Do the religious hate athiests in America?

[ch33zw1z]

You guys love to ask question after question.. without answering other peoples questions --just answer the question -- You guys love to argue harm, so what "harm" are you personally experiencing due to this?

It harms all non believers psychologically, making them feel unwelcome in a nation they contribute to.

It harms relations between believers and non believers, by creating a sense of "for us or against", instead of being a united nation of people with the same goal in mind.

Now, what good does it do. Not what good did it do, because it wasn't always on there...then it must've been added because people (Christians) felt it would do some good.

So, answer the question.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I did get a load of the guy -- he is correct!!

Cancer doesn't go away on it's own.

 

[pcgeek11]

What Good is it doing?

What harm is it doing?

 

[pcgeek11]

get the fuck out of here. you're fooling yourself if you think any other God than the Christian God is implied.

http://www.treasury.gov/about/education/Pages/in-god-we-trust.aspx

God is a generic term as I have already shown. You just have a hangup about it and want to inflict yourself on everyone else.

Because it doesn't belong on national currency. And it wasn't there to begin with.

Prove what good it is doing...

There are a lot of thiings here that were not here to begin with. Do you think we should get rid of them all?

Your logic sucks.

I don't have to prove shit. They are words on a piece of paper. What harm is it doing?

I can play your stupid game too.

 

[pcgeek11]

lol, it's my Christian upbringing coming out. You gotta crusade for what you believe in, right?



So separation of Church and State means nothing to you because you don't disagree with it.

The state is not advocating any one religion with the phrase " In God We Trust ". There are many many religions that believe in God in one form or another.

You guys love to argue how it doesn't harm anyone. Well, what good does it do to have it on there?

It is there and isn't hurting anyone. Some need to get the stick out of their collective asses.

so sad. All aboard the religion pushing train, because it's what some people believe in. Who cares about the rest of us, pay your taxes and stfu.

I think you just need something to bitch about to make you feel important. You need to pick a better subject. You are outnumbered on this and will continue to lose for the forseeable future.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The state is not advocating any one religion with the phrase " In God We Trust ". There are many many religions that believe in God in one form or another.

http://www.treasury.gov/about/education/Pages/in-god-we-trust.aspx

It is there and isn't hurting anyone. Some need to get the stick out of their collective asses.

Agreed, Christians could do well by relaxing a bit.

I think you just need something to bitch about to make you feel important. You need to pick a better subject. You are outnumbered on this and will continue to lose for the forseeable future.

Yea, that's me. Looking for things to complain about.

 

[IronWing]

What harm is it doing?

It is using a collective "we" in an inappropriate manner. There is no state interest in projecting a unified statement about a trust in a god.

 

[ch33zw1z]

God is a generic term as I have already shown. You just have a hangup about and want to inflict yourself on everyone else.

http://www.treasury.gov/about/education/Pages/in-god-we-trust.aspx

Lies are not what Christianity is about.

There are a lot of thiings here that were not here to begin with. Do you think we should get rid of them all?

Other things are not the topic, start another thread with specifics.

Your logic sucks.

Your logic is typical Christian mindset: "It's just the way it is, don't question it."

I don't have to prove shit. They are words on a piece of paper. What harm is it doing?

I can play your stupid game too.

I stated what harm it's doing. So now you don't want to answer. Go figure.

 

[pcgeek11]

It harms all non believers psychologically, making them feel unwelcome in a nation they contribute to.

Then you need to go and build your own nation. If that little bit of in on a paper or coin is disturbing you and causing psychological damage you may want to invest in a psychiatrist. Serious, you must be pretty mentally unstable.

It harms relations between believers and non believers, by creating a sense of "for us or against", instead of being a united nation of people with the same goal in mind.

What harms relations between believers and non believers is the sort of crap going on in this thread from athiest. "for us or against" Really, what are you doing? Exactly that! Hypocrite.

Now, what good does it do. Not what good did it do, because it wasn't always on there...then it must've been added because people (Christians) felt it would do some good.

So, answer the question.

I never said that it did anything one way or another. It most certainly does not do any harm. Unless you are a little mental and looking at the words and becoming fixated to the point that it causes you harm psychologically. You said that it harms ALL Non Believers? Really? All? Did they elect you to speak for them all? I call bull shit.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Then you need to go and build your own nation. If that little bit of in on a paper or coin is disturbing you and causing psychological damage you may want to invest in a psychiatrist. Serious, you must be pretty mentally unstable.

So if it's not such a big deal, then it won't hurt anyone to remove it. Glad we agree

What harms relations between believers and non believers is the sort of crap going on in this thread from athiest. "for us or against" Really, what are you doing? Exactly that! Hypocrite.

Right, don't challenge christians, it makes you a hypocrite. Again, you're sole point is that it's not a big deal, then it wouldn't matter to you if it was removed. Glad we agree.

I always lol when a Christian calls me a hypocrite. Out of all the Christians I've know and met, only a handful weren't hypocrites.

I never said that it did anything one way or another. It most certainly does not do any harm. Unless you are a little mental and looking at the words and becoming fixated to the point that it causes you harm psychologically. You said that it harms ALL Non Believers? Really? All? Did they elect you to speak for them all? I call bull shit.

Again, glad we agree that it can be removed since it's not such a big deal to you.

Speak for all atheists? Hardly, but I would wager if you bring this up to atheists that the majority would like to see it removed.

I'm very glad that you and I agree, it should be removed.

 

[pcgeek11]

http://www.treasury.gov/about/education/Pages/in-god-we-trust.aspx

Lies are not what Christianity is about.

Please point out where I lied!

Other things are not the topic, start another thread with specifics.

It was your logic that stated thet it was not there to begin with so we should get rid of it. I pointed out how your logic was flawed.

Your logic is typical Christian mindset: "It's just the way it is, don't question it."

I never said that. I said that believers OUTNUMBER you and wish to keep it on the currency. And will for the foreseeable future. Sorry for your loss, well actually I am not sorry.

I stated what harm it's doing. So now you don't want to answer. Go figure.

I never said it did anything. It is a phrase that was placed on the currency to display our heritage and relationship to a God. No matter how much it pains you we started as a religious nation. And you athiest are a very tiny minority. Maybe one day you will overcome, but not today or in the near future.

The truth hurts sometimes.

 

[pcgeek11]

So if it's not such a big deal, then it won't hurt anyone to remove it. Glad we agree




Right, don't challenge christians, it makes you a hypocrite. Again, you're sole point is that it's not a big deal, then it wouldn't matter to you if it was removed. Glad we agree.

I always lol when a Christian calls me a hypocrite. Out of all the Christians I've know and met, only a handful weren't hypocrites.



Again, glad we agree that it can be removed since it's not such a big deal to you.

Speak for all atheists? Hardly, but I would wager if you bring this up to atheists that the majority would like to see it removed.

I'm very glad that you and I agree, it should be removed.

No. Wrong on all counts.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Please point out where I lied!

That link gives the history, it specifies Christianity as the driving force. It's not vague, In God We Trust was Christian motivated.

"It could mean any God" = Lie.

It was your logic that stated thet it was not there to begin with so we should get rid of it. I pointed out how your logic was flawed.

the truth hurts sometimes. It wasn't there to begin with, it's directly Christian motivated, and you alread agree it's inconsequential. Sooo glad we agree it should be removed.

I never said that. I said that believers OUTNUMBER you and wish to keep it on the currency. And will for the foreseeable future. Sorry for your loss, well actually I am not sorry.

Why would you be sorry? I don't really care how many believers want it, there's non believers in this country as well. Putting "In God We Trust" on money was directly Christian motivated and should not be represetative of a nation who believes in Separation of Church and State.

But why would you care, since you align with the religion it's supporting.

I never said it did anything. It is a phrase that was placed on the currency to display our heritage and relationship to a God. No matter how much it pains you we started as a religious nation. And you athiest are a very tiny minority. Maybe one day you will overcome, but not today or in the near future.

The truth hurts sometimes.

So let's live in the past, and just wait for the second coming of Christ. Sounds like a plan.

 

[ch33zw1z]

No. Wrong on all counts.

lol, sure buddy. TLDR for u?

 

[ch33zw1z]

It is using a collective "we" in an inappropriate manner. There is no state interest in projecting a unified statement about a trust in a god.

/discussion.

 

[pcgeek11]

That link gives the history, it specifies Christianity as the driving force. It's not vague, In God We Trust was Christian motivated.

"It could mean any God" = Lie.

The country was founded as a Christian nation. The original push was based on Christianity as that was the Vast majority in the nation at that time. But God is not locked into only Christianity. I did not lie.

the truth hurts sometimes. It wasn't there to begin with, it's directly Christian motivated, and you already agree it's inconsequential. Sooo glad we agree it should be removed.

I did not agree with you about much of anything. Those voices in your head acting up again? I never said it was "it's inconsequential". I said it is nothing for you to get frothing at the mouth over basically.

Why would you be sorry? I don't really care how many believers want it, there's non believers in this country as well. Putting "In God We Trust" on money was directly Christian motivated and should not be represetative of a nation who believes in Separation of Church and State.

But why would you care, since you align with the religion it's supporting.

You said:
" I don't really care how many believers want it, there's non believers in this country as well."

Maybe we feel the same about you Non-believers. When you become a majority maybe you will change it.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." and Article VI specifies that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

I don't see where the phrase on money violates the Separation of church and state.

That phrase doesn't state one religion or another. Again you don't read very well. "In God We Trust".

So let's live in the past, and just wait for the second coming of Christ. Sounds like a plan.

Looks like you're stuck for now huh!

 

[Retro Rob]

So if it's not such a big deal, then it won't hurt anyone to remove it. Glad we agree.

Fwiw, I agree that it doesn't affect me one bit if it's removed. I just would like to know what, if any, affect can it have on you and are you able to demonstrate this.

 

[dank69]

Huh? It sounds like you're saying: "I don't really need eyes to see, I just wouldn't see without them".

Either that or I am completely missing you here.

Yes, you are missing me here.

Your only defense is "can", not "does".

You are completely retarded. People talk to their neighbors all the time, and not about religion. Why is this even an argument? Do you honestly believe neighbors don't talk to each other unless they open by preaching? I mean, wtf man?

LOL -- coming from a guy who just, in this very reply, labeled all preachers as "righteous".

How ironic of you.

This is why you are worthless when it comes to discussions. You don't know which way is up. Saying I don't like jackasses that do some things OR make a big show about how righteous they are becomes in your warped mind "all preachers are righteous." You aren't even worth having a conversation with.

I'm sure they do. So what?

I know it is difficult for you to follow a train of thought so let me dumb it down to a third grade level so you can understand. You think you know what's right for other people. Muslims cutting peoples heads off for drinking alcohol think they know what's right for other people. See the similarities? You both think you know what is right for other people, and you are both batshit insane.

And what purpose would that be?

To "save" other people. You want to really save people? Become an EMT or a fireman.

Really? You must be annoyed. Tough apples. Stop getting so emotional about it, it's not gonna kill you.

Yes, your stupidity is painful for me.

 

[Retro Rob]

The country was founded as a Christian nation. The original push was based on Christianity as that was the Vast majority in the nation at that time. But God is not locked into only Christianity.

I don't think so. IIRC, some of the Founders were Deists and even denounced Christianity.

They're the majority religion, but I don't agree that we ever were a "Christian Nation".

 

[ch33zw1z]

The country was founded as a Christian nation. The original push was based on Christianity as that was the Vast majority in the nation at that time. But God is not locked into only Christianity. I did not lie.

First you try to say that "In God We Trust" means any God, now it's our nation is a Christian nation. You sir, are a liar. Intentionally presenting the God in "In God We Trust" to mean anyone's God. When, in fact, you know that's not the case.

I did not agree with you about much of anything. Those voices in your head acting up again? I never said it was "it's inconsequential". I said it is nothing for you to get frothing at the mouth over basically.

So it won't matter if it's removed then? Cool. glad we agree.

You said:
" I don't really care how many believers want it, there's non believers in this country as well."

Maybe we feel the same about you Non-believers. When you become a majority maybe you will change it.

Right, when non believers become the majority then we can change it. Fortunately for us, USA's religious influence is shrinking. And while this will definitely take a back seat (because it really isn't a big deal), other items will be at the forefront...and should be

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." and Article VI specifies that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

I don't see where the phrase on money violates the Separation of church and state.

So our government doesn't produce this money?

That phrase doesn't state one religion or another. Again you don't read very well. "In God We Trust".

Still on this? Yea, sure...they meant buddha.

Looks like you're stuck for now huh!

Wow, another selfish, childish, and smug Christian. Haven't seen one of those before.


edit: Oh, isn't it great how no one has answered this question: What good does it do?

 

[Retro Rob]

Yes, you are missing me here.

Thanks.

You are completely retarded. People talk to their neighbors all the time, and not about religion. Why is this even an argument? Do you honestly believe neighbors don't talk to each other unless they open by preaching? I mean, wtf man

I don't recall saying they didn't. There is a difference between bringing out the benefits of something, and saying "X" wouldn't happen without that something, which I never implied, and why you're getting mad and burning your own strawman down.

I cannot see how you cannot understand your own fallacy.

You aren't even worth having a conversation with.

Tell me more.

You think you know what's right for other people.

I think you're trolling, because you obviously cannot read english. I never said I know what's right for other people, I said this, as pertaining to that specific point:

it can be selfless if you're looking to impart what you think is good information

Imparting "good information" isn't "knowing what's right" for other people. A doctor recommending a fat-free diet isn't telling the world what right for them, but he believes that its good to know, so he volunteers it.

You're getting very emotional, and thus, less rational.

Muslims cutting peoples heads off for drinking alcohol think they know what's right for other people. See the similarities?

so again...so what?

 

[ch33zw1z]

I don't think so. IIRC, some of the Founders were Deists and even denounced Christianity.

They're the majority religion, but I don't agree that we ever were a "Christian Nation".

Cmon, don't rain on his parade. He and Incorruptable were just about to start ranting about the war on Christmas.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Fwiw, I agree that it doesn't affect me one bit if it's removed.

Cool.

I just would like to know what, if any, affect can it have on you and are you able to demonstrate this.

I stated what harms I believe it causes towards the top of this page (assuming you're on 100 posts per page)

I believe focusing, as a nation, less on our differences and more on our similarities is going to become more important in the future.

To me, In God We Trust started out in the same way. Unifying a country of people who believe in a Christian God, although not a Christian nation. Times have changed, and less people are still clinging to their old beliefs just for the sake of not changing.

I believe for our nation to grow and keep up with the world, we will need to continue shedding our burdensome Christian orientation. In God We Trust is a relic of our past. Printed on our coins for the Union North, and on our paper money during the Cold War.

I know we've gone way off topic, and this has been brought up before, but the same goes for "under God" in our Pledge of Allegiance.

 

[ch33zw1z]

How so??
Where is the pressure? Your implying that saying anything involves some form of pressure.....
I am saying that it depends on the intent of the person saying it.....

Just remember, Satan loves you just as much.

 

[alzan]

I was bringing up the public aspect of it. I was wondering how a person can be against one public action, while being for another one...with neither one bringing any harm to anyone.

I didn't say it was. But Jesus did call religious leaders "vipers" back then. Sometimes, being honest means being blunt.

Then you don't "ban" (for lack of a better term) everyone from preaching. If the harm is serious enough, you deal with the direct cause...which is that particular message.

It doesn't matter when its said -- the fact that its said is what I was addressing.

Well, I will be clear. What if reading it in a book causes me "psychological harm"... can we then censor opinions about the existence of God because people are harmed by it?

You're reading the book by choice; if "offended" by something written in the book then you shouldn't be reading it. Unfortunately with public and unbidden preaching the choice is taken away.

Honestly, if your faith can't stand up to scrutiny and/or ridicule then it's not much of a faith.