Do you admire the Amish response or not ?

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Absolutely, we could all learn a thing or two from the Amish

Such as?

How to make awesome homemade baked goods.
How to make high quality furniture.
How to build barns.

And, most importantly,
How to live like a real community.

I can't disagree with you when it comes to the "living like a real community." The problem is that their values, rules, and general ways of life that allow them to live as a true community are not transferable in our world, the REAL world.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Perknose
It takes true courage not to hate another, when that person has given you every reason to hate them. We are quick to label others heroes. The Amish are true heroes in my heart.

I, myself, lack their integrity, but I stand in genuine awe of the personal honor, genuine generostiy, and TRUE CHRISTIAN SPIRIT of the Amish. They walk the talk, even through the Valley of Death.

These are people who don't spend one extra second trying to tell you or I how to live our lives, unlike the ugly, red-faced, hate-filled Whackomentalists now trying to bypass our Bill of Rights and force their Taliban-like agenda on the rest of us.

The Amish live in the quiet light of true forgiveness. Nothing is stronger. Nothing.

From my far more profane level of existence, down here in the madding world, that big, buzzing blur of Fundie Republicans and meat, may I pause this morning to salute the Amish.

See my sig? I'm still trying to get there.

But the Amish?

I admire them with every fiber of my body and my heart and my soul.

Riiight...that's why American women wear burkas and we execute people on the street with AK-47s :roll: fvcking spoiled American brat.

 

[JS80]

do amish pay taxes?

 

[JS80]

As individuals we should all strive to be like the Amish. However, as a secular society, being like the Amish would get us conquered or killed. And poor.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: JS80
Riiight...that's why American women wear burkas and we execute people on the street with AK-47s :roll: fvcking spoiled American brat.

I voluntered for and served my country, punk.

You are the spoiled American brat, asshole. :|

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: JS80
Riiight...that's why American women wear burkas and we execute people on the street with AK-47s :roll: fvcking spoiled American brat.

I voluntered for and served my country, punk.

You are the spoiled American brat, asshole. :|

We each have our role in society. I pay my taxes and support the Republican party so that you get paid and are taken care of. How can you, as a solider who's seen how shvtty other countries are, compare anyone, fringe or not, to the Taliban?

 

[Vic]

Not only is the Amish response admirable, it is also more productive, socially, than the typical American response of fearful demands for vengeance coupled with calls to change (and thus punish) all of the society for the isolated actions of single nutcase.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Vic
Not only is the Amish response admirable, it is also more productive, socially, than the typical American response of fearful demands for vengeance coupled with calls to change (and thus punish) all of the society for the isolated actions of single nutcase.

I was going to say something similar so I'll just quote you to keep from looking like I'm paraphrasing.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Vic
Not only is the Amish response admirable, it is also more productive, socially, than the typical American response of fearful demands for vengeance coupled with calls to change (and thus punish) all of the society for the isolated actions of single nutcase.

Would their response have been different if the guy was currently living it up in Mexico, hiding from extradition? And what vengance can be brought down on a dead guy?

Like I said... It's a lot easier to forgive someone when your faith tells you he's burning in hell.

 

[jmdeathsquad]

Amish women are hot

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Like I said... It's a lot easier to forgive someone when your faith tells you he's burning in hell.

For you, no doubt, but what continue to go right over your head is that the Amish forgive no matter what.

They forgive no matter whether the perp is alive, living it up in Mexico, or not. Those circumstance have nothing whatsoever to do with their act of forgiveness. Theirs is forgiveness freely given.

It is a concept you apparently can't grasp. This is your weakness, and the Amish strength. It is part of why I admire their courage and integrity so.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Vic
Not only is the Amish response admirable, it is also more productive, socially, than the typical American response of fearful demands for vengeance coupled with calls to change (and thus punish) all of the society for the isolated actions of single nutcase.

Would their response have been different if the guy was currently living it up in Mexico, hiding from extradition? And what vengance can be brought down on a dead guy?

Like I said... It's a lot easier to forgive someone when your faith tells you he's burning in hell.

This sparks a discussion regarding the nature of hell. What is it exactly? (Without sparking any sort of "bleeding heart" type discussion) What could possibly lead one human being to kill innocent children and then turn the gun on himself? What were his thoughts? What was his state of mind? Might he not already have been in hell (on earth) already? If no afterlife exists but your final state of mind frozen forever, then Charles Roberts is in hell.

Or... put another way... sometimes when you think about punishment and revenge, I would invite you to consider what that person has already done to himself already. In this particular case, no worse punishment could possibly be done to Roberts beyond what he has already done to himself. I do think this way and, if you think about it, you might realize that it is far more cruel than anything else. Indifference is the opposite of love, not hate.

 

[Eli]

It is noble.

 

[winr]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
And to think the "God Hates Fags" Baptists were going to protest their little girls funerals. Now those are some assholes that deserve to be hated.

Ditto

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Vic
Not only is the Amish response admirable, it is also more productive, socially, than the typical American response of fearful demands for vengeance coupled with calls to change (and thus punish) all of the society for the isolated actions of single nutcase.

Would their response have been different if the guy was currently living it up in Mexico, hiding from extradition? And what vengance can be brought down on a dead guy?

Like I said... It's a lot easier to forgive someone when your faith tells you he's burning in hell.

This sparks a discussion regarding the nature of hell. What is it exactly? (Without sparking any sort of "bleeding heart" type discussion) What could possibly lead one human being to kill innocent children and then turn the gun on himself? What were his thoughts? What was his state of mind? Might he not already have been in hell (on earth) already? If no afterlife exists but your final state of mind frozen forever, then Charles Roberts is in hell.

Or... put another way... sometimes when you think about punishment and revenge, I would invite you to consider what that person has already done to himself already. In this particular case, no worse punishment could possibly be done to Roberts beyond what he has already done to himself. I do think this way and, if you think about it, you might realize that it is far more cruel than anything else. Indifference is the opposite of love, not hate.

You and I think so much alike on certain things it's scary.

 

[Phokus]

I think the religious conservatives could learn a thing or two from the amish...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Vic
Not only is the Amish response admirable, it is also more productive, socially, than the typical American response of fearful demands for vengeance coupled with calls to change (and thus punish) all of the society for the isolated actions of single nutcase.

Would their response have been different if the guy was currently living it up in Mexico, hiding from extradition? And what vengance can be brought down on a dead guy?

Like I said... It's a lot easier to forgive someone when your faith tells you he's burning in hell.

This sparks a discussion regarding the nature of hell. What is it exactly? (Without sparking any sort of "bleeding heart" type discussion) What could possibly lead one human being to kill innocent children and then turn the gun on himself? What were his thoughts? What was his state of mind? Might he not already have been in hell (on earth) already? If no afterlife exists but your final state of mind frozen forever, then Charles Roberts is in hell.

Or... put another way... sometimes when you think about punishment and revenge, I would invite you to consider what that person has already done to himself already. In this particular case, no worse punishment could possibly be done to Roberts beyond what he has already done to himself. I do think this way and, if you think about it, you might realize that it is far more cruel than anything else. Indifference is the opposite of love, not hate.

You and I think so much alike on certain things it's scary.

:Q

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Vic
Not only is the Amish response admirable, it is also more productive, socially, than the typical American response of fearful demands for vengeance coupled with calls to change (and thus punish) all of the society for the isolated actions of single nutcase.

Would their response have been different if the guy was currently living it up in Mexico, hiding from extradition? And what vengance can be brought down on a dead guy?

Like I said... It's a lot easier to forgive someone when your faith tells you he's burning in hell.

This sparks a discussion regarding the nature of hell. What is it exactly? (Without sparking any sort of "bleeding heart" type discussion) What could possibly lead one human being to kill innocent children and then turn the gun on himself? What were his thoughts? What was his state of mind? Might he not already have been in hell (on earth) already? If no afterlife exists but your final state of mind frozen forever, then Charles Roberts is in hell.

From what little is known on the man i wold say his life was close to it. he mollested children when he was younger and dreamed about it. All he could think about was mollesting/raping young amish women agian (6-13yr olds)

for any sane person i would have to think that would be pretty bad. To have such thoughts and know they are wrong?

 

[purepolly]

Originally posted by: OVerLoRDI
I'm amazed at their ability to forgive like that. Those are the kind of people I wish I could sit down and talk to for a while.

I'm amazed they were able to forgive immediately. It took me a long time to get to that point. Just processing the grief aspect alone took four years and I found I couldn't offer forgiveness until the grieving was resolved.

 

[kingtas]

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