Do 'stoners' ever kill people or cause violence to get their 'fix'?

[bfdd]

AreaCode707 I do not support those assholes who do that shit. They need to be stopped.

 

[AreaCode707]

AreaCode707 I do not support those assholes who do that shit. They need to be stopped.

Yep. Buy local or grow your own. I don't smoke/vaporize and never will, but I'm not fanatically illogically anti-pot. I just don't like that our town went from #1 best place to live in California in 1996 to a downslide on the way to total shithole in 2011, mostly due to illegal growers and our reputation as a pot culture. I can't drive to town without passing tons of transients up here for the 420.

 

[bfdd]

Yep. Buy local or grow your own. I don't smoke/vaporize and never will, but I'm not fanatically illogically anti-pot. I just don't like that our town went from #1 best place to live in California in 1996 to a downslide on the way to total shithole in 2011, mostly due to illegal growers and our reputation as a pot culture. I can't drive to town without passing tons of transients up here for the 420.

Encourage you and your locals to take your land back. Take up arms and drive them out, fuck the Government do it yourselves. Hell you would probably get a lot of backing here in California.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

the cheap pot exported from Mendocino County

there's the problem. get the good stuff from humboldt. also, OR and WA have high grade too :thumbsup:

seriously tho, the illicit trade is far more damaging than the contraband itself. and that contraband is far less damaging than legal options.

welcome to america, where corruption and fraud are so prevalent they are the accepted norm.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

cause violence

yes.

The upheaval of an awakening of personal responsibility is something that the unholy alliance of moneyed interests and the religiously intolerant called the "republican party" has, by upholding prohibition, caused. People who self-medicate with marijuana (and I've never met anyone that smokes regularly that isn't doing this) have to add to an under-ground economy that, indeed, leads to violence.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Not regular stoners but drinkers who smoke can get quite irrational and take things one step too far.

Don't mix the two or preferably, if you have to do one, do either in moderation.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

yes.

The upheaval of an awakening of personal responsibility is something that the unholy alliance of moneyed interests and the religiously intolerant called the "republican party" has, by upholding prohibition, caused. People who self-medicate with marijuana (and I've never met anyone that smokes regularly that isn't doing this) have to add to an under-ground economy that, indeed, leads to violence.

Self medications, whether it is opiates, alcohol or marijuana is rarely a good idea.

 

[sao123]

Does anybody know of any instances in history where a 'stoner' killed someone just to get a marijuana fix?

user SAO123, in reply to a comment that was refuting his assertion that marijuana causes violence (not because of the drug trade, but because marijuana causes the users to be violent), stated the following



Has anybody ever heard of known of anybody being so addicted to marijuana that they actually killed someone over it? And if so, did that person have an otherwise normal life?

Just curious.

So you had to cross post from the other thread to come here to imply one or more of the following?

1)only rich people smoke pot
2)poor people (who are more likely to steal or kill for their next fix) dont smoke pot, they do harder drugs.
3)people who smoke pot become lethargic enough to not care or do anything.

So you ignore...
1)someone who cant get their pot, hasnt smoked it, and will not be in the harmless lethargic state you claim, and is likely to commit crime to obtain illegally what they cannot obtain legally.
(EG, if pot was legally sold from walmart, walmart would still get robbed by people who cannot afford to buy pot)

2)whether smoking pot is the cause of voilent crime, or merely a correlation of it (eg correlation is not causation), the fact is where one is, the other is. Both are undesirable, and thus i still maintain it would be dangerous to legalize marijuana.

 

[HAL9000]

Not afaik. But I don't know any druggys.

 

[sao123]

Lets debunk the myth that marijuana makes people non-voilent right now:

everyone wants to point to the netherlands as an example of how decriminalization will reduce crime rates... what they forget to tell you is, what about the top 10-11 other countrys where marijuana is legalized/decriminalized/not enforced

1)Argentina
2)Cambodia
3)Costa Rica
4)Equador
5)India
6)Jamaica
7)Mexico
8)Pakistan
9)Peru
10)Portugal
11)Uruguay

hows that working out for you?
Over 1/2 of these countrys are in the top 20 for violent crimes rates per/capita...
Only a single first world country, and only 2 of those 11 have lower violent crime rates per capita than the US does now.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Lets debunk the myth that marijuana makes people non-voilent right now:

everyone wants to point to the netherlands as an example of how decriminalization will reduce crime rates... what they forget to tell you is, what about the top 10-11 other countrys where marijuana is legalized/decriminalized/not enforced

1)Argentina
2)Cambodia
3)Costa Rica
4)Equador
5)India
6)Jamaica
7)Mexico
8)Pakistan
9)Peru
10)Portugal
11)Uruguay

hows that working out for you?
Over 1/2 of these countrys are in the top 20 for violent crimes rates per/capita...
Only a single first world country, and only 2 of those 11 have lower violent crime rates per capita than the US does now.

Wow.. You're arguments are so flawed that it's almost like you don't realize you are trolling. You know the earth isn't flat, right? And you are attempting to tie in a country's overall violence level to the fact that they have lax marijuana laws. You are really trying too hard man. Do you have any proof that their lax marijuana laws are the reason for this? India has come out recently and said the drug war is a failure and the US needs to 'loosen up a bit'. Mexico has a rash of other problems. Pakistan? Pakistan is violent because of pot? Seriously?

 

[sao123]

Wow.. You're arguments are so flawed that it's almost like you don't realize you are trolling. You know the earth isn't flat, right? And you are attempting to tie in a country's overall violence level to the fact that they have lax marijuana laws. You are really trying too hard man. Do you have any proof that their lax marijuana laws are the reason for this? India has come out recently and said the drug war is a failure and the US needs to 'loosen up a bit'. Mexico has a rash of other problems. Pakistan? Pakistan is violent because of pot? Seriously?

if you want legalized pot, you are welcome to GTFO of my United States and move to one of the above 11 countrys...

 

[DirkGently1]

Not that i know of, but they will steal anything that's not tied down as most don't have jobs.

 

[TechBoyJK]

if you want legalized pot, you are welcome to GTFO of my United States and move to one of the above 11 countrys...

LOL.. ok. You realize most polls show that nearly 50% of the pop wants it legalized/decriminalized, right? And over the past 20 years that number keeps climbing towards legalization and has never gone down, right? Within ten years, it should be an overwhelming majority, will be legalized, and you can sit there and frown and expect all out warfare from stoners killing everyone and turning them into zombies.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

So you ignore...
1)someone who cant get their pot, hasnt smoked it, and will not be in the harmless lethargic state you claim, and is likely to commit crime to obtain illegally what they cannot obtain legally.
(EG, if pot was legally sold from walmart, walmart would still get robbed by people who cannot afford to buy pot)

Pot isn't as addictive as heroine, meth, or nicotine. People aren't going crazy and robbing liquor stores to get their pot fix.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Pot isn't as addictive as heroine, meth, or nicotine. People aren't going crazy and robbing liquor stores to get their pot fix.

He seems to think it's an epidemic, yet hasn't posted any links to any events where it is proven that the cause of a robbery was that the perpetrator was doing it because of an insatiable desire to get a fix.

 

[sao123]

LOL.. ok. You realize most polls show that nearly 50% of the pop wants it legalized/decriminalized, right? And over the past 20 years that number keeps climbing towards legalization and has never gone down, right? Within ten years, it should be an overwhelming majority, will be legalized, and you can sit there and frown and expect all out warfare from stoners killing everyone and turning them into zombies.

Hell you couldnt even pass Prop 19 in califronia, stoner central.
What you mean is 56% of california and other red states. Barely above 20-30 in the blue states.

Additionally, only those in the under 30 demographic are for it, those above 30 are 65% or more against it, and as you get closer to age 70, closer to 85% against it.

as long as the blue states maintain a conservative majority, you'll never see the day where it is nationally legalized.

the war on pot isnt waning, it isnt over, its just beginning!

 

[TechBoyJK]

Hell you couldnt even pass Prop 19 in califronia, stoner central.
What you mean is 56% of california and other red states. Barely above 20-30 in the blue states.

Additionally, only those in the under 30 demographic are for it, those above 30 are 65% or more against it, and as you get closer to age 70, closer to 85% against it.

as long as the blue states maintain a conservative majority, you'll never see the day where it is nationally legalized.

the war on pot isnt waning, it isnt over, its just beginning!

Wow. You're crazy, and a troll.

This dude actually thinks pot makes people violent. Haha.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Hell you couldnt even pass Prop 19 in califronia, stoner central.
What you mean is 56% of california and other red states. Barely above 20-30 in the blue states.

Additionally, only those in the under 30 demographic are for it, those above 30 are 65% or more against it, and as you get closer to age 70, closer to 85% against it.

as long as the blue states maintain a conservative majority, you'll never see the day where it is nationally legalized.

the war on pot isnt waning, it isnt over, its just beginning!

You're an idiot. Guess what happens to people over 30 more than people under it? Hint: it happens even more to those around 70.

 

[sao123]

You're an idiot. Guess what happens to people over 30 more than people under it? Hint: it happens even more to those around 70.

guess that would be the same thing that happens to people under 30 who smoke pot.

for people over 70 it happens naturally, for people who smoke pot it happens darwinistically.

 

[boomhower]

In my experience, in general no, the stoner doesn't cause a lot of problems. But the dealers do. You can't just ignore that. The dealers are the ones killing and robbing to be able to get their supply to get it to the stoner.

No if your using this as an argument for legalization, go for it. Weed smokers cause me a lot less problems than drunks. I can't recall a single instance I had to fight a guy that was just stoned on pot, I can't count the amount of drunks that didn't want to go quietly into the night.

 

[TechBoyJK]

guess that would be the same thing that happens to people under 30 who smoke pot.

for people over 70 it happens naturally, for people who smoke pot it happens darwinistically.

What... death? You realize it's impossible to overdose on pot, and it's been proven that moderate usage, even heavy usage, doesn't cause many, if any long term health effects. Again, you are completely misinformed.

You know the sky is blue because smurfs are in orbit pissing into the clouds right?

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

guess that would be the same thing that happens to people under 30 who smoke pot.

for people over 70 it happens naturally, for people who smoke pot it happens darwinistically.

Put up some stats or shut up. There are people smoking pot right now regardless of it's legality, and several countries where it is legal. Surely, if your assertion were true you could find some stats on their higher mortality rate.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Put up some stats or shut up. There are people smoking pot right now regardless of it's legality, and several countries where it is legal. Surely, if your assertion were true you could find some stats on their higher mortality rate.

He has no stats. He has what his wife tells him, and the two studies he posted in another thread were laughable and obviously biased (and based on a study of like 14 teenagers who started smoking 6 joints a day when they were 13).

 

[sao123]

What... death? You realize it's impossible to overdose on pot, and it's been proven that moderate usage, even heavy usage, doesn't cause many, if any long term health effects. Again, you are completely misinformed.

You know the sky is blue because smurfs are in orbit pissing into the clouds right?

who said anything about over dosing?

if a pot smoker tried to break into my car and steal my change, or break into my house to take my stuff, he is just as dead if I blow his face off right?

and if a pot smoker gets into a car and drives into another car at 70mph, he is just as dead right?

When one pot smoker gets tagged by the police and narcs on his dealer, and the dealer puts a bullet in his head, he is just as dead right?

crime follows weed, and death follows crime.

Time to stop thinking that marijuana is a martha stewart drug and no body gets hurt. you guys really are morons.