Do you accept evolution as fact? Yes/No?

[petrek]

Let's try this:

Knowledge: 1 + 1 = 2
Faith: x + y = 1

Knowledge: A lit candle will burn my hand if I place my hand in the flame.
Faith: I pray to God if I put my hand in a flame it won't get burned.


Knowledge is learning something based upon a proven fact. Or, it can also be considered something a bit more esoteric such as read a fiction novel and having knowledge of an author's style and characters and discussing meaning behind the plot.

Faith is forming opinions based upon uncertainties, unknowns, and assumptions.

Knowledge: 1+1 = 2
Faith: 1+1 = 2
Current Self Esteem philisophy infiltrating school 1+1 = ?. Student can't be wrong because that might give them low self...thus it's better to teach lies in the public school system.

Knowledge: A lit candle will burn my hand if I place my hand in the flame.
Faith: A lit candle will burn my hand if I place my hand in the flame. "...Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." Matthew 4:7

Knowledge is learning something based upon a proven fact.

Faith is believing something based upon certainties, knowns, and proven facts.

Dave

 

[highwire]

This Christian says yes to all of the OP's queries. I would rather believe God is an engineer than a stage magician.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: petrek

Let's try this:

Knowledge: 1 + 1 = 2
Faith: x + y = 1

Knowledge: A lit candle will burn my hand if I place my hand in the flame.
Faith: I pray to God if I put my hand in a flame it won't get burned.


Knowledge is learning something based upon a proven fact. Or, it can also be considered something a bit more esoteric such as read a fiction novel and having knowledge of an author's style and characters and discussing meaning behind the plot.

Faith is forming opinions based upon uncertainties, unknowns, and assumptions.

Knowledge: 1+1 = 2
Faith: 1+1 = 2
Current Self Esteem philisophy infiltrating school 1+1 = ?. Student can't be wrong because that might give them low self...thus it's better to teach lies in the public school system.

Knowledge: A lit candle will burn my hand if I place my hand in the flame.
Faith: A lit candle will burn my hand if I place my hand in the flame. "...Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." Matthew 4:7

Knowledge is learning something based upon a proven fact.

Faith is believing something based upon certainties, knowns, and proven facts.

Dave

WTF? The Bible is just about pure fiction with some sprinkles of truth filtered in.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: conjur
You're distorting things, though. People espouse evolution as fact as it's a proven fact. They may be a bit passionate in voicing their opinion but that's only because evolution seems to be under constant attack from a massive amount of ignorance from the fundamental Christian right.

And vice-versa. There is no question that Christianity is also under attack in this country

The slight waning of Christian hegemony over American culture is not an indication that Christianity is under attack. Most of the loudly trumpeted complaints about Christianity being under attack are a result of the loss of certain special rights that Christians feel entitled to, like losing a special spot for the Ten Commandments in the courthouse, Christmas not being elevated above other winter holidays (remember all the hullaballoo last Christmas and the one before and so on about the evil greeting "Happy Holidays"?), and no exceptions for the Christian charity.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Theories in science are the backbone of any discipline. Denying evolution is the same, without hyperbole, as denying gravity, electricity, magnetism, physics and chemistry. They are part and parcel of the same domain known as science.

Intelligent Design, as a theory, is pretty much intellecutally devoid. It makes few, if any, predictions. The predictions it does make are the same as evolution (organisms will be adapted to their environments) but adds an unnecessary variable (this adaption was steered in part or in whole by something intelligent). Occam's Razor works its magic here and elminates ID as a theory.

 

[petrek]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: petrek

Let's try this:

Knowledge: 1 + 1 = 2
Faith: x + y = 1

Knowledge: A lit candle will burn my hand if I place my hand in the flame.
Faith: I pray to God if I put my hand in a flame it won't get burned.


Knowledge is learning something based upon a proven fact. Or, it can also be considered something a bit more esoteric such as read a fiction novel and having knowledge of an author's style and characters and discussing meaning behind the plot.

Faith is forming opinions based upon uncertainties, unknowns, and assumptions.

Knowledge: 1+1 = 2
Faith: 1+1 = 2
Current Self Esteem philisophy infiltrating school 1+1 = ?. Student can't be wrong because that might give them low self...thus it's better to teach lies in the public school system.

Knowledge: A lit candle will burn my hand if I place my hand in the flame.
Faith: A lit candle will burn my hand if I place my hand in the flame. "...Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." Matthew 4:7

Knowledge is learning something based upon a proven fact.

Faith is believing something based upon certainties, knowns, and proven facts.

Dave

WTF? The Bible is just about pure fiction with some sprinkles of truth filtered in.

NO, the Bible is not "just about pure fiction...". PM me with your assertions, if you are serious about your opinion.

Dave

 

[LordMagnusKain]

NO, the Bible is not "just about pure fiction...". PM me with your assertions, if you are serious about your opinion.

if he was serious he'd look up his list of bible "contradictions" and find out that none of them are actually contradictions at all.

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: dgevert

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Evolution is a fact

what exprenemtnal test proved this again?

It's a fact that evolution has happened, based on observational evidence.

Surely you aren't suggesting that it's merely coincidence that all possible methods of comparing organisms have agreed on the same basic hierarchical pattern of relationships among species?

Evolution is only a scientific theory....

There is no publication of standard that can provide the evidence necessary to move evolution to fact or law.

exactly, evolution isn't a Scientific law, as you see in nutonion physics, but a theory that has yet to be proven.

Is there a difference? I sometimes wonder, especially when you see the evolution fanatics attacking as heretics those who dare to doubt (or question why it even matters)...

give that man a c-guar.

The theory of evolution is an explanation of this phenomenon.

Basic science, folks.

fixed that post for you.

The theory refers to the mechanics of evolution.

that IS what i said in my post.

Vic: i love how your thoughtfull questions are bated down by the faithfull athiests with statmetns like "nuhuh it"s true!" then you've repeatedly said that you whern't saying it isn't.

I read about in science texts. Texts from people that have performed experimentation and seen the results and then wrote about it.

that's just a lie, but that's ok, not like we're talking about your faith here.

oh, wiat.

Just a matter of finding the fossil record for that time period.

Ah... sorry, didn't get that far yet.

Anyway, I think modern science is just as good a religion as any other.

i don't, it devalues the basic pure truth that science is truly based on:
we can't know anything for 100% sure.

This Christian says yes to all of the OP's queries. I would rather believe God is an engineer than a stage magician.

good response.

Denying evolution is the same, without hyperbole, as denying gravity, electricity, magnetism, physics and chemistry.

actually there are scientific laws governing gravity electricity magnetism physics and chemistry.

there are no laws of evolution as it remains a theory, much like string theory, something that seems like it makes sense but we can't test in a laboratory.

 

[Whaspe]

You had to bring string theory into this didn't you :evil:

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Whaspe
You had to bring string theory into this didn't you :evil:

You know....
Membrane string theory gives us a completely reasonable explanation to why we exist as we do without having to get evolution involved.

But so does ?intelligent design theory?

If your going to call any of them fact then your just telling saying that you have faith.

 

[Whaspe]

Yah, but to say the big bang arose from collision of two membranes is a bit far fetched. Still though, string theory does provide for something interesting to be discussed at Physics conferences.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Whaspe
Yah, but to say the big bang arose from collision of two membranes is a bit far fetched. Still though, string theory does provide for something interesting to be discussed at Physics conferences.

Hahaha ah..

well, give it 100 years, the idea of humans coming from a goopy ooz seemed rather far fetched 100 years ago.

proof or not, let it be a century of "science theory" and you'll have people vehemently, religiously, that it's scientific fact.

my theory? you can't truly understand the brain of God.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: petrek

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: petrek

Let's try this:

Knowledge: 1 + 1 = 2
Faith: x + y = 1

Knowledge: A lit candle will burn my hand if I place my hand in the flame.
Faith: I pray to God if I put my hand in a flame it won't get burned.


Knowledge is learning something based upon a proven fact. Or, it can also be considered something a bit more esoteric such as read a fiction novel and having knowledge of an author's style and characters and discussing meaning behind the plot.

Faith is forming opinions based upon uncertainties, unknowns, and assumptions.

Knowledge: 1+1 = 2
Faith: 1+1 = 2
Current Self Esteem philisophy infiltrating school 1+1 = ?. Student can't be wrong because that might give them low self...thus it's better to teach lies in the public school system.

Knowledge: A lit candle will burn my hand if I place my hand in the flame.
Faith: A lit candle will burn my hand if I place my hand in the flame. "...Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." Matthew 4:7

Knowledge is learning something based upon a proven fact.

Faith is believing something based upon certainties, knowns, and proven facts.

Dave

WTF? The Bible is just about pure fiction with some sprinkles of truth filtered in.

NO, the Bible is not "just about pure fiction...". PM me with your assertions, if you are serious about your opinion.

Dave

Please don't tell me you actually believe in cherubs, Adam and Eve eating apples given to them by snakes, arks and doves and ravens, burning bushes, David and Goliath, water into wine, etc.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Whaspe
You had to bring string theory into this didn't you :evil:

You know....
Membrane string theory gives us a completely reasonable explanation to why we exist as we do without having to get evolution involved.

No, cosmology is separate from evolutionary biology. The Big Bang doesn't explain why humans exist.

But so does ?intelligent design theory?

The problem is that every piece of evidence can be made to fit creationism (under whatever nom de jour), so it's not a scientific theory or even a useful explanation.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: dgevert

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Yeah, Ive seen that drawing that shows a monkeyman evolving to a human...but! what about before the monkey man? And what about the monkey woman?

Jebus, save me from your brain-dead followers, please...

http://www.talkorigins.org/faq...c/images/hominids2.jpg

Care to tell me where the "monkeys" (cough straw man cough) end and the humans begin?

Or maybe you'd like to explain this?

So are you telling me that the creatures whos skulls these are came from the goo?

What I want you to explain is Goo to First Creature in Picture.

Still waiting on an explanation how I got here from "The Goo"

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: dgevert

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Yeah, Ive seen that drawing that shows a monkeyman evolving to a human...but! what about before the monkey man? And what about the monkey woman?

Jebus, save me from your brain-dead followers, please...

http://www.talkorigins.org/faq...c/images/hominids2.jpg

Care to tell me where the "monkeys" (cough straw man cough) end and the humans begin?

Or maybe you'd like to explain this?

So are you telling me that the creatures whos skulls these are came from the goo?

What I want you to explain is Goo to First Creature in Picture.

Still waiting on an explanation how I got here from "The Goo"

Science doesn't yet have that answer. Go do some research on abiogenesis or exobiology.

It certainly makes more sense than some big fairy in the sky creating a lonely ol' planet in an insignificant galaxy as the only source of life in the entire universe.

Ever watch that opening sequence of Contact? Sort of puts a bit of perspective on how insignificant our planet is and how ridiculous the concept of a God worrying about this little planet truly is.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: dgevert

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Yeah, Ive seen that drawing that shows a monkeyman evolving to a human...but! what about before the monkey man? And what about the monkey woman?

Jebus, save me from your brain-dead followers, please...

http://www.talkorigins.org/faq...c/images/hominids2.jpg

Care to tell me where the "monkeys" (cough straw man cough) end and the humans begin?

Or maybe you'd like to explain this?

So are you telling me that the creatures whos skulls these are came from the goo?

What I want you to explain is Goo to First Creature in Picture.

Still waiting on an explanation how I got here from "The Goo"

Science doesn't yet have that answer. Go do some research on abiogenesis or exobiology.

It certainly makes more sense than some big fairy in the sky creating a lonely ol' planet in an insignificant galaxy as the only source of life in the entire universe.

Ever watch that opening sequence of Contact? Sort of puts a bit of perspective on how insignificant our planet is and how ridiculous the concept of a God worrying about this little planet truly is.

Evolutionists put so much faith in their beliefs...I would be more willing to accept aliens planting us here as opposed to coming from "The Goo"

 

[GoPackGo]

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[conjur]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: conjur
Science doesn't yet have that answer. Go do some research on abiogenesis or exobiology.

It certainly makes more sense than some big fairy in the sky creating a lonely ol' planet in an insignificant galaxy as the only source of life in the entire universe.

Ever watch that opening sequence of Contact? Sort of puts a bit of perspective on how insignificant our planet is and how ridiculous the concept of a God worrying about this little planet truly is.

Evolutionists put so much faith in their beliefs...I would be more willing to accept aliens planting us here as opposed to coming from "The Goo"

Why do you keep distorting the meaning of the term evolution? Evolutionists' primary concern is not with the origin of life.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: conjur
Science doesn't yet have that answer. Go do some research on abiogenesis or exobiology.

It certainly makes more sense than some big fairy in the sky creating a lonely ol' planet in an insignificant galaxy as the only source of life in the entire universe.

Ever watch that opening sequence of Contact? Sort of puts a bit of perspective on how insignificant our planet is and how ridiculous the concept of a God worrying about this little planet truly is.

Evolutionists put so much faith in their beliefs...I would be more willing to accept aliens planting us here as opposed to coming from "The Goo"

Why do you keep distorting the meaning of the term evolution? Evolutionists' primary concern is not with the origin of life.

Why is that? Are they afraid that their "science" is like house of cards in the eye of a hurricane?

Wouldn't the pre-goo have to evolve into "The-Goo" and then into something else? Also with the wide variety of life on this planet, wouldn't it have had to have happened over and over again?

Move beyond the monkeys....think back to the earth as some floating rock...with some pool of pre-goo....

Did plant life evolve first? Or what would the post-goo creatures have eaten? Each other? doesn't bode well for them then....imagine eating your species out of existence!

 

[Jack31081]

Originally posted by: MadRat
The FACT that we observe similarities among species does not change the FACT that no direct evidence proves the validity of the theory. So its a FACT that there is no link between any two species, right down to the genetic level. There have been plenty of common genomes, but no definitive branches. The "missing links" always exist when the science behind the theories are scrutinized. So what we have here is a bunch of zealous agnostics fervently trying to cram fiction down the population's throat.

Whether you believe in Christ or not has no bearing on the FACT that Evolution is a theory. But it sure would seem that the people taking jabs at christians are adamite that there is a link between denying Evolution as a fact and otherwise. Last time I checked christians weren't the only ones who believes in a Creation theory.

No link between any two species? Is sharing 98.77% of our DNA with chimpanzees not a link??

Human & Chimpanzee Genome Mapping

What do you mean by 'definitive branches'? Please, enlighten us.

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: conjur
Science doesn't yet have that answer. Go do some research on abiogenesis or exobiology.

It certainly makes more sense than some big fairy in the sky creating a lonely ol' planet in an insignificant galaxy as the only source of life in the entire universe.

Ever watch that opening sequence of Contact? Sort of puts a bit of perspective on how insignificant our planet is and how ridiculous the concept of a God worrying about this little planet truly is.

Evolutionists put so much faith in their beliefs...I would be more willing to accept aliens planting us here as opposed to coming from "The Goo"

Why do you keep distorting the meaning of the term evolution? Evolutionists' primary concern is not with the origin of life.

Why is that? Are they afraid that their "science" is like house of cards in the eye of a hurricane?

Wouldn't the pre-goo have to evolve into "The-Goo" and then into something else? Also with the wide variety of life on this planet, wouldn't it have had to have happened over and over again?

Move beyond the monkeys....think back to the earth as some floating rock...with some pool of pre-goo....

Did plant life evolve first? Or what would the post-goo creatures have eaten? Each other? doesn't bode well for them then....imagine eating your species out of existence!

it's usually a good idea to educate yourself on a subject before trying to say too much about it. get yourself informed and then you can try to argue against evolution...

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Jack31081

Originally posted by: MadRat
The FACT that we observe similarities among species does not change the FACT that no direct evidence proves the validity of the theory. So its a FACT that there is no link between any two species, right down to the genetic level. There have been plenty of common genomes, but no definitive branches. The "missing links" always exist when the science behind the theories are scrutinized. So what we have here is a bunch of zealous agnostics fervently trying to cram fiction down the population's throat.

Whether you believe in Christ or not has no bearing on the FACT that Evolution is a theory. But it sure would seem that the people taking jabs at christians are adamite that there is a link between denying Evolution as a fact and otherwise. Last time I checked christians weren't the only ones who believes in a Creation theory.

No link between any two species? Is sharing 98.77% of our DNA with chimpanzees not a link??

Human & Chimpanzee Genome Mapping

What do you mean by 'definitive branches'? Please, enlighten us.

So are you saying we split from the same creature? Sounds sort of like "Twins" Humans got all the good stuff, and the chimps got the crap

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Tommunist

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: conjur
Science doesn't yet have that answer. Go do some research on abiogenesis or exobiology.

It certainly makes more sense than some big fairy in the sky creating a lonely ol' planet in an insignificant galaxy as the only source of life in the entire universe.

Ever watch that opening sequence of Contact? Sort of puts a bit of perspective on how insignificant our planet is and how ridiculous the concept of a God worrying about this little planet truly is.

Evolutionists put so much faith in their beliefs...I would be more willing to accept aliens planting us here as opposed to coming from "The Goo"

Why do you keep distorting the meaning of the term evolution? Evolutionists' primary concern is not with the origin of life.

Why is that? Are they afraid that their "science" is like house of cards in the eye of a hurricane?

Wouldn't the pre-goo have to evolve into "The-Goo" and then into something else? Also with the wide variety of life on this planet, wouldn't it have had to have happened over and over again?

Move beyond the monkeys....think back to the earth as some floating rock...with some pool of pre-goo....

Did plant life evolve first? Or what would the post-goo creatures have eaten? Each other? doesn't bode well for them then....imagine eating your species out of existence!

it's usually a good idea to educate yourself on a subject before trying to say too much about it. get yourself informed and then you can try to argue against evolution...

Then tell me the "Secret of "The Goo"" Were you around back then...or are you just assuming your knowledge based on someone elses made up stuff?

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: Jack31081

Originally posted by: MadRat
The FACT that we observe similarities among species does not change the FACT that no direct evidence proves the validity of the theory. So its a FACT that there is no link between any two species, right down to the genetic level. There have been plenty of common genomes, but no definitive branches. The "missing links" always exist when the science behind the theories are scrutinized. So what we have here is a bunch of zealous agnostics fervently trying to cram fiction down the population's throat.

Whether you believe in Christ or not has no bearing on the FACT that Evolution is a theory. But it sure would seem that the people taking jabs at christians are adamite that there is a link between denying Evolution as a fact and otherwise. Last time I checked christians weren't the only ones who believes in a Creation theory.

No link between any two species? Is sharing 98.77% of our DNA with chimpanzees not a link??

Human & Chimpanzee Genome Mapping

What do you mean by 'definitive branches'? Please, enlighten us.

there is a theory of gravitation as well - I'm sure this guy doesn't believe in gravity either since it's "just a theory." it's rare that here that I can actually attribute my disagreement with someone as to them simply being ignorant and/or not living in reality.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: conjur
Why do you keep distorting the meaning of the term evolution? Evolutionists' primary concern is not with the origin of life.

Why is that? Are they afraid that their "science" is like house of cards in the eye of a hurricane?

Wouldn't the pre-goo have to evolve into "The-Goo" and then into something else? Also with the wide variety of life on this planet, wouldn't it have had to have happened over and over again?

Move beyond the monkeys....think back to the earth as some floating rock...with some pool of pre-goo....

Did plant life evolve first? Or what would the post-goo creatures have eaten? Each other? doesn't bode well for them then....imagine eating your species out of existence!

You know, Pack. You typically exhibit rather logical thinking. Are you Skoorbing us here now? Surely you can't be this ignorant of the science of evolution.


Try these on for size:

Evolution
The fact the frequency of the apperance of alleles in a population of organisms changes over time.

Allele
The pieces of DNA that cause a particular trait, ie. "blue eyes".

The theory of evolution
A number of theories that explain, to the best of current knowledge, by what mechanisms evolution occurs.