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Do guns kill children or do children kill children?

Your link is screwed up.

But I seem to recall that they most of the "children" killed by guns are 15-19. And that it is commonly ganstas' killing each other.
 
nehalem256 said:
Your link is screwed up.

But I seem to recall that they most of the "children" killed by guns are 15-19. And that it is commonly ganstas' killing each other.
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Yep. Most gun deaths are suicides, and most of the rest are gang/color on gang/color crime. Removing those two factors (neither of which is addressable through a focus on firearms) leaves us remarkably few firearm issues.
 
Gangsta kids with guns is the problem.

There was that thug recently with FOUR convictions including violence who shot a cop in the face for the hell of it. An article said he had been sentenced to only 1000 days total but served around 30-40 only.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-trooper-shot-head-routine-traffic-stop.html

If we would stop coddling violent thugs just because they are teenagers and treat them as the likely future adult criminals they will be perhaps we could see less of this.
 
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How about instead of addressing the tool somebody uses to kill people we start trying to address the reason those people kill.

There are plenty of other things people can and do use to kill others. You won't solve anything by simply banning one of them.

Of course this problem is unsolvable. We're always gonna have people that kill other people. Wither they be old, mid-age, or children. That's just the way it is, but maybe just maybe if we quit with the knee jerk reactions we could focus on the real problem and then maybe have the numbers cut down a little bit.
 
All of my guns are maintained in a safe including the quick access safe by the bed. My children (15, 21) aren't allowed to handle any guns unless I'm around.
 
Won't anybody ever think of the children? The poor children. They were good kids who never had a chance to grow up. *sob*

Ok back to reality. As others have said. Most of these deaths are related to gang banging and their culture of death.
 
If you observe how other groups of primates treat each other, non of this human on human violence should come as a surprise. Its fully expected and perfectly normal.
 
Is it possible many of the guns of gang members originated from law abiding gun owners who sold or traded in guns to a legal gun shop? I'm not blaming the original gun owners or gun shops for the gang problem. Please don't get me wrong. Taking it the wrong way would implicate Colt and Remington for the gang shootings and I'm not doing that at all.

If lawful gun owners sell a gun to a gun shop then after that is when the trouble could start. Some guy buys the same gun from the shop legally, then does a criminal act by selling it for profit to a gang.

Yeah I know the OP seems to be referring to owners with guns in the home. But technically part of the problem could be the irresponsible gun dealer criminals. And they may not be members of a gang but operating alone selling guns at a mark up to the gang or other people without the legal paperwork.
 
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PlanetJosh said:
Is it possible many of the guns of gang members originated from law abiding gun owners who sold or traded in guns to a legal gun shop? I'm not blaming the original gun owners or gun shops for the gang problem. Please don't get me wrong. Taking it the wrong way would implicate Colt and Remington for the gang shootings and I'm not doing that at all.

If lawful gun owners sell a gun to a gun shop then after that is when the trouble could start. Some guy buys the same gun from the shop legally, then does a criminal act by selling it for profit to a gang.

Yeah I know the OP seems to be referring to owners with guns in the home. But technically part of the problem could be the irresponsible gun dealer criminals. And they may not be members of a gang but operating alone selling guns at a mark up to the gang or other people without the legal paperwork.
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Vast majority of criminals get their guns from friends/family members whom knowingly illegally straw-buy for them. There's not really any way to get around that - passing another law won't accomplish anything as they are already breaking the law. And making some sort of law making it illegal for a law-abiding person to buy a gun because they have a family member with a record would be unfeasible/blatantly unconstitutional (guilt by association?)
 
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Are you sure about that? I thought most "street guns" were the result of burglaries where homeowners didn't keep them properly secured.
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No, it's about 40% friends/family, 40% illegal/off the street (which are basically friends/family one step removed), 15% bought themselves (i.e. bought before having criminal record), 5% gun show/pawn shop/other.

The source of the street/illegal guns is about 80% straw buy and 20% stolen or other. So about 10% of criminals guns are sourced from burglary of legally owned gun.

See page 6, Table 8 (it's a little out of date but close enough for government work): http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf
 
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Guns are little more than a tool, completely inanimate on it's own. Physically, it requires an operator to use it, and subsequently, to kill. In these cases, the child was the operator. Under this reasoning, I can 100% declare that guns don't kill children, it's the one handling the gun that does the killing (child or adult, it's irrelevant).

Looking at places like Chicago, the run-down areas of LA, and my old neighborhood near Sacramento, I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of those deaths involved gang activity. Though I shouldn't underestimate the woeful lack of education in the topic of guns, I wonder how many kids in middle school or even high school know to check if a gun is loaded, or god forbid, to know not to play with one.
 
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