Do you admire the Amish response or not ?

[beguile]

Originally posted by: MillionaireNextDoor
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

The Amish really do practice what they preach in loving God and each other.

Preaching is one thing and practicing what you preach is another. I truly admire their conviction. I admire those that have qualities that I may not have. Lots of respect for Amish people.

 

[MrsBugi]

I respect them for living by their teachings. They are better than I for going to the funeral of their children's murderer, something that I doubt I could ever do.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
i dont admire them.

there are so many problems within that community, and no i am not talking about incest.

many of them are alcoholice, drug users, etc. the community is very good in terms of helping others, but there are many other issues.

One problem with your glass house, MIKEMIKE, is that the rest of us can see you all too well.

i know, yes KNOW many amish people, i live in one of the largest amish areas in ohio, and thus, in the nation.

drive 10 minutes, and i can go find you horse drawn carriages.

when we went down to Mexico a few years ago with my dads company, one of the people who went was amish.

you guys who dont live near them dont understand the problems they have.

I live near and around them, too, in Bucks County, Pa., sport.

Given you may not be bright enough to have understood my response above, here's a Cliff Notes For Retards Clue: "He who lives in a glass house shouldn't cast stones."

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Still, even you should be bright enough to understand AM's curt, direct response to your off topic drivel:

Originally posted by: AnyMal
That's not what we were talking about, were we?

I don't think you're all that stupid so much as you clearly lack class.

Yet all your class won't make up for your lack of comprehension.

Yo, AnMal, I was talking to MIKEMIKE, not to you.

Just begin with my short, sharp sentence to him immediately above me quoting you taking him to task as well. I was agreeing with you. Please re-read this and then, I don't know, perhaps bone up on your own reading comprehension?

 

[DainBramaged]

No way that I could do what they did. To be honest, I don't know that I would even WANT to be able to forgive like that.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
i know, yes KNOW many amish people, i live in one of the largest amish areas in ohio, and thus, in the nation.

drive 10 minutes, and i can go find you horse drawn carriages.

when we went down to Mexico a few years ago with my dads company, one of the people who went was amish.

you guys who dont live near them dont understand the problems they have.

I have trouble believing that you know many people from that community who live "10 minutes" away. I don't have to travel to see Amish buggies. I just have to make sure that one of my dogs don't get too curious and end up chasing one some day. I have Amish people who have picked blackberries on my farm. I buy my lumber from one of the Amish sawmills 2 miles up the road. I buy baked goods from an Amish stand on my way back from the garbage dump on Saturday mornings. And, we buy our plants and hanging baskets from an Amish greenhouse 2 miles the other way down the road. Sure, there are some problems in their community; they're not completely immune, but as others have said (glass house), most communities have far worse problems. For a while, a group of Amish kids used to park their buggy on a side dirt-road that runs along one side of my property. Then, they'd sneak through the fields and go drinking at a house down the road from me. (Not an Amish home). But, once the elders found out what was going on, that activity ceased quite quickly. (I almost hit them with my car at about 2am one night; black horse, black buggy, and no lights on as they were sneaking out of the neighborhood after a party.) Still, I've met the kids; very polite (although a bit quiet). I buy nightcrawlers from them sometimes when I'm going fishing.

 

[soydios]

I admire them for forgiving the attacker, and so quickly after the shooting. It reminds me of when Pope John Paul II forgave the guy who shot him. If anything illustrates ultimate forgiveness, it's that.

 

[DukeN]

Forgiveness is a lot tougher to accept than hatred, despite the rationality in this case.

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: Biggerhammer

Originally posted by: DonVito
I totally respect and admire the Amish response to this tragedy. There is a great clarity and light in their amazingly gracious, noble reaction to a horrible, horrible event.

This week Howard Stern briefly spoke to Shirley Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church (aka the God Hates F@gs wackos). She was saying vicious, hateful things about the Amish, and claiming that the murders were God's way of slapping some sense into them. I thought, for a moment, that if she were right (which seems obviously false to me), then I hate God. The reality, I think, is that if there's a God, he loves the righteous (like the Amish), and will mete out stern punishment to the wicked, like Shirley and company.

No, he loves gits too. I have to picture Him wincing every time the Westboro idiots claim that they are following Him, though.

I know, but He still will mete out punishment to them that they deserve.

And for

It's easy to forgive someone when you believe they're wrything in agony, burning in hell for all of eternity.

No. It is never easy to forgive someone who did something like that. Nothing you could ever do would make it feel any better, or make forgiving them any easier.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
i dont admire them.

there are so many problems within that community, and no i am not talking about incest.

many of them are alcoholice, drug users, etc. the community is very good in terms of helping others, but there are many other issues.

now that i realise it said "response" and not "admire the amish" i would say, yes i do admire the response, but not the amish in general.

There are those in every community? they are not perfect.

 

[rockyct]

It is truely unique that they understand how anger and revenge only make things worse in a tragic situation like this. There is no possibility of revenge (and even if the guy was still alive, they wouldn't be calling for blood) and anger serves no purpose. They have found the peace they needed in their faith, and that is the reason for their beliefs.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
i know, yes KNOW many amish people, i live in one of the largest amish areas in ohio, and thus, in the nation.

drive 10 minutes, and i can go find you horse drawn carriages.

when we went down to Mexico a few years ago with my dads company, one of the people who went was amish.

you guys who dont live near them dont understand the problems they have.

I have trouble believing that you know many people from that community who live "10 minutes" away. I don't have to travel to see Amish buggies. I just have to make sure that one of my dogs don't get too curious and end up chasing one some day. I have Amish people who have picked blackberries on my farm. I buy my lumber from one of the Amish sawmills 2 miles up the road. I buy baked goods from an Amish stand on my way back from the garbage dump on Saturday mornings. And, we buy our plants and hanging baskets from an Amish greenhouse 2 miles the other way down the road. Sure, there are some problems in their community; they're not completely immune, but as others have said (glass house), most communities have far worse problems. For a while, a group of Amish kids used to park their buggy on a side dirt-road that runs along one side of my property. Then, they'd sneak through the fields and go drinking at a house down the road from me. (Not an Amish home). But, once the elders found out what was going on, that activity ceased quite quickly. (I almost hit them with my car at about 2am one night; black horse, black buggy, and no lights on as they were sneaking out of the neighborhood after a party.) Still, I've met the kids; very polite (although a bit quiet). I buy nightcrawlers from them sometimes when I'm going fishing.

Yup, the Amish here in MD are exactly the same. They live a humble life of farming and I buy their corn every year. They make wooden tables and we'll sometimes buy furniture off of them. They are able to forgive because they are more advanced socially than much of our modern "society": i.e. people who are scared of their own neighbors and could give a crap about social activities with your neighbors.

Last but not least, you people should know better than to even try to have a reasonable discussion with posters like MIKEMIKE, lol.

 

[OVerLoRDI]

I'm amazed at their ability to forgive like that. Those are the kind of people I wish I could sit down and talk to for a while.

 

[Syringer]

I'm surprised by the response in this thread and am very proud of all (most) of the responses here. I thought it'd be a macho fest of guys saying "oh hellz no i wouldn't forgive if he were alive and i saw him in an alley you know the shiz will hit the fan."

But yes, it's much better to forgive than to live in anger..

 

[jinduy]

Originally posted by: OVerLoRDI
I'm amazed at their ability to forgive like that. Those are the kind of people I wish I could sit down and talk to for a while.

same...

 

[grrl]

Originally posted by: Spacehead

But if i was in that situation i don't think i could forgive that person(well, not so soon anyway) & i certainly wouldn't attend his funeral.

 

[Mo0o]

Admirable but i wouldn't be able to do it.

 

[Winchester]

They attended the funeral not for the murderer, but for his family. The family had nothing to do with it and they suffered a loss as well. They showed their respects to the family.

 

[Winchester]

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
And to think the "God Hates Fags" Baptists were going to protest their little girls funerals. Now those are some assholes that deserve to be hated.

Why?

Those people are not Baptists as in Southern Baptist Convention. It is kinda like someone wanting to be another race and everyone makes fun of them. They are not even in the same category as Christian and or Baptist.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: Rage187
absolutely amazing.

I hope it teaches others in the world about the meaning of forgiveness.

Sorry, but I don't understand how you could forgive someone who killed your daughter.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: Rage187
absolutely amazing.

I hope it teaches others in the world about the meaning of forgiveness.

Sorry, but I don't understand how you could forgive someone who killed your daughter.

No one here is saying such true Christian forgiveness would be easy, which is why I admire the Amish so. They have the strength of their convictions. This is true courage, imho.

 

[Kenazo]

I think too they realized that for this guy to go to this extreme he must have been extremely tormented. It's hard to not also feel for him and his family.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Absolutely, we could all learn a thing or two from the Amish

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Absolutely, we could all learn a thing or two from the Amish

Such as?

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Absolutely, we could all learn a thing or two from the Amish

Such as?

How to make awesome homemade baked goods.
How to make high quality furniture.
How to build barns.

And, most importantly,
How to live like a real community.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Absolutely, we could all learn a thing or two from the Amish

Such as?

How to make awesome homemade baked goods.
How to make high quality furniture.
How to build barns.

And, most importantly,
How to live like a real community.

i'm with you on that.

we have a few Amish farms here, and at one they run a fruit/veggie stand that i stop at frequently. they are some of the nicest, honest, hard working people you will ever meet.