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Do these guys look like police to you?

Markbnj

Markbnj

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Saw this image in a NYPost article about the future of drone technology. This is a pic of the Montgomery County, TX SWAT team with their new drone:

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Drone? lol, it's just a gasoline engine remote controlled helicopter with a camera on the front.
 
Yes, the new militarized gestapo jackbooted thug LEO. The army being created because the government fears free citizens.
 
Thebobo said:
Little boys want to grow up and play army.
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pretty much I'd say.

Look, we're not in a war zone and trying to look cool.

Unfortunately, taxpayers dollars are still funding that stupid shit.

Go do something useful, seriously, we're funding this crap.

More BS.

Cheney all ready established that long ago with Halliburton, so any righties bitching about it get over it.

Americas SS troops, even if they did change names.

Just more people with dumb ass jobs that shouldn't have one probably off taxpayers right there.
 
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WelshBloke said:
What? When people refer to drones they aren't just talking about the big military ones armed with missiles.
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Yea I know, it's just funny to me because I sold RC helicopters for years, and it's just funny seeing them called "drones".
 
Do they look like police? nope. they look like guys wanting to play army.

sadly though shit like this is just going to get worse. with the government giving away tanks, personal carriers etc. to police forces big and small. they are going to have to have swat teams to justify having such equipment. then they will have to find a use for such equipment.
 
Um. It's SWAT. While I have no practical experience here, I thought the general assumption was that they are the most well-trained, well-equipped officers due to their general job description (defusing the worst situations, commonly with deadly force). And I think, at least in larger departments, it's a full-time thing where a militaristic regimen of learn/train/combat is the norm; it's not like an army infantryman has to simultaneously perform the duties of MP's.

It only makes sense that they will gradually adopt newer military technology. No one is angry over the fact that most departments use either 5.56 AR's or german submachine guns. So why grumble over a more aestetically 'military' appearance due to the use of military-based MOLLE gear and plate carriers? Or armored vehicles? Does a SWAT rolling up in a military truck instead of the old armored breadtruck really change anything?

Likewise: drones. RC drones are a cheap/effective/safe method of intelligence-gathering. They have a very specialized purpose and could be useful for SWAT resolving an isolated urban or residential incident. They are not for watching you masturbate. Who cares if they have them?
 
waggy said:
Do they look like police? nope. they look like guys wanting to play army.

sadly though shit like this is just going to get worse. with the government giving away tanks, personal carriers etc. to police forces big and small. they are going to have to have swat teams to justify having such equipment. then they will have to find a use for such equipment.
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What.. Like serving Drug Warrants on non violent offenders? :whiste:
 
phucheneh said:
It only makes sense that they will gradually adopt newer military technology.
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It doesn't really make sense to me. There job should be law enforcement, not engaging in combat. For those rare times when a department actually encounters the sort of enemy those officers in the picture are equipped to encounter, I would rather they just secure the area and bring in actual soldiers. I don't like this trend of militarizing police departments at all. I'm no black helicopter bunker patriot. I'm pretty far from that in every way, but this is one stand-out feature of modern society that really worries me.
 
Markbnj said:
It doesn't really make sense to me. There job should be law enforcement, not engaging in combat. For those rare times when a department actually encounters the sort of enemy those officers in the picture are equipped to encounter, I would rather they just secure the area and bring in actual soldiers. I don't like this trend of militarizing police departments at all. I'm no black helicopter bunker patriot. I'm pretty far from that in every way, but this is one stand-out feature of modern society that really worries me.
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I tend to agree, but I'm pretty sure using soldiers for civilian operations is strictly banned. Something to do with protecting civilians from military domination.
 
Nothing new here. Years ago when I lived in North Carolina I was coming back from a state park toward the main highway when I rounded a curve and it looked like about 20 special forces guys at a road block. Nah, it was just part of the Gaston County swat team. Just a quickie DWI, insurance/license check to go through.
 
JManInPhoenix said:
Nothing new here. Years ago when I lived in North Carolina I was coming back from a state park toward the main highway when I rounded a curve and it looked like about 20 special forces guys at a road block. Nah, it was just part of the Gaston County swat team. Just a quickie DWI, insurance/license check to go through.
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Yep more overpaid, idiots, more or less.

Suck up my tax collars playing with a remote controlled helicopter, go team.
 
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Markbnj said:
It doesn't really make sense to me. There job should be law enforcement, not engaging in combat. For those rare times when a department actually encounters the sort of enemy those officers in the picture are equipped to encounter, I would rather they just secure the area and bring in actual soldiers. I don't like this trend of militarizing police departments at all. I'm no black helicopter bunker patriot. I'm pretty far from that in every way, but this is one stand-out feature of modern society that really worries me.
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NO! No no no!

It might be a fine line, but never, EVER accept the idea of letting our military turn their weapons on our own citizens for crimes that are not against the State in a national security sort of way.

That is why we have our distinction between police and military. Our military is strictly for enemies of the state, both foreign and domestic.
Our police are for law enforcement.

Unless those criminals cross from being offenders of the law into cooking up plans to do illegal things against government itself, then it is judicial issue that should be carried out with sworn officers of the law, not military.

We have militarized police so that they can respond to those who break laws but also have no problem defending their interests. It still doesn't cross into "enemy of the state" territory if they want to get into firefights with police who respond to their unlawful activities. If they go about hunting police, it turns different. Still not an enemy of the state situation, you just start bringing in the Federal lawmen instead of the locals and staties.


Do understand I am playing the advocate here. I'm with the other humble patriots in their disgust with the trend toward a police state. I'd just rather argue for a healthy balance. There IS a place for militarized police.
 
The military does not train for hostage situation.
The military does not routinely train how to infiltrate buildings held by criminals - they expect enemy combatants.

It makes sense to have heavily equipped police forces. Especially, if criminals are also getting more organized and resourceful.

And as others said, in a crisis situation a surveillance drone is worth a lot, as it's much cheaper than sending up a fully equipped helicopter, while also being stealthier and is almost dispensable, which may allow for a better assessment of the situation.
It's also less threatening, than a circling helo.

I don't really get the green uniforms and green vehicle, black is more effective in most situations.
 
_Rick_ said:
The military does not train for hostage situation.
The military does not routinely train how to infiltrate buildings held by criminals - they expect enemy combatants.

It makes sense to have heavily equipped police forces. Especially, if criminals are also getting more organized and resourceful.

And as others said, in a crisis situation a surveillance drone is worth a lot, as it's much cheaper than sending up a fully equipped helicopter, while also being stealthier and is almost dispensable, which may allow for a better assessment of the situation.
It's also less threatening, than a circling helo.

I don't really get the green uniforms and green vehicle, black is more effective in most situations.
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This


I would rather have swat dealing with things like Cartels than military assets and a beat cop going up against AK47s doesnt work out too well.
 
Police budgets get increased every year. Any time a city council says "no" then the police go out to the constituents and tell the constituents that they will need to fire 10 officers from the force to make budget if there's no increase. Constituents get scared/angry, and call their city council. City council changes its mind out of fear of pissing off voters, and the police get their new toys.
 
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