Do we really need the Red States?

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: gramboh

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Joan Osborne
Jewel
Natalie Imbruglia
Janis Ian
John Hiatt
3 Doors Down
Avril Lavigne
No Doubt
Christina Aguilera
Matchbox Twenty
Megadeth
Sheryl Crow
Uncle Kracker
Vanessa Williams
David Wilcox
Roger McGuinn
Art Garfunkel
Hot Action Cop
Gin Blossoms


Those are the ones off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more.

Dislike every single one of those. Hate many of them. Don't you know trendy good music only comes out of NYC, the Northwest, parts of California and the UK?

Soujds like Headliners from a LottaPaLoser Festival

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Wow, nice copy-paste of spam email.

:thumbsup:

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
This is by far one of the dumbest things I've ever read and it makes sense coming from a dumbocrat. I don't even care who is on which side but I typically see this caliber of nonsense from you idiots in "Blue States". Probably why Apple targets your children.

See...other people can troll too.

Why do you red state folks like puns so much? It's a little embarrassing, dude.

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Wow, is that ever a stupid email forward. Partisan hackery FTL.

It's only partisan hackery if the libs are talking right? If it's the retardicans it's just fact right?

swbsam must be a retardodumbicanocrat

lol nice find :laugh:

 

[irishScott]

Fairfax, Loudon, and possibly Manassas county VA will be joining you.

Edit: After whoever wrote that dies.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

The red states have practically all the guns in America. You don't want to fight them.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: swbsam
I know this is really old and rather smug, but as small-town USA crumbles (with factories being closed down left and right), and the homophobia and fear mongering that I see generated from Southern and mid-western states, I really do wonder - do the Blue States need the Red States?

The red states are the ones forced to fund your out of control budgets. Kick them out of the union and your states are screwed.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

lol

the southwest is not the deep south. are you perchance retarded? the only major farming states in the south are florida and texas, and only one of those is republican (and increasingly turning blue )

on top of it, the south is the poorest and most undeveloped part of the country. Good riddance.

You have never been to my state have you? I tell you what, Oklahoma is one of the few states where there are still jobs and a half way decent economy. We are also extremely prosperous, don't suffer from a over inflated real estate market. Our banks are strong compared to most nationally and unemployment is among the lowest in the country.

About farming, when we stop sending you wheat, corn, peanuts, cotton, pork, beef, chicken and all sorts of farm products, come back and tell us we are not a major farming state. Your comment about the Southwest not aligning with the deep south, WE ARE IN THE SOUTHWEST.

We are also a net energy producer, unlike most northern states which tend to be energy leeches. We are among one of the biggest producers of natural gas, coal and electricity. We are also a MAJOR OIL PRODUCING STATE. We produce far more energy than we use.

Learn some facts about southern states before you go spouting off bullshit you know nothing about.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: nerp
Red states use the most public services like welfare and food stamps. They also pay the least amount of taxes.

before you click reply, go look at the stats.

My red state produces far more food and energy than we use. So we are even then aren't we?

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: swbsam
I know this is really old and rather smug, but as small-town USA crumbles (with factories being closed down left and right), and the homophobia and fear mongering that I see generated from Southern and mid-western states, I really do wonder - do the Blue States need the Red States?

The red states are the ones forced to fund your out of control budgets. Kick them out of the union and your states are screwed.

Yet another moron who believes that old lie...

http://www.taxfoundation.org/U...e/Blog/ftsbs-large.jpg

http://taxprof.typepad.com/tax...9/red_states_feed.html

 

[marvdmartian]

Amazing that this hasn't been kicked over to P&N. :laugh:

My 2 cents: OP, take a look at a map of blue counties versus red counties in the last election. I'd say you're a little outnumbered, geographically. How about we give you California, and us red folks will keep the rest of the country??

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: swbsam
I know this is really old and rather smug, but as small-town USA crumbles (with factories being closed down left and right), and the homophobia and fear mongering that I see generated from Southern and mid-western states, I really do wonder - do the Blue States need the Red States?

Dear Red States...

We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and
we're taking the other Blue States with us.

In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon,Washington,
Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We
believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially
to the people of the new country of New California.

To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.
We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get Elliot
Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.

We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood.
We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.
We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.
We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You
get Alabama.
We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states
pay their fair share.

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the
Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a
bunch of single moms.

Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and
anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at
once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have
kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no
purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their
children's caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and
hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our
resources in Bush's Quagmire.

With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent
of the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple
and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of
America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners)
90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most
of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and
condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale,
Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.

With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88
percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care
costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the
tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern
Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh,
Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was
actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred
unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say
that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved
in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy b*****ds believe you are people
with higher morals then we lefties.

By the way, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt
weed they grow in Mexico.

Peace out,
Blue States

It left out North Carolina, which is now BLUE.

but no, we should not get rid of the Red States. While they tend to embarrass us more often than not, they are a good source of humor and the food that they produce nourishes our superior brains...

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: yllus
Not if you don't want half your country's natural resources anymore?

No, you didn't read the post. All the blue states have all the resources because someone said they did! That have like 93.2908% of all resources, it has been proven in a mass email!

BTW, Timewarp FTW!

actually that is pretty close to true, the deep south is fairly resource poor, and the rest of it is grain land.

iirc, most of the top ag producing states are 'blue', i think texas would have been the only dissenter in 2008. the 'farm states' ie ND, sd, nebraska kansas, montana don't actually produce a huge amount of food.

How in the hell can you say that with a straight face? Wait, did you say that with a straight face? That was effectively one of the causes of the Civil War - the resources were in the South, but the manufacturing was in the North. For fuck's sake you have to be a dolt to actually think the "south is fairly resource poor."

Copper, ever hear of it? Primarily mined in the southwest. Oil, gold, silver, diamonds, are all also found in the southern states. The world's largest supply of known helium is in the panhandle of Texas. This is a very, very important gas for scientific research as well as used in medicinal instrumentations such as MRI machines. Tons of farming in red and southern states. Ever hear of citrus? They don't grow so well up north. Gulf coast fishing & shrimping are massive industries. Houston is one of the largest port of calls in the world.

These types of posts and threads just piss me the hell off. With all of the fucking troubles in the world we have douchebags in this country that want to be so decisive with what color their political map is.

I hate division based politics as well, but I see this growing sentiment from "Red" states, clinging onto divisive issues such as homosexuality in a way to further separate themselves, continuing to blur church and state. It personally angers me, turning America from this wonderfully progressive bastion of Freedom into something else...

So then why did you foment that argument by starting this thread?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: swbsam

I hate division based politics as well, but I see this growing sentiment from "Red" states, clinging onto divisive issues such as homosexuality in a way to further separate themselves, continuing to blur church and state. It personally angers me, turning America from this wonderfully progressive bastion of Freedom into something else...

I don't think that is a fair sentiment about "Red" states. I think there is a few loud voices, e.g. Gov. Rick Perry of Texas, that makes great sound bites but fundamentally I don't think it is all that bad.

Think about it, the farming ag Red state of Iowa now has gay marriage, but a 'progressive' Blue State like California had their citizens ban gay marriage. Ohio has a constitutional amendment describing marriage as one man and one woman - granted Ohio is often a swing "purple" state, but it typically has been a northern state.

The McCain camp has been coming out to tell their fellow Republicans to "get over" the entire anti-gay stance. I do have my doubts on how well that message will permeate through, but at least something has been said.

Now with that being said the invasion of religion into politics bothers the hell out of me but I don't think it is necessarily as decisive as many partisan hacks like to portray it.

I think the Republican party is at an interesting turning point - they can treat the major loss last november two ways: progress socially, embrace the need to move away from Religion and stop relying on issues such as stem cell research and homosexuality and instead focus on their core ideology (small government, put an end to needless spending, etc.) OR they can clench that cross even closer to their hearts...

It worries me that the undercurrent right now suggests that they're going the wrong way, but I hope I'm wrong.

I've voted for more Republicans than democrats, fyi... But Bush took the party back 50 years in my opinion.

I do not think that is reasonable or fair to say. I am no fan of Bush, but really what did he fundamentally do that set us back 50 years?

He put more minorities into his cabinet, or otherwise high-level federal positions, than any previous President. That sure as shit wasn't seen 50 years ago. He did get us bogged down with some screwed up war. . . hello, Korea, 50 years ago.

The current climate, even during the screwed up Bush years, is so very much more progressive than society was 50 years ago. I think it is just silly and intellectually dishonest for you to claim that he set us back 50 years.

He let Rove entrench the Christian coalition base of the party, with a more-or-less stated goal of redefining the moral politics of this country and halting or resetting, as best they can, the intellectual, scientific, and medical achievements of our country over the past century.

It's about time the real Republicans get their party back, or finally separate themselves from the vile seed that has bastardized their once respectable character.

They once believed in small government and individual freedom, but their policies over the previous 8 years have vastly increased the size of government more than any other administration, stripped individual freedoms more than any other, and legislated morality and "rights" that they believe we should "appreciate."

 

[Fingolfin269]

So you get all the pansies and we get all the rednecks with guns? Enjoy your beaches while we roll in and plunder all your shit.

 

[GenHoth]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
Yeah, let's split. I don't really appreciate bailing out the dickheads in CA with their batshit insane housing and liar loans, and the motherfuckers in NY exponentially betting on it who have trainwrecked our economy.

Coming from someone who's profile sez lives in Loozeeana...a state that rakes in $1.45 for every tax dollar they pay, and about double what Kahleeforneeya receives...you have defined the ironing...

http://www.taxfoundation.org/U...e/Blog/ftsbs-large.jpg


In case all that's too deep for you, the Blue states are the ones supporting your state...not the other way around.

See, this is what I don't get. You guys get straight up FUCKED by taxes... But you keep voting for them. Why? I mean, I love your patronage, but what do you get in return?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: GenHoth

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
Yeah, let's split. I don't really appreciate bailing out the dickheads in CA with their batshit insane housing and liar loans, and the motherfuckers in NY exponentially betting on it who have trainwrecked our economy.

Coming from someone who's profile sez lives in Loozeeana...a state that rakes in $1.45 for every tax dollar they pay, and about double what Kahleeforneeya receives...you have defined the ironing...

http://www.taxfoundation.org/U...e/Blog/ftsbs-large.jpg


In case all that's too deep for you, the Blue states are the ones supporting your state...not the other way around.

See, this is what I don't get. You guys get straight up FUCKED by taxes... But you keep voting for them. Why? I mean, I love your patronage, but what do you get in return?

They get a warm fuzzy feeling because after all its for the 'greater good'.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: swbsam

I hate division based politics as well, but I see this growing sentiment from "Red" states, clinging onto divisive issues such as homosexuality in a way to further separate themselves, continuing to blur church and state. It personally angers me, turning America from this wonderfully progressive bastion of Freedom into something else...

I don't think that is a fair sentiment about "Red" states. I think there is a few loud voices, e.g. Gov. Rick Perry of Texas, that makes great sound bites but fundamentally I don't think it is all that bad.

Think about it, the farming ag Red state of Iowa now has gay marriage, but a 'progressive' Blue State like California had their citizens ban gay marriage. Ohio has a constitutional amendment describing marriage as one man and one woman - granted Ohio is often a swing "purple" state, but it typically has been a northern state.

The McCain camp has been coming out to tell their fellow Republicans to "get over" the entire anti-gay stance. I do have my doubts on how well that message will permeate through, but at least something has been said.

Now with that being said the invasion of religion into politics bothers the hell out of me but I don't think it is necessarily as decisive as many partisan hacks like to portray it.

I think the Republican party is at an interesting turning point - they can treat the major loss last november two ways: progress socially, embrace the need to move away from Religion and stop relying on issues such as stem cell research and homosexuality and instead focus on their core ideology (small government, put an end to needless spending, etc.) OR they can clench that cross even closer to their hearts...

It worries me that the undercurrent right now suggests that they're going the wrong way, but I hope I'm wrong.

I've voted for more Republicans than democrats, fyi... But Bush took the party back 50 years in my opinion.

I do not think that is reasonable or fair to say. I am no fan of Bush, but really what did he fundamentally do that set us back 50 years?

He put more minorities into his cabinet, or otherwise high-level federal positions, than any previous President. That sure as shit wasn't seen 50 years ago. He did get us bogged down with some screwed up war. . . hello, Korea, 50 years ago.

The current climate, even during the screwed up Bush years, is so very much more progressive than society was 50 years ago. I think it is just silly and intellectually dishonest for you to claim that he set us back 50 years.

His social policies regarding civil rights and science were in no way progressive, and mirrored pre-60s "American" values.

Social policies? Okay so he is anti-abortion but that crowd has been around since Roe v. Wade. Again as I noted he elevated many minorities - regardless if you agree with those individuals or not - to high level positions. That sure as shit is not a pre-60's mindset.

The anti-science slant is mostly bullshit - except for the entire creationism thing, but that never got federal funding. The stem cells 'debate' was largely manufactured; there was a ban on using federal money on new lines of embryonic stem cells. Private money was kosher - which succeeded in developing new embryonic stem cell lines.

Hell I worked at a laboratory doing research for pharmaceutical and biotech companies - Bush didn't do a damn thing to screw over any scientific advances in my industry. What really screwed things up, surprisingly enough, was the Wall Street crash. That destroyed venture capital for biotech start-ups. If you really want to bitch about people screwing up scientific advances, go to Wall Street and bitch them out.

Yes, I do agree that the religion in politics shit is very screwed up and I don't care of that one iota but I think some of your assessments are unfair.

I don't think you were in the same industry as I am if you honestly had no exposure to the extreme lack of federal funding towards scientific research during Bush's tenure.

To claim that his stranglehold on research was a "manufactured conceit" is actually more dishonest. Their unbridled attempts to edit and shape climate-based research towards their purposes met the ire of scientists everywhere.

If you are in the field, then you are surely aware that his attack on stem cells was in no way masked by his "allowance of no new lines," when you should well know that the currently existing lines at that time were virtually useless.

When a well-supported, extremely divisive personality like Sarah Palin can make such laughably ignorant statements like "We ain't gonna be funding this fruit fly research in Paris, France," to the cheers and snickers of a woefully uneducated, yet primary sample of this man's party, I can hardly imagine a worse face to show for the world of Science.

Frankly, the tactics of Bush and is cronies have been a direct assault on our national intellect and our scientific contribution to humanity--they attempted nothing short of catapulting us back to a pre-antibiotic age.

EDIT: I will say that seeing as how you work for industry, you probably didn't see any of this personally.

I have always worked in Academia, which underwent a rather dark period during that admin.

Academia heavily depends on federal funding, as you well know, and that simply wasn't there.

hell, I was laid-off at one position due to a funding freeze.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: GenHoth

See, this is what I don't get. You guys get straight up FUCKED by taxes... But you keep voting for them. Why? I mean, I love your patronage, but what do you get in return?

Since we believe in welfare for those who NEED it, we can admit that we support the folks "down yonder" who can't support themselves...


Why if it weren't for us Yankees, y'all might not have them-thar roads to drive y'all's pick-up trucks on...

As for FEDERAL taxes, we don't get to vote for or against them...we elect officials who promise NOT to vote on them...but do anyway so they kin git them elekted offishuls of y'all's to vote on things that "we" want...

 

[GenHoth]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: GenHoth

See, this is what I don't get. You guys get straight up FUCKED by taxes... But you keep voting for them. Why? I mean, I love your patronage, but what do you get in return?

Since we believe in welfare for those who NEED it, we can admit that we support the folks "down yonder" who can't support themselves...


Why if it weren't for us Yankees, y'all might not have them-thar roads to drive y'all's pick-up trucks on...

As for FEDERAL taxes, we don't get to vote for or against them...we elect officials who promise NOT to vote on them...but do anyway so they kin git them elekted offishuls of y'all's to vote on things that "we" want...

I sure hope we get that high speed rail system in the next few years. I'll send you a thank you card

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: GenHoth

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: GenHoth

See, this is what I don't get. You guys get straight up FUCKED by taxes... But you keep voting for them. Why? I mean, I love your patronage, but what do you get in return?

Since we believe in welfare for those who NEED it, we can admit that we support the folks "down yonder" who can't support themselves...


Why if it weren't for us Yankees, y'all might not have them-thar roads to drive y'all's pick-up trucks on...

As for FEDERAL taxes, we don't get to vote for or against them...we elect officials who promise NOT to vote on them...but do anyway so they kin git them elekted offishuls of y'all's to vote on things that "we" want...

I sure hope we get that high speed rail system in the next few years. I'll send you a thank you card

Ah 'presheeate it.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Since we believe in welfare for those who NEED it, we can admit that we support the folks "down yonder" who can't support themselves...


Why if it weren't for us Yankees, y'all might not have them-thar roads to drive y'all's pick-up trucks on...

On the flip side, if it wasn't for us dumb southern hicks the north would starve and would live in the dark without the energy we supply.

Like I said earlier, it all evens out, even for the states that recieve more tax dollars than they pay in.