Do we really need guns?

[willstoddard]

We don't need them for sport or hunting for food. But we must keep them in he hands of those who would stand up against the forces of tyranny. That is the fight over guns. There is a group with enough power and control that they could turn this country into a fascist state and abolish the constitution and individual rights. Tell me you don't feel the undercurrent today and I would say you are willfully ignorant. It is the threat of uprising against their corrupt police forces that keep them at bay and it is the guns that allow it. Without them America will fall sooner than later.

 

[soundforbjt]

We don't need them for sport or hunting for food. But we must keep them in he hands of those who would stand up against the forces of tyranny. That is the fight over guns. There is a group with enough power and control that they could turn this country into a fascist state and abolish the constitution and individual rights. Tell me you don't feel the undercurrent today and I would say you are willfully ignorant. It is the threat of uprising against their corrupt police forces that keep them at bay and it is the guns that allow it. Without them America will fall sooner than later.

Amazing that the other first world countries don't have this problem. Why haven't they "fallen"?

 

[ivwshane]

Amazing that the other first world countries don't have this problem. Why haven't they "fallen"?

Let's see if you feel that way when those governments turn fascist and remove the rights of citizens!

You just wait...any day now.

 

[willstoddard]

I have considered it. I don't have an answer. Perhaps someone more knowledgable of those countries can help explain it. But you must see the control the corporations have on our government. You must see that the populace has no real input anymore. We are one short crisis away from fascism. Or at least the end of the current form of government.

 

[Svnla]

We don't need them for sport or hunting for food. But we must keep them in he hands of those who would stand up against the forces of tyranny. That is the fight over guns. There is a group with enough power and control that they could turn this country into a fascist state and abolish the constitution and individual rights. Tell me you don't feel the undercurrent today and I would say you are willfully ignorant. It is the threat of uprising against their corrupt police forces that keep them at bay and it is the guns that allow it. Without them America will fall sooner than later.

You are a member for 6 years and this is your very first post? Lurker alert!!!!! 😛

 

[waggy]

You didn't answer the other two questions (or if you did it wasn't obvious). Do you carry your gun with you while in your own home? If not, what's your game plan in the scenarios you've created if your gun is on the otherside of the house?

and what if i have on me? then what? we can make up "what if" all day.

Bottom line is i am safer with it then without. I can't relay on the cops to get here. I don't trust the population at large.

So if my gun is never fired at anything more then a paper target thank god!

as someone esle said. I would rather have it and never need it then need it have not have it.

 

[willstoddard]

Wow. I didn't know this app had been around that long. I only recently installed it. And what would it matter? Like I'm spying or something? Paranoid much?

 

[ivwshane]

I have considered it. I don't have an answer. Perhaps someone more knowledgable of those countries can help explain it. But you must see the control the corporations have on our government. You must see that the populace has no real input anymore. We are one short crisis away from fascism. Or at least the end of the current form of government.

And exactly who would you be shooting at? Those corporations are ran by Americans (the ones that have influence here in the US anyways) and the law makers are US citizens who were put into power by other US citizens and the military, guess who that's comprised of? Yep, US citizens.
So which Americans do you plan to ignore our rules/laws/constitutional rights in order to kill?

 

[willstoddard]

The ones that try to trample my rights carrying the banner of their masters.

 

[ivwshane]

and what if i have on me? then what? we can make up "what if" all day.

Bottom line is i am safer with it then without. I can't relay on the cops to get here. I don't trust the population at large.

So if my gun is never fired at anything more then a paper target thank god!

as someone esle said. I would rather have it and never need it then need it have not have it.

If you'd have your gun on/near you 100% of the time I'd say your "what if" scenarios, THAT YOU CREATED, makes sense but since you can't answer the question directly, I'll assume you, like many gun nutters, you are full of shit and only create "what if" scenarios when it fits your agenda. You'll note that when I proposed the exact opposite of a previous posters "what if" scenario you guys couldn't even fathom the possibility and your defense was even more "what if" scenarios.

Like I said, talking to gun nutters is an exercise in futility. It's already been pointed out that more deaths happen via accident in households with guns than does in households without guns so I'm not sure how one can logically safe they are safer with a gun than without.

 

[willstoddard]

Can't you see there would have been no America without guns. They are what allowed us to gain our independence.

 

[ivwshane]

The ones that try to trample my rights carrying the banner of their masters.

And which rights would those be? And who in government/businesses are currently "trampling" on those rights?

 

[ivwshane]

Can't you see there would have been no America without guns. They are what allowed us to gain our independence.

Undoubtedly! Do we not still have our independence? Do we not have the largest standing army in the world to protect our independence?

 

[willstoddard]

Look. I don't own a gun. But I recognize the need to have an armed militia. If you don't see our rights are being taken away, you are blind.

 

[soundforbjt]

Look. I don't own a gun. But I recognize the need to have an armed militia. If you don't see our rights are being taken away, you are blind.

Who's going to command this armed militia?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

We don't need them for sport or hunting for food. But we must keep them in he hands of those who would stand up against the forces of tyranny. That is the fight over guns. There is a group with enough power and control that they could turn this country into a fascist state and abolish the constitution and individual rights. Tell me you don't feel the undercurrent today and I would say you are willfully ignorant. It is the threat of uprising against their corrupt police forces that keep them at bay and it is the guns that allow it. Without them America will fall sooner than later.

If it were to come to armed rebellion, how effective do you think your collection of firearms will be against the weaponry of the United States military forces? They have tanks, helicopters, jets, submarines and nuclear warheads... and you think the threat of some Berettas and AR-15s is keeping them at bay? That's delusional paranoia so thick and rich I want to bottle it and sell it as pancake syrup.

 

[willstoddard]

George Washington's great great great grand son. Ha ha , seriously, the brave who speak up on behalf of the masses usually.

 

[ivwshane]

Look. I don't own a gun. But I recognize the need to have an armed militia. If you don't see our rights are being taken away, you are blind.

Well then show me the light brother! Surely if I'm unaware of such an atrocity I need to be made aware. So please, what rights will you kill your fellow Americans over and who is currently trampling on those rights?

 

[RampantAndroid]

I'm guessing it's because buying a gun legally is easier than buying explosives legally.

Not really. To buy guns, you need to fill out a couple of forms and often have a waiting period. To buy tannerite, you need to just pick how much and pay. It shows up a week later. Pour parts A and B into container, shake and you have an explosive that's around the same as straight up TNT. It's a felony to transport it once mixed, but that wouldn't stop a criminal. There are videos of 100+ pounds of tannerite being set off, and there's a mushroom cloud. Pack some gasoline in with the tannerite and you've got something pretty nasty. I do not want to think what a van full of mixed tannerite and gas cans would look like when going off.

You don't need one to buy a gun either.

This:

They do make you fill out a form, and dependng upon where you live you might have a waiting period before actually getting it. And they won't sell legally to someone that is a felon.

It's not as easy as people make it out to be. It's easier for me since I have a concealed pistol license, but the license takes a couple months of background checks to get.

 

[BoberFett]

then i think you have a limited imagination on what you can do..

I think we all know ivwshane has limited brain capacity for autonomic functions, much less imagination or other higher functions.

 

[BoberFett]

Not really. To buy guns, you need to fill out a couple of forms and often have a waiting period. To buy tannerite, you need to just pick how much and pay. It shows up a week later. Pour parts A and B into container, shake and you have an explosive that's around the same as straight up TNT. It's a felony to transport it once mixed, but that wouldn't stop a criminal. There are videos of 100+ pounds of tannerite being set off, and there's a mushroom cloud. Pack some gasoline in with the tannerite and you've got something pretty nasty. I do not want to think what a van full of mixed tannerite and gas cans would look like when going off.

Toss in nails or ball bearings and you've got yourself a party.

 

[ivwshane]

Not really. To buy guns, you need to fill out a couple of forms and often have a waiting period. To buy tannerite, you need to just pick how much and pay. It shows up a week later. Pour parts A and B into container, shake and you have an explosive that's around the same as straight up TNT. It's a felony to transport it once mixed, but that wouldn't stop a criminal. There are videos of 100+ pounds of tannerite being set off, and there's a mushroom cloud. Pack some gasoline in with the tannerite and you've got something pretty nasty. I do not want to think what a van full of mixed tannerite and gas cans would look like when going off.



This:



It's not as easy as people make it out to be. It's easier for me since I have a concealed pistol license, but the license takes a couple months of background checks to get.

You have to fill out forms!

What you said was true but the part you didn't factor in was the ignition. Tannerite requires a velocity impact to set it off. Since we are playing fantasy and in my fantasy guns are removed from the equation then that pretty much leaves blasting caps. That's another complication to the equation. Again, it's not easier than a gun.

 

[ivwshane]

I think we all know ivwshane has limited brain capacity for autonomic functions, much less imagination or other higher functions.

Another quality post!




/s

 

[Fenixgoon]

If it were to come to armed rebellion, how effective do you think your collection of firearms will be against the weaponry of the United States military forces? They have tanks, helicopters, jets, submarines and nuclear warheads... and you think the threat of some Berettas and AR-15s is keeping them at bay? That's delusional paranoia so thick and rich I want to bottle it and sell it as pancake syrup.

how's everything working out in afghanistan? pretty damned well.

besides, if that actually happened, i think you'd find that a large % of the US armed forces would be loyal to the people, not the government.

 

[RampantAndroid]

You have to fill out forms!

What you said was true but the part you didn't factor in was the ignition. Tannerite requires a velocity impact to set it off. Since we are playing fantasy and in my fantasy guns are removed from the equation then that pretty much leaves blasting caps. That's another complication to the equation. Again, it's not easier than a gun.

If you're going to do some research, why not be thorough? Tannerite slowly becomes unstable once mixed due to the moisture in the air. Adding water to Tannerite will push it to the point of either letting a firecracker set it off easily...or it just going off by being bumped.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosive_material#Hygroscopicity_and_water_resistance

how's everything working out in afghanistan? pretty damned well.

besides, if that actually happened, i think you'd find that a large % of the US armed forces would be loyal to the people, not the government.

Exactly: some soldiers will not open fire on civilians, and may in fact commandeer equipment and ordinance to join the civilians. Moreover, why on earth would go into the open to go toe to toe with a tank? Guerrilla warfare...