Do I tell my students about how to get cheap textbooks???

[cressida]

Originally posted by: eakers
if you know that site is 100% then i say do it, but if your students get screwed over by them then you will get in trouble.

ordered from them twice .. they seem to be pretty good. Lately, a lot of sellers have been selling textbooks (paper back versions from sites like that one) and selling them back for 4 to 5 times as much on sites like amazon and half.

 

[PoPPeR]

i went to summer school for math, teacher had an old edition, wasn't even like the past years, it was a couple editions back, had 99% the exact same problems.

 

[calbear2000]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero

Originally posted by: CallTheFBI
That book is probably a ripoff copy that wasn't printed with the publisher's authorization. I think you would definately get in trouble with the university if your students were walking around with those books.

yes, I think they aren't paying royalties and ignoring copywrite laws.

I know for a fact many of these high-tech books are illegal. That website should be shutdown.

I helped in the creation of a solutions guide of a textbook written by a well-known Prof. We were all disheartened when we found out illegal copies of it were being sold in India for a few dollars. He said it was only a matter of time before his IP was illegally copyrighted from him, as was the case for all his textbooks. Really sad that his work is being stolen.

 

[CallTheFBI]

Originally posted by: calbear2000

Originally posted by: yellowfiero

Originally posted by: CallTheFBI
That book is probably a ripoff copy that wasn't printed with the publisher's authorization. I think you would definately get in trouble with the university if your students were walking around with those books.

yes, I think they aren't paying royalties and ignoring copywrite laws.

I know for a fact many of these high-tech books are illegal. That website should be shutdown.

I helped in the creation of a solutions guide of a textbook written by a well-known Prof. We were all disheartened when we found out illegal copies of it were being sold in India for a few dollars. He said it was only a matter of time before his IP was illegally copyrighted from him, as was the case for all his textbooks. Really sad that his work is being stolen.

What kind of textbook? Math?

 

[Analog]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
the profs at Kettering do!

Kettering? I thought you guys were too rich to need cheap textbooks.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
the profs at Kettering do!

Kettering? I thought you guys were too rich to need cheap textbooks.

HA! KU sucks us dry and then they want to screw us with $100 USED books!

 

[calbear2000]

Originally posted by: CallTheFBI

Originally posted by: calbear2000

Originally posted by: yellowfiero

Originally posted by: CallTheFBI
That book is probably a ripoff copy that wasn't printed with the publisher's authorization. I think you would definately get in trouble with the university if your students were walking around with those books.

yes, I think they aren't paying royalties and ignoring copywrite laws.

I know for a fact many of these high-tech books are illegal. That website should be shutdown.

I helped in the creation of a solutions guide of a textbook written by a well-known Prof. We were all disheartened when we found out illegal copies of it were being sold in India for a few dollars. He said it was only a matter of time before his IP was illegally copyrighted from him, as was the case for all his textbooks. Really sad that his work is being stolen.

What kind of textbook? Math?

EE

 

[The Stigenator]

Originally posted by: CallTheFBI
That book is probably a ripoff copy that wasn't printed with the publisher's authorization. I think you would definately get in trouble with the university if your students were walking around with those books.

YOU ARE WRONG!

The books are based on Zones. When you buy books in India they are are specifically marketed to the Sub Continent + Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia. It says on the back of the book. It also says its illegal to sell it else where.


The books are legal, and the rights are given to the authors.. my dad is an author and knows of this..

 

[Analog]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: yellowfiero

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
the profs at Kettering do!

Kettering? I thought you guys were too rich to need cheap textbooks.

HA! KU sucks us dry and then they want to screw us with $100 USED books!

When I went there (GMI), books were expensive, but tuition was $690/semester, unlimited credits. The coop pay easily made that plus some.

 

[calbear2000]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy

Originally posted by: CallTheFBI
That book is probably a ripoff copy that wasn't printed with the publisher's authorization. I think you would definately get in trouble with the university if your students were walking around with those books.

YOU ARE WRONG!

The books are based on Zones. When you buy books in India they are are specifically marketed to the Sub Continent + Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia. It says on the back of the book. It also says its illegal to sell it else where.


The books are legal, and the rights are given to the authors.. my dad is an author and knows of this..

No you are wrong. While some may be legal, I know for a FACT that the authors of some the high-tech textbooks did not authorize the "Prentice Hall Company of India" to publish their books at dirt-cheap prices.

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: calbear2000

Originally posted by: The_good_guy

Originally posted by: CallTheFBI
That book is probably a ripoff copy that wasn't printed with the publisher's authorization. I think you would definately get in trouble with the university if your students were walking around with those books.

YOU ARE WRONG!

The books are based on Zones. When you buy books in India they are are specifically marketed to the Sub Continent + Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia. It says on the back of the book. It also says its illegal to sell it else where.


The books are legal, and the rights are given to the authors.. my dad is an author and knows of this..

No you are wrong. While some may be legal, I know for a FACT that the authors of some the high-tech textbooks did not authorize the "Prentice Hall Company of India" to publish their books at dirt-cheap prices.

Isn't Prentice Hall one of the biggest textbook publishers out there?

http://vig.prenhall.com/

Rob

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: yellowfiero

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
the profs at Kettering do!

Kettering? I thought you guys were too rich to need cheap textbooks.

HA! KU sucks us dry and then they want to screw us with $100 USED books!

When I went there (GMI), books were expensive, but tuition was $690/semester, unlimited credits. The coop pay easily made that plus some.

Last term i paid nearly that per credit hour @ 16 credits. 🙁

 

[calbear2000]

Originally posted by: Entity

Originally posted by: calbear2000

Originally posted by: The_good_guy

Originally posted by: CallTheFBI
That book is probably a ripoff copy that wasn't printed with the publisher's authorization. I think you would definately get in trouble with the university if your students were walking around with those books.

YOU ARE WRONG!

The books are based on Zones. When you buy books in India they are are specifically marketed to the Sub Continent + Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia. It says on the back of the book. It also says its illegal to sell it else where.


The books are legal, and the rights are given to the authors.. my dad is an author and knows of this..

No you are wrong. While some may be legal, I know for a FACT that the authors of some the high-tech textbooks did not authorize the "Prentice Hall Company of India" to publish their books at dirt-cheap prices.

Isn't Prentice Hall one of the biggest textbook publishers out there?

http://vig.prenhall.com/

Rob

I was using Prentice Hall Company of India as an example. My point being that the publishers of said book may falsely be representing themselves as an established publishing company.

 

[The Stigenator]

Calbear2000.. we can argue over the merits of this as much as you want.. the fact is that.. I lived in India and elsewhere.. my dad's an author of these scientific books that college students use, so you actually dont know crap. I have books here with me that I bought in india that say excatly what I stated above.

Most of the indian publishers have contracts with other publishers to publish the books. My dad for his last book use Narosa Publishing in New Delhi and they are a local publisher but they sold the books in another countries under a differnet publisher. My dad's next 2 books in the making (one's at the publisher - Narosa, the other we need to convert to LaTex because the american publisher cant read Corel Ventura).

So just STFU.

 

[Spac3d]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy
So just STFU.

You need to follow your own advice.

 

[RalphWiggum]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy
Calbear2000.. we can argue over the merits of this as much as you want.. the fact is that.. I lived in India and elsewhere.. my dad's an author of these scientific books that college students use, so you actually dont know crap. I have books here with me that I bought in india that say excatly what I stated above.

Most of the indian publishers have contracts with other publishers to publish the books. My dad for his last book use Narosa Publishing in New Delhi and they are a local publisher but they sold the books in another countries under a differnet publisher. My dad's next 2 books in the making (one's at the publisher - Narosa, the other we need to convert to LaTex because the american publisher cant read Corel Ventura).

So just STFU.

So hostile... I don't know what brought about the "STFU" but it seemed like a civil argument up to that point... And, I think you guys are talking about different cases. What The_good_guy is thinking about is the books that are specially published for countries where they are purposely made cheap so that all students can afford the book. This happens in a lot of the third world countries, and I know of people who have bought their books from China that are the exact same as the US but just dirt cheap and paperback... Perfectly legal...

I think CalBear was talking about some of the shadier textbook places that get a hold of these books and make illegal copies, which can also happen...

 

[calbear2000]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy
Calbear2000.. we can argue over the merits of this as much as you want.. the fact is that.. I lived in India and elsewhere.. my dad's an author of these scientific books that college students use, so you actually dont know crap. I have books here with me that I bought in india that say excatly what I stated above.

Most of the indian publishers have contracts with other publishers to publish the books. My dad for his last book use Narosa Publishing in New Delhi and they are a local publisher but they sold the books in another countries under a differnet publisher. My dad's next 2 books in the making (one's at the publisher - Narosa, the other we need to convert to LaTex because the american publisher cant read Corel Ventura).

So just STFU.

No offense, but your dad's books probably are not on the same level as those of Professors Rabaey, Patterson, Hennessey, etc. Why don't you ask some of these better known authors if they authorized the Indian publishing companies to produce and sell their books? I GUARANTEE you they didn't.

Your dad purposely sought out the cheaper services of Indian publishing companies... totally different ballpark.

 

[RalphWiggum]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
OK, I'm sitting here in the Lab I teach, and its a quiet moment. The students are working on their assembly language programs (its a mircocomputers/microprocessors class). I was really dissapointed this semester, as a new book was issued for my class, the third new book (edition) in the last 4 years. I don't mind new books, IF they correct mistakes, or add USEFUL material. Neither has happened, in fact, they still refer to a CD has holding approx 600K of data! I'm not knocking the authors, as they are good authors, but the publisher keeps pushing new editions, only to line their pockets, as putting out new editions invalidates used books sold by students, thus making all new class takers to buy the $130 book! So why the long rant? Because I think my students deserve better. And I happened to find the exact text that I teach with (the latest edition), at:LINK

That $130 book is sold for 350 Indian Rupees, which is $7.50! Shipped to the US, the grand total is a whopping $20.88.

My dillema is, do I reveal this to my students? Will I get into trouble with the University? Not sure....

Actually, you can do your students 2 great services. You can mention you often visit anandtech.com and visit the off-topic areas often and give them a hint on how to find this thread... That way, not only do they see your link, but they become hopelessly addicted to ATOT. Ok, well maybe you will only be doing them one favor... Cuz c'mon, who really cares about the book... 🙂

 

[The Stigenator]

Originally posted by: calbear2000

Originally posted by: The_good_guy
Calbear2000.. we can argue over the merits of this as much as you want.. the fact is that.. I lived in India and elsewhere.. my dad's an author of these scientific books that college students use, so you actually dont know crap. I have books here with me that I bought in india that say excatly what I stated above.

Most of the indian publishers have contracts with other publishers to publish the books. My dad for his last book use Narosa Publishing in New Delhi and they are a local publisher but they sold the books in another countries under a differnet publisher. My dad's next 2 books in the making (one's at the publisher - Narosa, the other we need to convert to LaTex because the american publisher cant read Corel Ventura).

So just STFU.

No offense, but your dad's books probably are not on the same level as those of Professors Rabaey, Patterson, Hennessey, etc. Why don't you ask some of these better known authors if they authorized the Indian publishing companies to produce and sell their books? I GUARANTEE you they didn't.

Your dad purposely sought out the cheaper services of Indian publishing companies... totally different ballpark.

Sure my dad may not be like Prof Rabaey, Hennessy but he is an well known author in his field (not so much in the US but in the UK, Europe, Asia etc etc).
The reason my dad went with Narosa was because Wiley's Publishing was giving him the shaft. You see his first two books were with Wileys. When he wanted to revise them wiley's wouldnt let go of the copyright control. So my dad had to redo his book all the way thru making sure it does not infringe on wiley's copyright of his work. Narosa guys dont mind my dad doing updates and stuff and hence nicer. I dont know the full story about the situation with wiley's but it ended up being a totally different titled book and new cover etc etc.

If you want I can find out what the deal with Wiley's was.. but they were the bitch back then..

 

[calbear2000]

yellowfiero,
As an instructor, I would hope you would uphold the integrity of the academic field by NOT telling your students how to get illegal textbooks. I'm assuming you're not a professor and have not written a book yourself, but it is not hard to imagine how a black market for textbooks degrades and undercuts your life's work. I would hope instructors have the ethics to maintain educational integrity... getting off my soapbox now.

If you're not convinced these books are illegal (like someone here is trying to do), I'd suggest emailing the author and asking him if these published copies are legit. I'm sure you will arrive to the conclusion that this website is operating an illegal business.

 

[The Stigenator]

the only thing that's illegal on that site is export of books not made for export. Everything else is legal. Books made for export are allowed to export. If they are exporting books not made for export.. then they are doing something wrong otherwise its all right what they are doing.

Edit:
For you CalBear... My dad's books are there. If you notice it says "special indian pricing".. on the retail here its 52 pounds or so.

Edit: my dad gets paid for both indian and world wide of his books sold. I havent seen retail copies so I dont know if those books have that export restriction.

Edit: more links for you courtesy of Goolicious...

Google - Cache - Amazon Link


hehehe.. searching my dad's name pulled up so many of his links. I wonder if he knows about it. I mean I get links to all his Ph.D students to all his papers etc etc.. I got to show him this.

 

[Analog]

Originally posted by: calbear2000
yellowfiero,
As an instructor, I would hope you would uphold the integrity of the academic field by NOT telling your students how to get illegal textbooks. I'm assuming you're not a professor and have not written a book yourself, but it is not hard to imagine how a black market for textbooks degrades and undercuts your life's work. I would hope instructors have the ethics to maintain educational integrity... getting off my soapbox now.

If you're not convinced these books are illegal (like someone here is trying to do), I'd suggest emailing the author and asking him if these published copies are legit. I'm sure you will arrive to the conclusion that this website is operating an illegal business.

you are correct, I have a real job outside the university, I am not a prof. I will look into this. Thanks.

 

[0roo0roo]

you've done enough by posting on this forum🙂 don't put yourself at risk, theres always a retarded student out there u know😛