I dont think its so much middle class vs not middle class as it is responsible vs irresponsible.
one prime example of people po'd is the mortgage bailout.
Middle class family A buys a modest house, works hard to stay ahead of mortgage payments and to stay away from credit card usage.
Middle class family B buys a house too big, runs up CC debt, and then gets bailed out using family A's taxes.
You don't have to be from different social classes for this to piss you off.
You could use the same scenario and apply it to Auto companies, Banks, etc. Only the "irresponsible" ones got bailout, the rest just had to make do with what they had.
one prime example of people po'd is the mortgage bailout.
Middle class family A buys a modest house, works hard to stay ahead of mortgage payments and to stay away from credit card usage.
Middle class family B buys a house too big, runs up CC debt, and then gets bailed out using family A's taxes.
You don't have to be from different social classes for this to piss you off.
You could use the same scenario and apply it to Auto companies, Banks, etc. Only the "irresponsible" ones got bailout, the rest just had to make do with what they had.
Originally posted by: bctbct
Originally posted by: cubby1223
I see how it is around here, make a quick statement and have everyone immediately shouts their partisan insults - respond with the actual details behind what I say, and everyone's silent
The thread asks, if I'm reading it correctly, is the reason why "the rich" resent Obama because he gives perks to "the poor", or in this thread "the middle class"? Sorry, but with the stimulus the rich are still rich and the middle class are still struggling. My problem with the stimulus is how we are going to be able to pay for this debt and interest on the debt in the coming years. Sorry if I don't follow the progressive mantra, close my eyes, and believe it will all be paid for in full by "the rich".
I think you are taking the OP out of context.
First, if you are lower middle class you probably can qualify for more programs.
Second, you are trying to turn this into a partisan debate, I am talking income levels not voter history.
Third, if you want to debate politics and spending its bridges vs. bullets.
Every person I have heard talk about the over spending relates it to themselves and earning too much to qualify. One guy even thinks we should fix his street.
I am making a TON of money largely due to the stimulus bill and I still disagree with it.
For me, it would be immoral, at the very least hypocritical, to take advantage of a program or policy which I disagreed with. I suppose I could rationalize this away if there was only a little disagreement or disagreement with only some parts.
In my personal experience with people who've taken advantage of government programs, the vast majority are republican minded. I've always found this quite ironic, since it's these same folks who bitch and moan the loudest about big government.
Maybe I have unreasonable expectations for myself and others. In the mid 90s, I got laid off from a job and was told explicitly and unprompted by hr that the company would not challenge unemployment claims. I never filed since I'd been working non-stop for about 10 years and needed a year or two off. It turned out that I could live off savings for ~5 years since I had no time to spend it. For me to take unemployment money from the government (or anybody) while not looking for a job seems highly unethical.
First time home buyer, CARS, sales tax refund on New cars, auto maker bailout. Stimulu programs aimed at construction which translates into construction jobs.
My reference was to small/ mid size business owners I have had contact with who have blasted Obama. They defined themselves as capitlists. firmily believe in the free market (yeah right), who also seem to have a touch of racism considering their comments.
They also seem to spend half their day searching for new tax breaks for creating jobs/ buying equipment.
It seems like they resent the money they used to get going to the lower classes.
Thanks for letting me know what to think!
Haven't qualified for any of the stimulus programs, yet, and I don't resent those who do!
I don't have a moral issue with the stimulus bill nor the specific program. I actually think some of the programs are generally good. My disagreement is with spending unfathomable amounts of money that we don't have. Since I can't do a thing about the money being spent, I have no problem getting as large of a chunk as possible.
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