Do most muslims really think Bin Laden was not behind 9/11?

[Abwx]

Go find the last thread, and insert your name in one of the many post that bears your same remedial views, and then read the whole thing and witness why you are not worth going over this same tired, mindless dribble again.

The problem of many US people is that once their gov.
is the vilain, they quickly go to denial...

That s a false pride, no more nor less , and you
are no exception...

 

[Matt1970]

Go away idiot.

 

[Abwx]

Go away idiot.

Lol....you just prove my point...

Indeed, the USA needs absolutely to make people believe
that OBL was the perpetrator of 9/11 as this is a mean
to validate the US violent and always criminal policies...

Wether he s culprit or not doesn t matter, though
his criminal record is amateur-ish compared to the
one of his former employer...

 

[Matt1970]

I would say you are as dumb as a box of rocks but I hate to insult rocks.

 

[bfdd]

Abwx, no one hates their government more than Americans. You're a blind anti-American ideologue if you can't see how divided our nation is over how our government acts.

 

[Gintaras]

Tell us why WTC 7 did collapse....

Why need to ask such question on this forum?

A lot of people will believe to WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE, even if they have any logic, even if they have basic physics knowlegde about "free fall"(WTC commercial demolition)...
About Pentagon hit by passenger aircraft...
Those people even won't believe or trust a big passenger aircraft pilot, who would say, that is no way some arabs could operate a passenger jet who even barely could fly a small Cessna...
Those people would easily could believe, that if you learn how to drive a bicycle, next thing you can do - sit in Formula 1 drivers seat and win Formula 1 race...If Media telsl them to believe it...

There are many people, thet they will believe in what they want to believe...
Asking those people a question: "Tell us why WTC 7 did collapse..." isn't intelligent itself...It's like going to church and asking people: "Do you believe in god"

 

[Abwx]

Abwx, no one hates their government more than Americans. You're a blind anti-American ideologue if you can't see how divided our nation is over how our government acts.

Heaven forbid, i wont put everyone in the same bag..

But then, since you have free elections, isn t the governement
elected to achieve the people s will..??..

Or is the people deprived of his will once the politicians
are squatting the state s mandates ?...

 

[Matt1970]

Why need to ask such question on this forum?

A lot of people will believe to WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE, even if they have any logic, even if they have basic physics knowlegde about "free fall"(WTC commercial demolition)...
About Pentagon hit by passenger aircraft...
Those people even won't believe or trust a big passenger aircraft pilot, who would say, that is no way some arabs could operate a passenger jet who even barely could fly a small Cessna...
Those people would easily could believe, that if you learn how to drive a bicycle, next thing you can do - sit in Formula 1 drivers seat and win Formula 1 race...If Media telsl them to believe it...

There are many people, thet they will believe in what they want to believe...
Asking those people a question: "Tell us why WTC 7 did collapse..." isn't intelligent itself...It's like going to church and asking people: "Do you believe in god"

People will believe that the US Government can secretly recruit a thousand or so of it’s own citizens to participate in the killing of thousands of fellow citizens all so Bush can get some oil. People will believe that the US Government can keep them all quiet for a decade and not have one single email or memo leak out.

 

[Gintaras]

Believe or not, but it's true:

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

False flag

In History it happened not once, and History repeats itself time to time. US have it planned before, just never executed:

In the 1931 Mukden incident, Japanese officers fabricated a pretext for annexing Manchuria by blowing up a section of railway. Six years later they falsely claimed the kidnapping of one of their soldiers in the Marco Polo Bridge Incident as an excuse to invade China proper.

In the Gleiwitz incident on August 31, 1939, Reinhard Heydrich made use of fabricated evidence of a Polish attack against Germany to mobilize German public opinion and to fabricate a false justification for a war with Poland. This, along with other false flag operations in Operation Himmler, would be used to mobilize support from the German population for the start of World War II in Europe.

On November 26, 1939, the Soviet Union shelled the Russian village of Mainila near the Finnish border. The Soviet Union attacked Finland four days afterwards, claiming the shelling to have been a Finnish military action. Russia subsequently agreed that the attack was initiated by the Soviets.[8] Also, the nearest Finnish artillery pieces were well out of range of Mainila.[9]

In 1953, the U.S. and British-orchestrated Operation Ajax used "false-flag" and propaganda operations against the formerly democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammed Mosaddeq. Information regarding the CIA-sponsored coup d'etat has been largely declassified and is available in the CIA archives.[10]

In 1954, the Military Intelligence Directorate of Israel launched a series of bombings against targets in Cairo which had British and American financial interests, in the hopes of alienating the U.S. and Britain from Egypt.[11] Codenamed Operation Suzannah, it was later dubbed the Lavon Affair, after Israeli Defense Minister Pinchas Lavon. Lavon and Israeli Military Intelligence head Binyamin Gibli had planned and carried out the operation in secret, and without telling Prime Minister Moshe Sharett in advance. Lavon and Gibli both lost their jobs as a result. Israel (where it is known as "The Unfortunate Affair") finally admitted responsibility in 2005.[12]

The planned, but never executed, 1962 Operation Northwoods plot by the U.S. Department of Defense for a war with Cuba involved scenarios such as hijacking or shooting down passenger and military planes, sinking a U.S. ship in the vicinity of Cuba, burning crops, sinking a boat filled with Cuban refugees, attacks by alleged Cuban infiltrators inside the United States, and harassment of U.S. aircraft and shipping and the destruction of aerial drones by aircraft disguised as Cuban MiGs. These actions would be blamed on Cuba, and would be a pretext for an invasion of Cuba and the overthrow of Fidel Castro's communist government. It was authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy. This later came to light through the Freedom of Information Act and was publicized by James Bamford.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

Televised on US TV cheering crowds for announced "killing og Osama" in NY could be pretty similar to crowds of germans in last centuries 30's and 40's in Germany...
MASS PSYCHOSIS...

 

[bfdd]

Heaven forbid, i wont put everyone in the same bag..

But then, since you have free elections, isn t the governement
elected to achieve the people s will..??..

Or is the people deprived of his will once the politicians
are squatting the state s mandates ?...

What does that have to do with anything? Obama didn't even get 100% of the vote, so how can he represent 100% of the population? That's not how our shit works and it doesn't mean that someone who voted for him trusts him or even likes him.

 

[CallMeJoe]

...Those people would easily could believe, that if you learn how to drive a bicycle, next thing you can do - sit in Formula 1 drivers seat and win Formula 1 race...If Media telsl them to believe it...

Major analogy failure.

One might not go from riding a bicycle directly to winning a Formula 1 race, but one could very easily go from driving a Yugo to crashing a Formula 1 car into one particular barrier on the track.
I've never flown an aircraft myself, but I've ridden right seat in airframes ranging from a Cessna 150 to a Beechcraft B300 and am quite confident that so long as someone else got a 757 into the air I could easily pilot it into a target the size of a WTC tower or the Pentagon.

 

[wwswimming]

http://www.icna.org/2011/05/icna’-statement-on-killing-of-osama-bin-laden/

reading some of the comments on this islam website is kinda disturbing

as many Americans are aware, Israel did 9-11.

info about demolition of WTC1 WTC2 & WTC 7
http://911research.wtc7.net/

info about access to buildings & other logistics required to demolish the buildings
http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367
"Israel did 9/11 - ALL THE PROOF IN THE WORLD"

America had over a hundred warnings that 9-11 was a bad week to fly - why did they ignore them ?
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline

of course, Iraq has 110 billion barrels of light sweet crude oil - $11 Trillion worth when oil is $100 a barrel.

the official story is that a group of mostly Saudi Arabian men, guided by a man named Osama camping in Aghanistan, flew planes into buildings.

what does the US do ? sends their troops to occupy ... Iraq.

 

[soulcougher73]

I resent the impression you are trying to convey, of OBL being a national hero to the Muslims.

Ok. Ill let you know when we care.

 

[Matt1970]

as many Americans are aware, Israel did 9-11.

info about demolition of WTC1 WTC2 & WTC 7
http://911research.wtc7.net/

info about access to buildings & other logistics required to demolish the buildings
http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367
"Israel did 9/11 - ALL THE PROOF IN THE WORLD"

America had over a hundred warnings that 9-11 was a bad week to fly - why did they ignore them ?
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline

of course, Iraq has 110 billion barrels of light sweet crude oil - $11 Trillion worth when oil is $100 a barrel.

the official story is that a group of mostly Saudi Arabian men, guided by a man named Osama camping in Aghanistan, flew planes into buildings.

what does the US do ? sends their troops to occupy ... Iraq.

You idiot. It would take an army of explosives experts weeks to drill all the beams in all 3 towers, set all the explosives and lay all the det cord all while not being detected. All your theories have been throughly debunked. Go away.

 

[BeauJangles]

as many Americans are aware, Israel did 9-11.

info about demolition of WTC1 WTC2 & WTC 7
http://911research.wtc7.net/

info about access to buildings & other logistics required to demolish the buildings
http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367
"Israel did 9/11 - ALL THE PROOF IN THE WORLD"

America had over a hundred warnings that 9-11 was a bad week to fly - why did they ignore them ?
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline

of course, Iraq has 110 billion barrels of light sweet crude oil - $11 Trillion worth when oil is $100 a barrel.

the official story is that a group of mostly Saudi Arabian men, guided by a man named Osama camping in Aghanistan, flew planes into buildings.

what does the US do ? sends their troops to occupy ... Iraq.

Please take this trash somewhere else.

Like to the 9/11 conspiracy thread(s) where this absolute trumped up bullshit that is paraded around by people who are too unwilling to confront the absolute mountain of evidence that there is no conspiracy.

This crap has been debated here endlessly and there's no need to bring it into this thread.

 

[jonks]

This thread proves yet again that 'american exceptionalism' is better suited as a euphemism in the same way we call the retarded 'special.'

"Muslims don't believe Osama did 9/11" pales compared to the stupidity demonstrated in this thread alone, and this among people in the most developed country in the world with access to unlimited information and a free press. At least people living in the third world have a reasonable excuse for ignorance.

 

[Craig234]

Ok. Ill let you know when we care.

I care, about the truth on it; from what I've seen, Osama bin Laden is much more hated than liked in the Middle East, though he has some followers, like Oliver North here.

Admittedly, many there 'don't care', just as so many here yawn if terrorists we've harbored or supported are brought up.

Most don't care much if they're caught, or not, either way, fine, whatever.

When it's *them* with that attitude, we view them as terrorist loving scum for not caring about a mass murdered.

When it's *us* doing it, yawn, whatever, but the side affected is outraged.

 

[Jaskalas]

This thread proves yet again that 'american exceptionalism' is better suited as a euphemism in the same way we call the retarded 'special.'

"Muslims don't believe Osama did 9/11" pales compared to the stupidity demonstrated in this thread alone, and this among people in the most developed country in the world with access to unlimited information and a free press. At least people living in the third world have a reasonable excuse for ignorance.

The human condition.

 

[Gintaras]

I've never flown an aircraft myself, but I've ridden right seat in airframes ranging from a Cessna 150 to a Beechcraft B300 and am quite confident that so long as someone else got a 757 into the air I could easily pilot it into a target the size of a WTC tower or the Pentagon.

What a "genius pilot" Aviation is missing...

You prolly have been touching yourself while on the right seat(of ...Cessna 150 to a Beechcraft B300)
To take an aircraft into air it's much easier that to maneuver an aircraft into landing...

And what size is your asshole? Size of a passenger aircraft or size of the hole that been made in Pentagon on 9/11?

 

[CallMeJoe]

What a "genius pilot" Aviation is missing...
You prolly have been touching yourself while on the right seat(of ...Cessna 150 to a Beechcraft B300)
To take an aircraft into air it's much easier that to maneuver an aircraft into landing...

Who said anything about landing? Landing is hard. Crashing is an altogether different matter. One needn't be a pilot to steer an aircraft into a target the size of the buildings hit on September 11th. Do you think the Twin Towers were the size of a regular office building? Do you have no idea how truly immense the Pentagon is?

And what size is your asshole? Size of a passenger aircraft or size of the hole that been made in Pentagon on 9/11?

You aren't another of those fools going on about the hole in the side of the Pentagon, are you? Unlike in those cartoons with which you must be familiar (is that where you got your obsession with touching oneself?), an aircraft doesn't leave a neat airplane-shaped hole in the side of a reinforced concrete structure.

 

[bfdd]

Keeping a plane in the air is far easier than landing a plane. Hell landing is the hardest part of fucking flying, not to mention it isn't like a goddamn 747 can't fly itself now a days.

 

[wuliheron]

This thread proves yet again that 'american exceptionalism' is better suited as a euphemism in the same way we call the retarded 'special.'

"Muslims don't believe Osama did 9/11" pales compared to the stupidity demonstrated in this thread alone, and this among people in the most developed country in the world with access to unlimited information and a free press. At least people living in the third world have a reasonable excuse for ignorance.

If you think its just ignorance you haven't been paying attention.

 

[0roo0roo]

Conspiracies are part of everyday life in the Middle East. Basically, everything thats wrong in the world is Israel/Jews fault. With America placing a close second.

Yea whatever the actual percentage is, the number of those folks that believe ridiculous things is well, disturbing. When their historical narrative of even recent events is so warped how does anyone take their views on foreign policy let alone grievances seriously, I think that has been a problem too long, not calling bullsh*t for what it is.

 

[HAL9000]

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