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Do 'stoners' ever kill people or cause violence to get their 'fix'?

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TechBoyJK said:
I smoked it a bunch in high school. Still managed a 3.9 gpa.

Every once in a while in my 20's.

I'd be lying if I said I 'never' smoke it. Will I in the future? Maybe. I'm not around many people smoke it anymore and none of the girls I like to date are into it. I don't see it as being any more harmful than drinking a soda, so if I want to I will.

It's just not something that's part of my daily routine. I just think it's a travesty that it's illegal in spite of all the harms that prohibition causes and how harmless the drug itself is. I come from a family of teacher's, and I think education is key. All of that prohibition money could be going to the school systems and other meaningful programs.

That's why I'm so adamant about it. Marijuana prohibition is a giant waste of money. It should be regulated, taxed, and educated against, but that's it. No more, no less. Free up the courts and prison systems, let the cops focus on real crimes, and stop impeding on personal liberties.
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That's cool. I didn't mean anything by the question (gave up the herb huh?). I always thought I had you pegged as a fellow AT user...but I think I'm still in good company nonetheless 🙂
 
JeffreyLebowski said:
However you want to justify it, you're smoking pot to get an artifical high because you either live a dull boring life, or are unable to cope with life through normal means.
Needing pot, alcohol, ect to make you feel better is a sign that you have deeper psycological issues.
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or it relieves my abdominal pain and enhances my already awesome life. ps everyone is seeking a high of some sort and we all take different roads for it. praykng, fucking, smoking, eating, running, etc. if you aren't trying to get high then you aren't living.


intoxication isn't bad, inebriation is what leads people to do stupid shit. many things can make you intoxicated that most people don't consider drugs. like those I listed above. have you never been intoxicated by a sun set? if not, I am sad for you
 
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JeffreyLebowski said:
However you want to justify it, you're smoking pot to get an artifical high because you either live a dull boring life, or are unable to cope with life through normal means.
Needing pot, alcohol, ect to make you feel better is a sign that you have deeper psycological issues.
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You need a new user name.
 
sao123 said:
Here is your reasoned rational responce...

all forms of intoxication form all substances are immoral and to be condemned, obey it or GFTO of my country.
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You've got to be fucking kidding me? Even I think that's insanity, what does intoxication have to do with morality?
 
zinfamous said:
You sound like me in High school; a self-righteous, ignorant sod.

Do you plan to go through life, bathed in such monumental ignorance, or will you ever simply accept that there are things out there for which you know nothing, and are completely unqualified to comment?
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Oof, were you really such an uptight irrepressible prick?
 
Saint Nick said:
That's cool. I didn't mean anything by the question (gave up the herb huh?). I always thought I had you pegged as a fellow AT user...but I think I'm still in good company nonetheless 🙂
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Well like I said, I don't see any harm in it, and I don't have any real reason 'not to' other than that I'm busy and I don't have time for really enjoying it. It's not part of my routine and the girl I'm dating right now didn't grow up around it so I'm trying to avoid it somewhat.

There's been points in my life that I was literally stoned the entire month. I had easy access, the free time, and not much responsibility, so I took advantage of it.
 
Sao's not only completely delusional, he's a monumental prick about it as well, not unlike most penguins fans I know 😉
 
sao123 said:
Lets debunk the myth that marijuana makes people non-voilent right now:

everyone wants to point to the netherlands as an example of how decriminalization will reduce crime rates... what they forget to tell you is, what about the top 10-11 other countrys where marijuana is legalized/decriminalized/not enforced

1)Argentina
2)Cambodia
3)Costa Rica
4)Equador
5)India
6)Jamaica
7)Mexico
8)Pakistan
9)Peru
10)Portugal
11)Uruguay

hows that working out for you?
Over 1/2 of these countrys are in the top 20 for violent crimes rates per/capita...
Only a single first world country, and only 2 of those 11 have lower violent crime rates per capita than the US does now.
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so.... you're saying that marijuana legalization and crime rates are not correllated? because that's what the data's saying...
 
SaDiZTiKStyLeZ said:
I've seen many angry potheads when the dealer is taking too long & they can't get their fix.
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You can say that for anything.

I've seen many angry 'food eaters' when the restaurant is taking too long and they can't satisfy their hunger.

I've seen many angry 'music consumers' when the concert is taking too long to start and they can't satisfy their music cravings.

I've seen many angry 'skiers' when the ski lift was taking to long and they can't get satisfy their adrenaline needs.

etc. etc.

People may get angry when they can't do something they want to do.

People may get violent when they can't do something they 'need' to do.

I'm not discounting that their are addictive personalities that rely way to heavily on feeling stoned, and this group could potentially produce a few nut cases that will cut a throat to get high, gut that's an anomaly, not an anticipated result.
 
So.... sao123 is insane or just jonesing?

There is no doubt that it alters your mind, no one is arguing that it doesn't, the question is, is it as bad or worse than alcohol and the answer is no.

In combination they can have quite a strange effect on people though, don't drink heavy and then smoke, i've seen minds altered that way, one who had to be shot to avoid injury to others.
 
Amazing article in the Huffington Post from a former politician who used to favor pot prohibition.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathanmiller/the-moral-case-for-legali_b_1199242.html

Criminal Justice

There's no conclusive evidence that marijuana use or abuse leads to violent crime; indeed, the pacifying nature of the drug would seem to indicate the contrary. Yet there have been more than 20 million arrests for marijuana-related crimes in the U.S. since 1965, taxing our already over-crowded corrections system. Not only is there a moral question associated with locking someone up for a victimless crime, there's a significant economic dimension: In my home state of Kentucky, it costs taxpayers $19,000 a year to imprison one inmate. Incarcerating nonviolent pot smokers and distributors, accordingly, costs American taxpayers tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of dollars annually -- money that's desperately needed for essential social services. A significant slice of corrections funding could instead be freed for proven, effective drug treatment programs (such as this outstanding peer-mentoring model) that truly tackle the problem of drug dependence and empower addicts to take control of their lives.

Mere decriminalization of marijuana use would seem to help address our corrections crisis. But it would do little to mitigate the horrible violence associated with cannabis trafficking by organized crime cartels here and murderous drug gangs in Mexico. The creation of a legal, domestic marijuana industry -- fully regulated like alcohol to ensure a safe product and to prohibit sales to minors -- would cut off the financial lifeline that empowers gangs to disrupt our streets and threaten our southern border.
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sao123 said:
Here is your reasoned rational responce...

all forms of intoxication form all substances are immoral and to be condemned, obey it or GFTO of my country.
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Your country? Oh, how little you know.

The pilgrims that you love so much survived by drinking Ale on their mayflower, not water.

The very first building built in this country--both at Jamestown and at Plymouth, were breweries.

There is no US history without forms of intoxication.

what an ignorant and obtuse puss bucket you are.

This country tried prohibition, only to disastrous effects. To ignore the history that already exists and can be examined, is to be profoundly ignorant.
 
darkswordsman17 said:
Oof, were you really such an uptight irrepressible prick?
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I was like that about alcohol; not so much about pot (even though I stayed away from all forms of mind-altering substances until college). Many times I have looked back at myself at that time and am astonished that I was able to keep a good stable of friends, b/c I really was such an unforgiving dick.

I don't honestly know if I was as stupid, sheltered, and ill-informed as this assclown, but it wouldn't shock me.
 
zinfamous said:
Your country? Oh, how little you know.

The pilgrims that you love so much survived by drinking Ale on their mayflower, not water.

The very first building built in this country--both at Jamestown and at Plymouth, were breweries.

There is no US history without forms of intoxication.

what an ignorant and obtuse puss bucket you are.

This country tried prohibition, only to disastrous effects. To ignore the history that already exists and can be examined, is to be profoundly ignorant.
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according to SAO, prohibition was only disastrous because it was poorly implemented and today it is working fine.
 
Saint Nick said:
You need a new user name.
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hehe, I must have made that response several times to J Lebowski's posts. His opinions on the subject are criminal, considering his chosen namesake.

Or, maybe he intends to evoke the other Lebowski?

:hmm:

If so, he really needs to be locked on that avatar. :colbert:

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