

 

[WHipLAsh13]

I hate half and half I prefer whole milk

 

[DJFuji]

you think intelligence can be developed THAT much? I always thought it was almost entirely genetic, except for certain factors such as the listen-to-mozart-and-temporarily-increase-my-IQ thing.

 

[JSang]

hard to define intelligence, but at its obviously higherlevels id like to say that it is mostly genetic

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Mostly genetic.

What courses do you have to have to become Einstein?

Nature sets the boundries, and nurture determines your place within them. You cannot become smarter than your brain will allow.

 

[jinduy]

i think it's mostly developed but it has a lot to do with the environmnet (society, culture and especially the parents).


hmm looks like i am misinterpreting the definition of intelligence...

if the likes of einstein or whoever is considered to be intelligent, then i would say it's more genetic.

 

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Mostly genetic.

What courses do you have to have to become Einstein?

Nature sets the boundries, and nurture determines your place within them. You cannot become smarter than your brain will allow.

im saying half and half. You can have all the intellegence in the world, but if you are not given the chance to develop it (either on your own or through school), it does you no good.

 

[WHipLAsh13]

This is a stupid question, then again maybe i just wasn't born with or have developed the intelligence to answer such a question.

 

[DJFuji]

im defining intelligence as raw brainpower; not the ability to use it or anything like that. If you grew up in a cave with no schooling, parents, or anything else but had a 170 IQ, you'd still have a 170 IQ and you'd still be a genius. Just because you couldn't read, write, or speak a language doesn't mean you don't possess the raw brain power to be intelligent.

 

Originally posted by: DJ Fuji
im defining intelligence as raw brainpower; not the ability to use it or anything like that. If you grew up in a cave with no schooling, parents, or anything else but had a 170 IQ, you'd still have a 170 IQ and you'd still be a genius. Just because you couldn't read, write, or speak a language doesn't mean you don't possess the raw brain power to be intelligent.

the man has a point. How is intelligence in this thread defined?

 

[gururu]

IMO intelligence is almost entirely genetic. someone of lesser intelligence might be wittier, wiser, more knowledgeabe, a better communicator, but brilliance transcends all of these social assets. that said, greater intelligence may not get you far in life, it may even make one tormented, but it will certainly be recognized if not appreciated by people.

Race? If I had to say, I'd say that Indians (India) have the potential to be extremely brilliant. Next, I'd put Germans. But that is only my perosnal experience. I'd bet that all races spit out an equal level of geniuses.

 

[brunswickite]

Originally posted by: DJ Fuji
im defining intelligence as raw brainpower; not the ability to use it or anything like that. If you grew up in a cave with no schooling, parents, or anything else but had a 170 IQ, you'd still have a 170 IQ and you'd still be a genius. Just because you couldn't read, write, or speak a language doesn't mean you don't possess the raw brain power to be intelligent.

how would you or that person know they had a "170 IQ" if they could not read or write? there would be no way of measuring it unless they did know how to read or write.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: DJ Fuji
im defining intelligence as raw brainpower; not the ability to use it or anything like that. If you grew up in a cave with no schooling, parents, or anything else but had a 170 IQ, you'd still have a 170 IQ and you'd still be a genius. Just because you couldn't read, write, or speak a language doesn't mean you don't possess the raw brain power to be intelligent.

the man has a point. How is intelligence in this thread defined?

I would say ability to learn and understand. This is different than what many seem to be referring to here -knowledge.

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: gururu
IMO intelligence is almost entirely genetic. someone of lesser intelligence might be wittier, wiser, more knowledgeabe, a better communicator, but brilliance transcends all of these social assets. that said, greater intelligence may not get you far in life, it may even make one tormented, but it will certainly be recognized if not appreciated by people.

Race? If I had to say, I'd say that Indians (India) have the potential to be extremely brilliant. Next, I'd put Germans. But that is only my perosnal experience. I'd bet that all races spit out an equal level of geniuses.

Doesn't that contradict your own argument?

What is brilliant any ways? Measuring one's intelligence is highly subjective so I usually read about such research with high degree of skepticism. It's interesting to read about those twin studies that show the extent of heritability with some types of intelligence.

 

[sandorski]

Mostly "environmental". An education is the most important aspect of Intelligence, specifically Mathematics, which teaches proper Logic. That said, an uneducated person may have superior problem solving skills for certain things(or even in totality), but their abilities are hampered by their lack of Knowledge. What good is an IQ of 200+ if the person with it is trying to comprehend whether the Sun revolves around the Earth, when a less Intelligent(but highly educated) person already knows the answer and is trying to comprehend Time Travel.

It's been over 20 years since I've taken an IQ test(so I might be wrong about this), but isn't it based upon your age and a comparison with your peers of the same age? If so, the educated are far more likely to score higher.

 

[gunblade]

I think intelligence is developed. cleverness may more likely be born-to-be. after all, you don't see a lot dumb old guys around. They know how to be intelligent which are more about how you hold yourself and react to environment since they have been experiencing their life so much that certain things and how to live their life come second nature.

 

[Luagsch]

genetics might control the "potential", but it's a thing of developement (and education) plus the ability to use your brain that defines it.

Quote from waking life:

It's like you come onto this planet with a crayon box. Now you may get the 8-pack, you may get the 16-pack, but it's all in what you do with the crayons, the colors that you're given. And don't worry about drawing within the lines, or coloring outside the lines. I say, color outside the lines. You know what I mean?

 

[Syringer]

Wow, close..keep them coming!

 

[yellowperil]

If you're talking intelligence in general, then I'd guess about half-half. But I think exceptional intelligence is mostly genetic. But then again, I know nothing about being exceptionally intelligent.

 

[CastorTr0y]

Originally posted by: DJ Fuji
im defining intelligence as raw brainpower; not the ability to use it or anything like that. If you grew up in a cave with no schooling, parents, or anything else but had a 170 IQ, you'd still have a 170 IQ and you'd still be a genius. Just because you couldn't read, write, or speak a language doesn't mean you don't possess the raw brain power to be intelligent.

if that's what you meant, then i'm saying its completely genetic.

 

[gigapet]

I think they recently proved it was genetic. As they modified a cloned mouse's "IQ gene" and another cloned mouse without the modified "IQ gene" perfromed significantly worse in all the tests than the modified mouse. I think i saw this on discovery or tech tv I dont recall.

But I still think the brain has no limits, some people can just unlock the "doors" easier than others