Do you also notice this trend?

[child of wonder]

This is why people should not be intimidated by job "requirements." Often companies realize they aren't going to get someone that matches all those criteria and are looking for the closest match possible.

If you think it's a job you can do then fire off a resume and see what happens.

 

[Joemonkey]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Dude, how dare you question the all knowing spidey07 who knows pretty much everything from a-z. Trust me, he is an expert in EVERYTHING computer related. Quantum physics? Check. He is an expert in everything, don't question him!!!

LOL! Damn, didn't know I came across as that much of a douchebag. I'll try to work on that.

careful what you post on the internet 🙂

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: mugs
They don't necessarily believe that they will find someone who meets all of their qualifications.

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: techs
There aren't five people in the world who would qualify.

I'm not fluent in Spanish and German but have worked enough with both that I could get by.

The rest I have been doing since before they came to be as they exist now.

Then why are you a bitter failure?

That's the opinion of some jealous ATers

:laugh: Yes, jealous of your inability to hold a job, blaming others for your poor financial decisions and great predictions on oil and gas.

 

[TwiceOver]

Yeah the local school system was looking for ridiculous requirements, my only guess was that they threw it out there hoping to get a portion of those requirements. Seriously if they wanted someone with the requirements they were asking the job would have been a $200K job, not going to happen here.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: techs
There aren't five people in the world who would qualify.

I'm not fluent in Spanish and German but have worked enough with both that I could get by.

The rest I have been doing since before they came to be as they exist now.

And a legend in his own mind at that!

 

[Joemonkey]

Originally posted by: TwiceOver
Yeah the local school system was looking for ridiculous requirements, my only guess was that they threw it out there hoping to get a portion of those requirements. Seriously if they wanted someone with the requirements they were asking the job would have been a $200K job, not going to happen here.

Ridiculous requirements are caused by a FAILURE in the HR department. They get wind of certs, degrees, years of experience, and market chatter and turn it into "must have w, x, y, and z to get this job"

the problem is most IT departments don't care about all that, but HR is the one calling the shots. You find a company with a competent HR department (they are quite honestly few and far between) and you've found a company to stay with.

 

[Imdmn04]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Imdmn04

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: spidey07
Not to brag, but I'd fit except only speak two languages. Most of my coworkers would fit that bill as well.

There are some strong requirements out there but then again really good IT people are getting very difficult to find and they are demanding a very pretty penny because they know they are worth it.

you are not CCIE if I remember correctly

No, but I am CCIE level. Just failed the damn lab by 3 points. I still apply to jobs listed as "CCIE required" and interview just to check them out.

Bullshit, no one is an expert is in network, security, and VOIP.
The most one can get is an expert in one subject, and knowledgeable in the other two.

The fact that an expert means you dedicate your whole career to a subject, there just isn't enough time in the world to do all three.

Expert means you remember the RFCs by heart, expert means you are on some consortium of that industry, expert means you published articles in that industry, expert means you are the architect for all things on that subject.

Now multiply that by 3 subjects.

Shit, there are sub-specialties within each of those subjects that requires different expertise, much less claiming to be a SME in all 3 generic subjects.

The point is, the qualification on that job is greatly exaggerated or misrepresented, I am pretty sure whoever they hire will not even come close to that criteria.

lulz, I've got all those covered buddy. Which RFC would you like me to quote without googling?

Come on, you gotta be shitting me.

Just on the topic of networking, the amount of knowledge to be an expert in all 7 OSI layers is unreal.

You need know DSP (EE/Physics) on layer 1, and have extensive material science background in designing the physical transport medium.

You need to know graph traversal (CS) for routing, which involves a shit load of high level math that most IT people can't even grasp the general concept symbolically, much less implement it in code.

Nobody in the world has expert knowledge on all 7 layers. It is NOT possible. You may be an expert in configuring IOS on a Cisco router, but the amount of knowledge to create that product takes thousands and thousands of people's collective expertise.

 

[Finalnight]

Yeah, this is why I finally realized that most posted jobs are a sham. Its usually to fulfill an H1B requirement or an internal requirement to post a job for x days. Usually they already know who they want.

If you want a good professional position, you gotta get it through the network/grapevine.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Imdmn04

Come on, you gotta be shitting me.

Just on the topic of networking, the amount of knowledge to be an expert in all 7 OSI layers is unreal.

You need know DSP (EE/Physics) on layer 1, and have extensive material science background in designing the physical transport medium.

You need to know graph traversal (CS) for routing, which involves a shit load of high level math that most IT people can't even grasp the general concept symbolically, much less implement it in code.

Nobody in the world has expert knowledge on all 7 layers. It is NOT possible. You may be an expert in configuring IOS on a Cisco router, but the amount of knowledge to create that product takes thousands and thousands of people's collective expertise.

Yes, I know. You think that is special. I and my coworkers call that common knowledge if you work in the field. It is possible and very likely.

Seriously, that kind of knowledge isn't so special nor is it too much to expect of a CS/EE with 15 years experience. It's common. If you have a question about any of the layers or how they work please try the networking forum.

 

[Glavinsolo]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Software development job ads will list requirements that aren't possible without time travel, like "5+ years of .NET 3.5 development experience" or similar before-they-existed requirements for other MS APIs and products.

My company's always lists knowledge of a 95% custom app as a "recommended skill" in their ads.

😕

Yeah I see that way too often. I personally believe it is a trap to see if someone puts it on their resume with no past history of working at the company. Easy way to weed out an applicant.


But I applaud this post. Most of all is how much time is wasted on the applicants part just to get salary figures.

Glassdoor.com is awesome by the way please help them by posting your job,pay.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: rrahman1

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Why would a programmer know 3 languages? That's just ludicrous. It's a legitimate requirement for someone working in international relations, but for someone writing code?

Maybe the HR person that placed the ad bumbled the details from the requesting dept. Instead of languages in "English, French and Spanish" maybe they wanted VB, Cobol, and C++.

😛

this is what i was thinking as well. i highly doubt they meant three foreign languages. it's got to be computer languages that they're requiring

nope, for this position you have to speak dutch/french/english

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Software development job ads will list requirements that aren't possible without time travel, like "5+ years of .NET 3.5 development experience" or similar before-they-existed requirements for other MS APIs and products.

My company's always lists knowledge of a 95% custom app as a "recommended skill" in their ads.

😕

LOL

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
What was the salary?

1 yuan per hour.

these are the future jobs replacing all the ones we off shored...or so they told us😉

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Imdmn04

Come on, you gotta be shitting me.

Just on the topic of networking, the amount of knowledge to be an expert in all 7 OSI layers is unreal.

You need know DSP (EE/Physics) on layer 1, and have extensive material science background in designing the physical transport medium.

You need to know graph traversal (CS) for routing, which involves a shit load of high level math that most IT people can't even grasp the general concept symbolically, much less implement it in code.

Nobody in the world has expert knowledge on all 7 layers. It is NOT possible. You may be an expert in configuring IOS on a Cisco router, but the amount of knowledge to create that product takes thousands and thousands of people's collective expertise.

Yes, I know. You think that is special. I and my coworkers call that common knowledge if you work in the field. It is possible and very likely.

Seriously, that kind of knowledge isn't so special nor is it too much to expect of a CS/EE with 15 years experience. It's common. If you have a question about any of the layers or how they work please try the networking forum.

Spidey, I always read your posts in networking and there is no doubt in my mind that you are a very knowledgeable person. I still think that it's almost impossible to find a perfect match for these kind of job applications. The requirements I listed are in the must have section not the nice to have section. I have been around some pretty intelligent people myself and I can say that there is nobody that would fit 100%

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: mugs
They don't necessarily believe that they will find someone who meets all of their qualifications.

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: techs
There aren't five people in the world who would qualify.

I'm not fluent in Spanish and German but have worked enough with both that I could get by.

The rest I have been doing since before they came to be as they exist now.

Then why are you a bitter failure?

ZING~~~~ZAP~~~~ZING!!!

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
- Speak at least 3 languages
- expert in networking (CCIE level)
- expert in security
- expert in VoIP
- above average Unix skills (Sun Solaris, Linux, ...)
- Programming / scripting skills
- some project management cert (PMP or whatever else is hot these days)
- excellent communicator
- management skills

Sounds like an average asian or european student to me.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
Spidey, I always read your posts in networking and there is no doubt in my mind that you are a very knowledgeable person. I still think that it's almost impossible to find a perfect match for these kind of job applications. The requirements I listed are in the must have section not the nice to have section. I have been around some pretty intelligent people myself and I can say that there is nobody that would fit 100%

Don't get me wrong, I agree with the OP that there seem to be postings with pretty stringent requirements. My main point is finding really qualified people can be difficult but they do exist and one should apply anyway even if they don't have every single must have.

 

[Casawi]

Sometimes they make those crazy job descriptions on purpose to hire an H1-B worker. Most internationals would speak 3 languages, its not that much really. That is just my guess.