Do people really have such meaningless lives that they must grasp hold of the most inane and nonsensical 'conspiracies'

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: dug777
I'm not to going to bother with the details, since like most rational people i've no problems accepting the vast & overwhelming body of evidence that points to the events going down in a dramatic absence of a hilarious 'conspiracy' by your own government, but why have so many people so enthusiastically jumped on the bandwagon here?

If their house burnt down, would they spend the rest of their days keenly telling everyone that it wasn't the cooker they left on, it was actually the American government who torched the place, for some bizarre and unfathomable reason only known to those shady, unpatriotic people in the defence department?

What is it that makes otherwise perfectly rational people seize on the most unlikely reason possible for an event, then spend their every waking hour looking for inane 'factoids' to back this overwhelmingly silly 'conspiracy' theory?

Some people obsess over it. Those are the ones that have the loudest voices.

Other people simply try to view things objectively. I don't know what really happened. I know only what I've been told to believe by the media and my gov't and what my own observations and logic say.

I believe there was terrorism involved. I believe there were planes involved. I believe people died and buildings fell.

However, my physics background raises a warning BS flag to see two huge skyscrapers fall exactly like a controlled demolition after taking massive uncontrolled damage near the top. Do I immediately believe the 'conspiracies' out there? Nope, but I also don't automatically believe every word the media feeds me.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Links with pics of plane wreckage like TWA800?

where?

4 pics right in the middle of the page

 

[sunase]

Aren't most people religious? That means believing in things without solid evidence is normal.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: dug777
I'm not to going to bother with the details, since like most rational people i've no problems accepting the vast & overwhelming body of evidence that points to the events going down in a dramatic absence of a hilarious 'conspiracy' by your own government, but why have so many people so enthusiastically jumped on the bandwagon here?

If their house burnt down, would they spend the rest of their days keenly telling everyone that it wasn't the cooker they left on, it was actually the American government who torched the place, for some bizarre and unfathomable reason only known to those shady, unpatriotic people in the defence department?

What is it that makes otherwise perfectly rational people seize on the most unlikely reason possible for an event, then spend their every waking hour looking for inane 'factoids' to back this overwhelmingly silly 'conspiracy' theory?

Some people obsess over it. Those are the ones that have the loudest voices.

Other people simply try to view things objectively. I don't know what really happened. I know only what I've been told to believe by the media and my gov't and what my own observations and logic say.

I believe there was terrorism involved. I believe there were planes involved. I believe people died and buildings fell.

However, my physics background raises a warning BS flag to see two huge skyscrapers fall exactly like a controlled demolition after taking massive uncontrolled damage near the top. Do I immediately believe the 'conspiracies' out there? Nope, but I also don't automatically believe every word the media feeds me.

Your physics backgroud didn't bother to actually think how a skyskraper constructed the way they were would collapse then did it? You'll find it was exactly the way they did collapse. It's not exactly a complicated concept, 'pancaking' i believe they call it

For argument's sake, what does your 'physics background' suggest would happen when part of several floors collapses near the top of a building? Does that weight & momentum get distributed automagically away from the floors below them? Do you have the slightest idea how the towers were constructed?

What further amuses me in this case, is that if what you 'conspiracy' nutters so desperately want to believe is true, and the evil gubermant did actually 'secretly' plant thousands of controlled explosives in two vast, heavily used buildings and magically make the crew and passengers of those planes vanish then fly them into the buildings, then detonate the explosives killing thousands of their own people, abnd then carry out the most successful cover0up, involving what would have to be hundreds of thousands of people, it not millions (and reading what i just typed reinforces the dramatice levels of moronity involved in believing any of it), why did they do it?

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: dug777
I'm not to going to bother with the details, since like most rational people i've no problems accepting the vast & overwhelming body of evidence that points to the events going down in a dramatic absence of a hilarious 'conspiracy' by your own government, but why have so many people so enthusiastically jumped on the bandwagon here?

If their house burnt down, would they spend the rest of their days keenly telling everyone that it wasn't the cooker they left on, it was actually the American government who torched the place, for some bizarre and unfathomable reason only known to those shady, unpatriotic people in the defence department?

What is it that makes otherwise perfectly rational people seize on the most unlikely reason possible for an event, then spend their every waking hour looking for inane 'factoids' to back this overwhelmingly silly 'conspiracy' theory?

Some people obsess over it. Those are the ones that have the loudest voices.

Other people simply try to view things objectively. I don't know what really happened. I know only what I've been told to believe by the media and my gov't and what my own observations and logic say.

I believe there was terrorism involved. I believe there were planes involved. I believe people died and buildings fell.

However, my physics background raises a warning BS flag to see two huge skyscrapers fall exactly like a controlled demolition after taking massive uncontrolled damage near the top. Do I immediately believe the 'conspiracies' out there? Nope, but I also don't automatically believe every word the media feeds me.

Your physics backgroud didn't bother to actually think how a skyskraper constructed the way they were would collapse then did it? You'll find it was exactly the way they did collapse. It's not exactly a complicated concept, 'pancaking' i believe they call it

For argument's sake, what does your 'physics background' suggest would happen when part of several floors collapses near the top of a building? Does that weight & momentum get distributed automagically away from the floors below them? Do you have the slightest idea how the towers were constructed?

What further amuses me in this case, is that if what you 'conspiracy' nutters so desperately want to believe is true, and the evil gubermant did actually 'secretly' plant thousands of controlled explosives in two vast, heavily used buildings and magically make the crew and passengers of those planes vanish then fly them into the buildings, then detonate the explosives killing thousands of their own people, abnd then carry out the most successful cover0up, involving what would have to be hundreds of thousands of people, it not millions (and reading what i just typed reinforces the dramatice levels of moronity involved in believing any of it), why did they do it?

What amuses me is your extremist point of view.

Where in my post did I claim the evil gov't planted explosives?
Where in my post did I claim the people were removed from the planes?
Where in my post did I calim there was a cover-up involved hundreds of thousdands of people?

What you fail to see is that your point of view is just as extreme as the guys that made Loose Change, but in the opposite direction.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: dug777
I'm not to going to bother with the details, since like most rational people i've no problems accepting the vast & overwhelming body of evidence that points to the events going down in a dramatic absence of a hilarious 'conspiracy' by your own government, but why have so many people so enthusiastically jumped on the bandwagon here?

If their house burnt down, would they spend the rest of their days keenly telling everyone that it wasn't the cooker they left on, it was actually the American government who torched the place, for some bizarre and unfathomable reason only known to those shady, unpatriotic people in the defence department?

What is it that makes otherwise perfectly rational people seize on the most unlikely reason possible for an event, then spend their every waking hour looking for inane 'factoids' to back this overwhelmingly silly 'conspiracy' theory?

Some people obsess over it. Those are the ones that have the loudest voices.

Other people simply try to view things objectively. I don't know what really happened. I know only what I've been told to believe by the media and my gov't and what my own observations and logic say.

I believe there was terrorism involved. I believe there were planes involved. I believe people died and buildings fell.

However, my physics background raises a warning BS flag to see two huge skyscrapers fall exactly like a controlled demolition after taking massive uncontrolled damage near the top. Do I immediately believe the 'conspiracies' out there? Nope, but I also don't automatically believe every word the media feeds me.

Your physics backgroud didn't bother to actually think how a skyskraper constructed the way they were would collapse then did it? You'll find it was exactly the way they did collapse. It's not exactly a complicated concept, 'pancaking' i believe they call it

For argument's sake, what does your 'physics background' suggest would happen when part of several floors collapses near the top of a building? Does that weight & momentum get distributed automagically away from the floors below them? Do you have the slightest idea how the towers were constructed?

What further amuses me in this case, is that if what you 'conspiracy' nutters so desperately want to believe is true, and the evil gubermant did actually 'secretly' plant thousands of controlled explosives in two vast, heavily used buildings and magically make the crew and passengers of those planes vanish then fly them into the buildings, then detonate the explosives killing thousands of their own people, abnd then carry out the most successful cover0up, involving what would have to be hundreds of thousands of people, it not millions (and reading what i just typed reinforces the dramatice levels of moronity involved in believing any of it), why did they do it?

What amuses me is your extremist point of view.

Where in my post did I claim the evil gov't planted explosives?
Where in my post did I claim the people were removed from the planes?
Where in my post did I calim there was a cover-up involved hundreds of thousdands of people?

What you fail to see is that your point of view is just as extreme as the guys that made Loose Change, but in the opposite direction.

No, my point of view is the rational, intelligent result of reviewing the evidence avaliable for all to read There's nothing extreme about it.

By default, if you subscribe to the inane and baseless belief that the towers were actually brought down by controlled demolition, you're subscribing to the belief that 'somebody' shady and all powerful planted the tens of thousands of devices and covered it up, now it's possibly even more inane to consider that 'terrorists' managed this secretly, so i have to assume you suspect your government

I wasn't actually referring to you specifically when i mentioned the people vanishing from the planes (that later apparently took on board guided missiles i believe, as one group believes?), that just got inculded while i was ranting against the idiocy of it all in general.

You fail to answer my question as to how you would have expected the towers to collapse however. Given the way the towers are constructed, and the views of every reputable structural engineer who has voiced their opinion on the matter, it would seem the towers collapsed exactly as one would have expected given the damage they suffered, where they suffered it.

 

[So]

Dug, check my post yesterday titled "PSA: It's not elitism..."

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: So
Dug, check my post yesterday titled "PSA: It's not elitism..."

You know how much i hate AT search So

Link or i'll unleash the robot clones, stat!

 

[So]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: So
Dug, check my post yesterday titled "PSA: It's not elitism..."

You know how much i hate AT search So

Link or i'll unleash the robot clones, stat!

:beer:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=38&threadid=1927304