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Do you agree that HD era is just a hype and it will go away?

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BTW people ,do you realise that if you guys are spending thousand of dollars on a HD set, that it will become obsolete when 1080P arrive as a standard? 😛.Make sure your new Television is 1080p ready, or else you will cry in about 2 years 😛
 
Originally posted by: Mrfrog840
no its not a hype. its here to stay

Probably, but its not here to take over current old technology and make this old technology die.

The old technology will remain.I REFUSE TO LET IT GO! 😛

 
I can't afford an HDTV, so that just pretty much ends it for me right there. I can't justify even $399 for a cheap one for 12 channels. And even if I could afford a cheap one I wouldn't buy it, because they lack the necessary GOOD hookups (most cheap ones have one set of components and no HDMI), to hook up all the other stuff besides my comcast cable box (progressive scan DVD, xbox, etc). And no, S-video doesn't count. So I'd end up having to spend another $150 for a component switcher.
 
Originally posted by: jelkukipik
BTW people ,do you realise that if you guys are spending thousand of dollars on a HD set, that it will become obsolete when 1080P arrive as a standard? 😛.Make sure your new Television is 1080p ready, or else you will cry in about 2 years 😛

1080p will not be the standard..for a LONG time. There simply isn't the infrastructure to handle it.

Why do you think msot HD channels including HDnet are in 1080i? bandwdith.


1080p is of course the natural progression in the order of things but way way off.
 
Originally posted by: jelkukipik
BTW people ,do you realise that if you guys are spending thousand of dollars on a HD set, that it will become obsolete when 1080P arrive as a standard? 😛.Make sure your new Television is 1080p ready, or else you will cry in about 2 years 😛

Negative ghostrider. First off, we spent less than 1k on our 34" HDTV.

2nd, many people use cable boxes and the such to receive HD. In this case, the box does all of the upconverting/downconverting for the TV (if you want it to, and we do).

Whenever 1080p becomes popular, which could be a long time (just look at regular HD, it still is only on no more than 15 channels really) the boxes that are available from the cable company will downconvert 1080p to 1080i for the TV.
 
Originally posted by: jelkukipik
Cmon.Try to explain to your 50 years old grand mother what HD is and she will laugh in your face.

Who has a 50 year old grandma and can explain current technology? That requires both the grandmother and the mother to have been teenage mom's. So the real question is whether you're from the ghetto or the trailer parks.
 
Originally posted by: jelkukipik
BTW people ,do you realise that if you guys are spending thousand of dollars on a HD set, that it will become obsolete when 1080P arrive as a standard? 😛.Make sure your new Television is 1080p ready, or else you will cry in about 2 years 😛


Honestly, never post again. Ever. Do us that favor. It's going to take a LONG time for 1080p to be a standard, and even when it DOES become a standard, it will still be playable on 1080i/720p TV's. To tell you the truth, both 1080i and 720p look AMAZING to me, and while 1080p is slightly better, I really couldn't care less. Both 1080i and 720p is plenty good for me for at least the next ten years.

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
why do you think they pushed it back from 2005 to 2009?

there isn't a standard yet...and people don't want to throw away perfectly good TV's for inferior technology. yes, that's right, I said it. It's inferior because there isn't a standard.

you can buy a 1080p model now, but there won't hardly be any channels that support this resolution.

now if the TV can somehow magically upscale/upconvert 1080i to 1080p and increase the picture's quality, then it's superior technology.

right now 1080i will look like crap on a 1080p set because you either get the black bars, or you upscale, but lost quality/perspective.

widescreen and HD are the two biggest SCAMS every created by mankind. Oooh, look, it's wide screen so it must be better. Remember WS movies on standard 4:3 TV sets? there weren't any widescreen TV's out yet, but they started the scam. what a joke.

now they want to force HD and we don't even have a standard yet. If all TV stations broadcast in 1080p and that's the only resolution they broadcast, then yes, getting a "HD" set will make sense. But they don't all do that do they? some broadcast in 1080i, some in 720p. Until all channels broadcast in one res., I will not get an HD set, it's pointless. Unless like I said they come out with a TV that magically upconverts all lower quality sources into its higher quality native resolution. we all know that will never happen...it's like trying to convert a 640x480 72dpi pic into a 1920x1200 1200dpi pic in photoshop and expect the quality to stay the same...LMAO!

1080i and 1080p are the SAME ASPECT RATIO. THERE ARE NO BLACK BARS. It DOES NOT MATTER if one station broadcasts 1080i and one station broadcasts 720p, and hell, for some crazy reason, one station broadcasts 1080p. IT WILL ALL LOOK GOOD ON A HDTV. STOP POSTING.
 
I must chime in here with a few things, hopefully this won't get ignored...

Obviously HD is here to stay and any opposition is just like opposition to computers and stuff way back in the day, like has been mentioned already. However, I don't have cable in college and will be in college for the next 3 1/2 years, so TV is pretty much gone from my life and so I won't care about this for awhile.

My question is about the upcoming conversion to digital. I have been hearing about this for awhile. But would that require that all current non-HD/digital sets start using a receiver with their cable? I'm sorry, but look at all the older people in this nation that don't give a damn about HD and never will (i.e., my parents, and probably a lot of your parents, too). I really cannot imagine Comcast or any other big cable company forcing receivers down these people's throats saying you must buy this and you must hook it up even though you haven't had to for as long as you lived. Just ain't happening.

So please explain what this conversion to digital will entail and how they'll get around that.
 
Originally posted by: RossMAN

I love it but wish more channels were in HD.
I remember going from black & white to color. Anybody who bought the first color TVs, paid a fortune for them and had nothing to watch, but Disney on Sunday evening. The early adopters ended up footing the huge bill for the change over. I can safely say my dad wasn't one of them, and I won't be one in this switch either.
 
Originally posted by: archcommus
I must chime in here with a few things, hopefully this won't get ignored...

Obviously HD is here to stay and any opposition is just like opposition to computers and stuff way back in the day, like has been mentioned already. However, I don't have cable in college and will be in college for the next 3 1/2 years, so TV is pretty much gone from my life and so I won't care about this for awhile.

My question is about the upcoming conversion to digital. I have been hearing about this for awhile. But would that require that all current non-HD/digital sets start using a receiver with their cable? I'm sorry, but look at all the older people in this nation that don't give a damn about HD and never will (i.e., my parents, and probably a lot of your parents, too). I really cannot imagine Comcast or any other big cable company forcing receivers down these people's throats saying you must buy this and you must hook it up even though you haven't had to for as long as you lived. Just ain't happening.

So please explain what this conversion to digital will entail and how they'll get around that.
Not just cable, OTA broadcasts are going digital too. They pretty much are forcing it down people's throats. Not till 2010 though, IIRC. I read somewhere that the government (I think) will subsidize the required digital receivers.

**edit** Ok I think you are equating HD with digital. I was referring to the switch to digital, not the switch to HD. 😱
 
Originally posted by: archcommus
I must chime in here with a few things, hopefully this won't get ignored...

Obviously HD is here to stay and any opposition is just like opposition to computers and stuff way back in the day, like has been mentioned already. However, I don't have cable in college and will be in college for the next 3 1/2 years, so TV is pretty much gone from my life and so I won't care about this for awhile.

My question is about the upcoming conversion to digital. I have been hearing about this for awhile. But would that require that all current non-HD/digital sets start using a receiver with their cable? I'm sorry, but look at all the older people in this nation that don't give a damn about HD and never will (i.e., my parents, and probably a lot of your parents, too). I really cannot imagine Comcast or any other big cable company forcing receivers down these people's throats saying you must buy this and you must hook it up even though you haven't had to for as long as you lived. Just ain't happening.

So please explain what this conversion to digital will entail and how they'll get around that.
They will have to use a cable box, or get a new TV. There are no other options.

 
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: jelkukipik
BTW people ,do you realise that if you guys are spending thousand of dollars on a HD set, that it will become obsolete when 1080P arrive as a standard? 😛.Make sure your new Television is 1080p ready, or else you will cry in about 2 years 😛

1080p will not be the standard..for a LONG time. There simply isn't the infrastructure to handle it.

Why do you think msot HD channels including HDnet are in 1080i? bandwdith.


1080p is of course the natural progression in the order of things but way way off.

I agree with you here, but you see? People are investing money in 1080i sets, and we are already talking 1080p.The playstation 3 will give a big push in the 1080p era imo, and when that will happen, people will, once again, change their televisions

 
Originally posted by: jelkukipik
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: jelkukipik
BTW people ,do you realise that if you guys are spending thousand of dollars on a HD set, that it will become obsolete when 1080P arrive as a standard? 😛.Make sure your new Television is 1080p ready, or else you will cry in about 2 years 😛

1080p will not be the standard..for a LONG time. There simply isn't the infrastructure to handle it.

Why do you think msot HD channels including HDnet are in 1080i? bandwdith.


1080p is of course the natural progression in the order of things but way way off.

I agree with you here, but you see? People are investing money in 1080i sets, and we are already talking 1080p.The playstation 3 will give a big push in the 1080p era imo, and when that will happen, people will, once again, change their televisions

No, they won't. The change from 720p/1080i to 1080p is a much smaller change from SDTV to HDTV, yet most people still haven't changed. It's going to take a LONG time to get any 1080p penetration in the market in terms of broadcasting channels. And to be truthful, I don't think theres enough difference between 1080i and 1080p to warrant a new TV, and I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to do this either.
 
Originally posted by: jelkukipik
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: jelkukipik
BTW people ,do you realise that if you guys are spending thousand of dollars on a HD set, that it will become obsolete when 1080P arrive as a standard? 😛.Make sure your new Television is 1080p ready, or else you will cry in about 2 years 😛

1080p will not be the standard..for a LONG time. There simply isn't the infrastructure to handle it.

Why do you think msot HD channels including HDnet are in 1080i? bandwdith.


1080p is of course the natural progression in the order of things but way way off.

I agree with you here, but you see? People are investing money in 1080i sets, and we are already talking 1080p.The playstation 3 will give a big push in the 1080p era imo, and when that will happen, people will, once again, change their televisions
How many times do people have to explain to you that they aren't forced to change TVs. The PS3 will work fine with any TV, SD, ED, HD, whatever.

 
Originally posted by: SLCentral
Originally posted by: jelkukipik
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: jelkukipik
BTW people ,do you realise that if you guys are spending thousand of dollars on a HD set, that it will become obsolete when 1080P arrive as a standard? 😛.Make sure your new Television is 1080p ready, or else you will cry in about 2 years 😛

1080p will not be the standard..for a LONG time. There simply isn't the infrastructure to handle it.

Why do you think msot HD channels including HDnet are in 1080i? bandwdith.


1080p is of course the natural progression in the order of things but way way off.

I agree with you here, but you see? People are investing money in 1080i sets, and we are already talking 1080p.The playstation 3 will give a big push in the 1080p era imo, and when that will happen, people will, once again, change their televisions

No, they won't. The change from 720p/1080i to 1080p is a much smaller change from SDTV to HDTV, yet most people still haven't changed. It's going to take a LONG time to get any 1080p penetration in the market in terms of broadcasting channels. And to be truthful, I don't think theres enough difference between 1080i and 1080p to warrant a new TV, and I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to do this either.

I honestly have difficulty to see the big leap from SDTV to HDTV( OK STOP WHINNING YEAH THERE IS ONE DIFFERENCE 16:9 content vs 4:3, brighter image.., better resolution.).

People will make the switch if something new that look better come out.Whats next after 1080p? 1700i?( im just inventing here)The HD will get crushed by something new very soon.Its like the DVD technology.It was amazing, and now this technology is dead.Im pretty sore that a lot of broadcaster are hesitating to convert into HD because of the cost,and because there is already something new ahead.

Im no more in this HD hype anymore.Sure it look great, and i will probably invest money is a new technology ina few years...but will it be HD? I dunno.
 
Originally posted by: loup garou

How many times do people have to explain to you that they aren't forced to change TVs. The PS3 will work fine with any TV, SD, ED, HD, whatever.

Xbox360 look a xbox 1.5 on SD television.You raelly need a HDtv to see a major difference.
 
Originally posted by: jelkukipik
Originally posted by: SLCentral
Originally posted by: jelkukipik
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: jelkukipik
BTW people ,do you realise that if you guys are spending thousand of dollars on a HD set, that it will become obsolete when 1080P arrive as a standard? 😛.Make sure your new Television is 1080p ready, or else you will cry in about 2 years 😛

1080p will not be the standard..for a LONG time. There simply isn't the infrastructure to handle it.

Why do you think msot HD channels including HDnet are in 1080i? bandwdith.


1080p is of course the natural progression in the order of things but way way off.

I agree with you here, but you see? People are investing money in 1080i sets, and we are already talking 1080p.The playstation 3 will give a big push in the 1080p era imo, and when that will happen, people will, once again, change their televisions

No, they won't. The change from 720p/1080i to 1080p is a much smaller change from SDTV to HDTV, yet most people still haven't changed. It's going to take a LONG time to get any 1080p penetration in the market in terms of broadcasting channels. And to be truthful, I don't think theres enough difference between 1080i and 1080p to warrant a new TV, and I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to do this either.

I honestly have difficulty to see the big leap from SDTV to HDTV( OK STOP WHINNING YEAH THERE IS ONE DIFFERENCE 16:9 content vs 4:3, brighter image.., better resolution.).

People will make the switch if something new that look better come out.Whats next after 1080p? 1700i?( im just inventing here)The HD will get crushed by something new very soon.Its like the DVD technology.It was amazing, and now this technology is dead.Im pretty sore that a lot of broadcaster are hesitating to convert into HD because of the cost,and because there is already something new ahead.

Im no more in this HD hype anymore.Sure it look great, and i will probably invest money is a new technology ina few years...but will it be HD? I dunno.

You're a moron. There's nothing anyone can say that will make you understand, because you just refuse to get it.

If no one ever adapts to newer technology because theres soemthing else around the corner, nothing would ever happen. That's pretty obvious.

Lastly, if you can't notice a significant difference between SDTV and HDTV, then you need to go to an eye doctor.
 
Originally posted by: cavemanmoron
Originally posted by: ironcrotch
go get yourself a new tv you crotchety old goat.

Hmm,
I am over 45.

I just bought a new TV,
an RCA TruFlat 27".

Not a high definition tv. I did not have $1,000+ to waste on a tv.

I paid $250 + tax for this one.ugh bad enough.
http://tv.rca.com/en-US/ModelDetail.html?PC=27-32&MN=27F520T


ou can get a 26" Widescreen HDTV (CRT) for $150 more. Add another $100 more for an LCD.

Oh yeah, really need to take out the second mortgage for one of those.
 
Originally posted by: SLCentral


You're a moron. There's nothing anyone can say that will make you understand, because you just refuse to get it.

If no one ever adapts to newer technology because theres soemthing else around the corner, nothing would ever happen. That's pretty obvious.

Lastly, if you can't notice a significant difference between SDTV and HDTV, then you need to go to an eye doctor.


READ what im fvckin writing before whinning and blasting me like you do.

I refuse to continue this conversation with you.Im here to discuss freely about a subject and you just bash me about my opinion.

Farewell

 
Originally posted by: jelkukipik
Originally posted by: SLCentral


You're a moron. There's nothing anyone can say that will make you understand, because you just refuse to get it.

If no one ever adapts to newer technology because theres soemthing else around the corner, nothing would ever happen. That's pretty obvious.

Lastly, if you can't notice a significant difference between SDTV and HDTV, then you need to go to an eye doctor.


READ what im fvckin writing before whinning and blasting me like you do.

I refuse to continue this conversation with you.Im here to discuss freely about a subject and you just bash me about my opinion.

Farewell

I did read what you said. You've got nothing left to argue with me about, so you're leaving. See you around :thumbsup:!
 
Originally posted by: venk
Originally posted by: cavemanmoron
Originally posted by: ironcrotch
go get yourself a new tv you crotchety old goat.

Hmm,
I am over 45.

I just bought a new TV,
an RCA TruFlat 27".

Not a high definition tv. I did not have $1,000+ to waste on a tv.

I paid $250 + tax for this one.ugh bad enough.
http://tv.rca.com/en-US/ModelDetail.html?PC=27-32&MN=27F520T


ou can get a 26" Widescreen HDTV (CRT) for $150 more. Add another $100 more for an LCD.

Oh yeah, really need to take out the second mortgage for one of those.

This is what I found,when looking at HD TV's.

HP Pavilion LC2600N 26-inch LCD HDTV Television

Price $1,399.99 *
Save $100 with instant rebate -$100.00

Price after rebate $1,299.99 *


I had planned on Not buying a Television set,till mine died,
and almost bought a 21 inch stereo flat screen; because it was $159.

My Tv died on Christmas Eve,
i used the money I had planned to spend on paying my heat bill.
Now that will be a month late,and I will have to pay higher per gallon
home heating oil prices.

I do not live at home with Mom,and Dad, and spend half my paycheck on toys,
like when I was 19.

I have a mortgage,etc. So a HD TV for $1000 + will wait for several years.

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopp...&catLevel=3&product_code=PW777AA%23ABA
 
Originally posted by: jelkukipik
Originally posted by: SLCentral


You're a moron. There's nothing anyone can say that will make you understand, because you just refuse to get it.

If no one ever adapts to newer technology because theres soemthing else around the corner, nothing would ever happen. That's pretty obvious.

Lastly, if you can't notice a significant difference between SDTV and HDTV, then you need to go to an eye doctor.


READ what im fvckin writing before whinning and blasting me like you do.

I refuse to continue this conversation with you.Im here to discuss freely about a subject and you just bash me about my opinion.

Farewell

That's the problem with opinions..many times they remain unfounded and rather lame.

You see, the jump from analog to digital is HUGE. We are talking about our entire infrasturcuture openign a ton of radio space for D/A to A/D conversion. It will open a flood gate that has been wanting to breach fro some time to come...jsut think, wimax, everywhere:heart:

As for SDTV to HDTV, the jump is massive, but on another front.

For the most part, we are talking about resolutions approaching a dozen times better than regular SDTV. That is HUGE> Frankly, I can't see how anyone in their right mind could say that that isn't an enormous leap.

And think about this too...how long have we had EDTV, DVDs, how long have we had VHS, SDTV? TO say the DVDs are dead is quite a claim and you best back it up before psoting something so frivilous.

As for 1080p, you need to readd up before posting nonsensical jibberish on here. I don't mean that as an insult. I REALLY mean that as an insult. People on these boards come here because we give them good info, and people shouting off their mouth about things that are a mathematical impossibility make it hard for the truth to get out.

The fact of the matter is that SDTV has lasted for decades, VHS lasted like 2, DVD is at the mark, and still it has not had complete market penetration. These thigns take time, these thigns take content, and these thing require adaquate infrastructure, something that 1080p would overwhelm.


I quote

That starts with the video produced from 1080p cameras. At present, 720p and 1080i cameras output video at about 1.5 Gigabits per second, but 1080p would roughly double that to 3 Gbps, Pagano says. To convert that into a standard 19.4 Megabit per second channel for transmission across a cable network, "there's a whole set of other technologies that have got to be accomplished in between there."

http://www.cedmagazine.com/article/CA422050.html


Frankly, 1080p is a novelty, a technological milestone that had to be reached to sway the critiques that said nay to interlaced video. It is indeed a momentous achievement, but jsut that, an achievement.


Frankly, everyone is saying that 1080p is FANTASTIC for offline content, and everyone is saying that our infrastructure can't handle it for on-demand online delivery.

Please, do everyone a favor and go read up on this and then talk if you want.

Not only are you making a fool out of yourself, but you are misleading droves of newbies.



Do I want a 1080p?

Why?

Because I know what to do with it. I know that I don't ahve a vid card that can play games at such a high res. I know I don't have more than two movies that are encoded in 1080p. but you know what>I have this thing, this deinterlacer thigny that makes all my wildest wet dreams come true.....



ah...I'm just ranting now.


dude...go read a book.
 
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