I'm planning on getting phase change when I have the time and hopefully OCZ will come through eventually. Until then I may pick up an XP120 Ultra dual tower or whatever its called
Phase change... That's cool, If you like the sound of a hammer drill (whenever your computer is on) in your house!
Googer
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Phase Change Cooling will cost you well over $1,000 (closer to $1,500). Just to make your Celeron run like a $900 extreme edition. You would be much better off to get the Fastest Processor money can buy in liu of the fancy rich mans greenhouse gas producing cooling setup.
Wow, I'm glad I don't overclock. I'd like my current machines to last 10 years. I mean, they'll be just backup/testing/filesharing/whatever machines after a couple of years, but I'd rather see them last.
10 years??? OMG, cell phones will probably be faster than your current machine in 10 years! Five years is pusing it...
I mean, unless you are into antiques... I guess that's cool.
Googer
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Originally posted by: Amaroque
10 years??? OMG, cell phones will probably be faster than your current machine in 10 years! Five years is pusing it...
I mean, unless you are into antiques... I guess that's cool.
Today's smartphone has just as much or more processing power than my Old Classic Pentium (1) 100MHz and 166MHz From 1996-1997.
Originally posted by: Amaroque
10 years??? OMG, cell phones will probably be faster than your current machine in 10 years! Five years is pusing it...
I mean, unless you are into antiques... I guess that's cool.
I used the same darn machines for about 5 years with a Celeron 667 MHz and a Geforce 2 MX200. It was really frustrating because I liked UT99 and UT2004.
I'm pretty happy with what I have now so I can't really complain.
Yes, I can always upgrade later and I may end up doing that anyway. But, for now, I find all the research, time and effort in building the two machines I currently have, I'd rather not bother for a while. I can't wait to see what AMD will come out with next though. Even if they come out with something slightly slower than Intels fastest chips next year, it's going to be enough for them to keep pressure on them to keep prices low.
Originally posted by: Conky
That's interesting. My C2D overclock runs just fine at the same settings as it did 6 months ago. But this is probably due to the fact that to get 3.2 from my E6400 I must use 1.3125v and to get 3.6 I use 1.35v. Considering that stock voltage is 1.3525v I'm not even really overclocking.
lucky you, this e6600 i have i need 1.425v to get 3.4ghz =\
Just a note. The X2 in my sig is still running at 2.8GHz stock Vcore two years later. It's also been at 100% CPU load 24/7 for those two years (DC).
Every chip is different.
Every chip is different.
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Originally posted by: JackBurton
Nah, you can get a NICE phase change solution for ~$800.
Like I said, you are better off spending $500 more on the faster processor than getting fancy cooling setups.
I liken it to people who buy Civics and spend $500,000 to make them look and not quite drive like Ferraris. You would have been better off just buying the Ferrari in place of a lesser car who's reliability has been severely compromised due to the modifications.
apoppin
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Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Nah, you can get a NICE phase change solution for ~$800.
Like I said, you are better off spending $500 more on the faster processor than getting fancy cooling setups.
I liken it to people who buy Civics and spend $500,000 to make them look and not quite drive like Ferraris. You would have been better off just buying the Ferrari in place of a lesser car who's reliability has been severely compromised due to the modifications.
some of us are a little more balanced ... i preferred to buy an e4300 for $110 and a $80 thermalright cooler that i can use for the next CPU i get also ... having a 1.8Ghz C2D equal the performance of the top intel C2D for a couple of hundred dollars less is a nice plus
Back when I has a K6 233 about 10 years ago, I had it overclocked to around 250MHz or so. After a few years it became pretty unstable, and I needed to bring it down below the original 233 MHz to get it to run with stability. Because of this experience, I don't bother overclocking my computers anymore, because I don't upgrade often enough to worry about the lower lifespan of the chip.
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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Nah, you can get a NICE phase change solution for ~$800.
Like I said, you are better off spending $500 more on the faster processor than getting fancy cooling setups.
I liken it to people who buy Civics and spend $500,000 to make them look and not quite drive like Ferraris. You would have been better off just buying the Ferrari in place of a lesser car who's reliability has been severely compromised due to the modifications.
some of us are a little more balanced ... i preferred to buy an e4300 for $110 and a $80 thermalright cooler that i can use for the next CPU i get also ... having a 1.8Ghz C2D equal the performance of the top intel C2D for a couple of hundred dollars less is a nice plus
It's more sensable to spend $190 on the faster chip (possibly with larger cache) than to spend $110 on the processor and $80 on a component that does not contain transistors.
apoppin
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no it certainly is not "more sensible" ... it is YOUR PoVOriginally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Nah, you can get a NICE phase change solution for ~$800.
Like I said, you are better off spending $500 more on the faster processor than getting fancy cooling setups.
I liken it to people who buy Civics and spend $500,000 to make them look and not quite drive like Ferraris. You would have been better off just buying the Ferrari in place of a lesser car who's reliability has been severely compromised due to the modifications.
some of us are a little more balanced ... i preferred to buy an e4300 for $110 and a $80 thermalright cooler that i can use for the next CPU i get also ... having a 1.8Ghz C2D equal the performance of the top intel C2D for a couple of hundred dollars less is a nice plus
It's more sensable to spend $190 on the faster chip (possibly with larger cache) than to spend $110 on the processor and $80 on a component that does not contain transistors.
for me it is FAR more sensible to get the e4300 over 3.0Ghz AND also my next relatively budget CPU with my same Thermalright cooler ...
it has worked for me since i have been OC'ing ... longer then i have been here
no failures ... just completely *free performance* ... courtesy of intel
--thanks, intel
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Agree, I bought an E6600 with a $35 Scythe Mine and am clocking at 3.4GHz at 1.408V load with my load temperatures less then 60C (that is when my room is less than 80F ambient).
But then again... I did buy the E6600 almost a year ago when I actually thought 4MB L2 actually made a difference of 2MB.
Googer
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Originally posted by: apoppin
no it certainly is not "more sensible" ... it is YOUR PoVOriginally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Nah, you can get a NICE phase change solution for ~$800.
Like I said, you are better off spending $500 more on the faster processor than getting fancy cooling setups.
I liken it to people who buy Civics and spend $500,000 to make them look and not quite drive like Ferraris. You would have been better off just buying the Ferrari in place of a lesser car who's reliability has been severely compromised due to the modifications.
some of us are a little more balanced ... i preferred to buy an e4300 for $110 and a $80 thermalright cooler that i can use for the next CPU i get also ... having a 1.8Ghz C2D equal the performance of the top intel C2D for a couple of hundred dollars less is a nice plus
It's more sensable to spend $190 on the faster chip (possibly with larger cache) than to spend $110 on the processor and $80 on a component that does not contain transistors.
for me it is FAR more sensible to get the e4300 over 3.0Ghz AND also my next relatively budget CPU with my same Thermalright cooler ...
it has worked for me since i have been OC'ing ... longer then i have been here
no failures ... just completely *free performance* ... courtesy of intel
--thanks, intel
It's still not an extreme edition. There are several differences:
- Your budget chip has very little cache. On the other hand, top of the line chips have bundles of high speed cache.
- The Genuine Extreme Edition runs cooler, is more stable, does not generate errors, does not require fancy subzero cooling, and won't fail prematurely.
- The real Extreme Edition is multiplier unlocked.
- The real extreme edition has a FULLY INTACT WARRANTY.
apoppin
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fortunately i did my research and the extreme FSB of a good OC more than makes up for it
it's called "FREE performnance"
and i see by this nonsense posted below, you know precious little about OC'ing ... or C2D's architecture - except about the warranty:
uh, nope wrong 2 outta 4:
1. 2MB of L2 cache ... same L1
2. Totally wrong ... they run identicallly stable ... nor does mine require "fancy" cooling
3. My e4300 is multiplier unloicked in my MB
4. i never needed warranty service due to OC'ing ... 7 years and many processors saving me sometimes hundreds of dollars on each one
you are in the right place ... stick around ... don't be afraid to learn something about OC'ing
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You obviously didn't know this, but going from 2MB of L2 cache to 4MB, on a C2D, has between a 5% & a 12% speed difference, depending on the software being run. That means all you have to do is overclock to 12% faster, and there is no longer any speed difference.
Anyone who knows how to overclock has none of the problems you've just mentioned. I've been overclocking since '91 or '92, and I've never had a single processor go bad, never had to reinstall software or any OS because of errors, and never used anything except air cooling.
That's about as necessary as it having arms and legs, with the motherboards and RAM that are available. Of course, it's good for people who don't have the slightest idea how to overclock, I guess.
Yet it costs 10x more than apoppin's processor. How much do you want to wager that apoppin won't go through 10 E4300's, before it's obsolete?
My old 4400 X2 actually got better in overclocking after a year or so. I was able to maintain 2.8GHz at first with no less than 1.45v and now it can run rock solid at the same speed with 1.375v. I sold that computer about a month ago so I have no idea how things are going with it now.
Nah, it's like making a Ferrari faster. I'm not talking about overclocking budget chips, I'm talking about Quad cores reaching far beyond what you can buy off the shelf. You ain't gonna get anywhere close to 4GHz with a quad core on air. And yeah, that is a STABLE overclock. No flash POST screen overclock. So in September when the Q6600 drop to ~$266, you can pick up a phase change system for ~$800 and basically have a 4GHz+ quad core machine. OR you can buy a QX6800 (2.93GHz) for ~$1200 and get a very unstable 3.46GHz overclock (on air) with CRAZY temps. For me, I'll stick with the phase change Q6600.Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Nah, you can get a NICE phase change solution for ~$800.
Like I said, you are better off spending $500 more on the faster processor than getting fancy cooling setups.
I liken it to people who buy Civics and spend $500,000 to make them look and not quite drive like Ferraris. You would have been better off just buying the Ferrari in place of a lesser car who's reliability has been severely compromised due to the modifications.
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