Nope, I have lived in a huge old farmhouse in the middle of nowhere which had several people die in it from old age. If that doesn't create a prime ground for ghosts what does!
OK, first the facts...Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Can you say Photoslop?clue #1 " consider the last two photographs as "entertainment"...
Yes, I believe in ghosts, I've seen them.
I lived in a house that was "inhabited".
If I make any more latte's tonight, I may just tell you the story of Mr. Feinberg's House on Finger Way....
Im in the mood for some ghost stories
do tell
/me sitting on a couch covered with blanket with hot coco
House is OLD, Built by an Engineer in Tudor style in 1910. Sold to current owners in Late 1920's. Current owner's mother and father both died there after a fruitful and prosperous life. Father died in the back room aptartment and laid there for a day before they noticed, so the story goes....
ANYWAY... what I SAW was one day I was in the upstairs bathroom drying my hair and I noticed an old man in coveralls walking from the back part of the backyard (where I had recently planted a garden) with some gardening tools and a big straw hat, out of the corner of my eye.
My immeadiate thought was "Oh, just Mr. Feinberg coming in from the ..... " I then realized #1 Mr.Feinberg had been dead for several years and I had never actually seen him EVER!!! When his son described him to me I was convinced.
There were doors that would swing shut with the windows closed as well as other atypically "cold spots" as have been reported in "hauntings". The room he died in was always very cold.
I moved just after the Loma Prieta quake as it damaged the heating system, chimmneys and plaster.
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
OK, first the facts...Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Can you say Photoslop?clue #1 " consider the last two photographs as "entertainment"...
Yes, I believe in ghosts, I've seen them.
I lived in a house that was "inhabited".
If I make any more latte's tonight, I may just tell you the story of Mr. Feinberg's House on Finger Way....
Im in the mood for some ghost stories
do tell
/me sitting on a couch covered with blanket with hot coco
House is OLD, Built by an Engineer in Tudor style in 1910. Sold to current owners in Late 1920's. Current owner's mother and father both died there after a fruitful and prosperous life. Father died in the back room aptartment and laid there for a day before they noticed, so the story goes....
ANYWAY... what I SAW was one day I was in the upstairs bathroom drying my hair and I noticed an old man in coveralls walking from the back part of the backyard (where I had recently planted a garden) with some gardening tools and a big straw hat, out of the corner of my eye.
My immeadiate thought was "Oh, just Mr. Feinberg coming in from the ..... " I then realized #1 Mr.Feinberg had been dead for several years and I had never actually seen him EVER!!! When his son described him to me I was convinced.
There were doors that would swing shut with the windows closed as well as other atypically "cold spots" as have been reported in "hauntings". The room he died in was always very cold.
I moved just after the Loma Prieta quake as it damaged the heating system, chimmneys and plaster.
:Q
more ghost stories please
Believe is a pretty strong word. I've personally never seen anything. There have been times when I have heard weird things, or thought I saw something ghostly, but never clearly enough to be sure it wasn't my imagination. So any experiences I might have had or might have imagined I have had *could* be explained as other than supernatural.
So far there is no proof of the existence of ghosts, but there is a lot of evidence. There is a difference between proof and evidence you know. I know several very credible people who claim to have had experiences that defy explanation. Because of this and other evidence, I believe in the possibility.
So far there is no proof of the existence of ghosts, but there is a lot of evidence. There is a difference between proof and evidence you know. I know several very credible people who claim to have had experiences that defy explanation. Because of this and other evidence, I believe in the possibility.
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It is a repost. I have reposted that link at least 3 times myself in the last year alone.
The painting is disturbing but not scary. The story surrounding it is ***BULL***. But so what? It does make for stimulating posts doesn't it?
The painting is disturbing but not scary. The story surrounding it is ***BULL***. But so what? It does make for stimulating posts doesn't it?
incorrect. there is no evidence what so ever. there are a lot of anecdotal reports, but anecdotal reports don't count as evidence.
I believe quite strongly that we create our own ghosts.
I don't believe that any "energy" remains of an individual after death. I do believe that there are supernatural experiences but that those experiences are in fact natural. I believe in a spiritus mundi which shapes and influences spiritual experiences.
I don't believe that any "energy" remains of an individual after death. I do believe that there are supernatural experiences but that those experiences are in fact natural. I believe in a spiritus mundi which shapes and influences spiritual experiences.
wrong. scientifically, testimony is not evidence. scientifically is the only way that counts, as far as we can tell.
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You do realize that to the majority this represents a narrow view of the experiences possible. If we were to limit our beliefs to what was scientifically possible then the limit of our experience and belief would be necessarily constrained by the definitions of our science.
Science is pushed forward (or at least has been historically) in part by the questioning of belief's. One might contend that belief in the "supernatural" was necessary for a healthy evolution of science.
i strongly disagree. i think you misunderstand what science is about. a scientific view does not constrain what is possible, it simply defines it. i have a very active imagination, and i am not constrained by viewing everything in the world in a skeptical scientific manner. i also have no need to believe in anything. i either accept it or not. my life is not constrained by that. how could science possibly limit experience? if that experience can happen, then science can define it. does sight limit your ability to see?
in regards to your second statement, let me say this: science didn't develop because of the supenatural belief systems, it developed in spite of them. the view that religion and scientific beliefs fueled sciences forward motion is highly flawed. science does not attempt to disprove anything, or modify anyones views. it simply attempts to explain the world. yes, some pioneers were filled with the desire to try to put aside the ignorant, irrational veiws of the past, but the scientific explanations would have happened without those ignorant, irrational views. and considering religions historic persecution of those who question it, i imagine that scientific views would have happened much sooner than they did without religion, at least religion in its modern form. the greeks and mayans, for instance, had few problems having scientific inquiry side by side with their religions, though the mayans were somewhat constrained by the fact that they would not look into things that would contradict their dogma. in neither case did scientific inquiry happen because they were attempting to debunk supernatural beliefs. the view that you are espousing is generally just that of christian apologists who want to take credit for something that does not belong to them.
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Originally posted by: EdipisReks
Must you roll your eyes at everything someone says in this thread?
Anyway, testimonials may not be evidence or proof to you, but they are worth something. I'm not saying it's proof of an afterlife, but people are experiencing SOMETHING, be it latent energy, their imagination, dead people, other dimensions, enhanced perception, whatever. So yes, there is lots of proof that there are ghosts, but we don't know what they are. To claim that the millions of people who have seen something are just making it up is foolish.
Not so. Look up the word. Evidence is merely a set of circumstances that leads one to make a judgement. Proof is something that validates the judgement that was drawn from available evidence. If I talked to thirty people as they walk out of a room, and one third of them (roughly the portion of the pupulation who believe in ghosts) swear to me that they saw someone else in the room, this evidence leads me to believe that maybe there is someone in the room. For me, proof that someone else is on the room would be seeing the person and interacting with them. Proof for someone else might be different. There are some people who would not be convinced of the existence of ghosts if one ran up and farted in their face.
And of course testimony is admissable scientific evidence. For example, if you're studying how certain circumstances affect perception, and you ask your subject what they see, are you not going to believe them because it's just anecdotal? Like I said, testimony is evidence, but not proof. Don't like it? Tough.
Actually...I am pretty much an Atheist myself. I was kinda being a smart ass. Thought that was obvious. But really, that "prove it, superior intellect atitude" can be quite annoying.
i was aware that you were being a smart ass, chrisjor. that's why i used the rolling eyes emoticon. i find your smart ass approach to be much more iritating than my prove it approach, however. and how, exactly, was i being superior by asking your to site your research methodology?
btw, chrisjor, i was being a smart ass when i asked your to site your research methodology, but i thought it was obvious.
btw, chrisjor, i was being a smart ass when i asked your to site your research methodology, but i thought it was obvious.
that is faulty deduction, btw. all the testimony does is show that some people believe it to be true. the belief of people does not necessairly make something true. talking to someone and seeing them does not necessarily make something true. in this regard, it isn't actually evidence at all. is it evidence if i say that there is a pink dragon in my back yard? it is an anecdote, but it is not evidence. it is belief. your definition of evidence, btw, was faulty from a scientific standpoint, as one does not come to conclusions in science. once evaluates physical evidence and then comes to a decision based on that physical evidence. anecdote is usually ignored as soon as physical evidence contravenes it. as they say on CSI when the anecdotal testimony contradicts what is physically there (yes, i know that this is an appeal to an authority, but it is a cute quote), "'what never lies?' 'the evidence"'. at least in the case of forensic science, which works by standard scientific methods, anecdote is not evidence. anecdote can point you at evidence, but it isn't evidence. as i said, your definitions are correct as far as they go, but not from a working scientific view. scientific evidence is only that which can be physically evaluated. and there is no such thing as proof. to paraphrase stephen gould, something is only proven when it is silly to disbelieve it based on the evidence. new evidence, however, can change that somethings status of being "proven". i hate epistemology.
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