It seems like anyone not qualifing for the numerous tax programs thinks the stimulus programs are a terrible idea.
Do Capitalists resent Obama
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blackangst1
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I am in the lower end of the middle class, and I am getting no perks at all from the stimulus plan. In fact, all the roads around where I live are under construction for no reason which pisses me off everywhere I go, all the roads *except* for the one that actually does need repair, it's almost impassible when the ground freezes just becomes a nightmare on the suspension :roll: that's the road *not* being replaced.
Thus the entire premise of this thread is faulty. Who is this guy anyways? Another liberal hack?
Thus the entire premise of this thread is faulty. Who is this guy anyways? Another liberal hack?
Where are you in Illinois?
I don't know of any roads that don't need repair, the roads here make New York roads like driving a cadillac all the time.
Don't bother, he's clearly a fucking partisan hack.
Bet he can't stand that Obama comes from his state.
Whatever happened to your signature declaring yourself the most educated man in America, or what was it exactly it used to say?
Did I really offend you that much by stating my opinion?
What I'm saying is I'm in the lower-end of the middle class and not getting anything even remotely significant of a tax benefit that I would ever describe as a perk. Hence the thread's question is faulty from the start.
The road I'm talking about, it's a country road here, and the way things are configured, is the easiest way for a lot of people to get into town and make their way to the next town over. When winter comes along, the ground freezes, I'm not kidding when I say everyone slows down to 5-10mph on a country road because it is that bad on the suspension. So that's not being fixed, while there are 5 stretches of roads inside my town are being resurfaced, roads which otherwise have nothing significant wrong with them.
Yea, I can't even claim the construction jobs are a perk to me. So yea, goes back to the faultiness of the original question.
I see how it is around here, make a quick statement and have everyone immediately shouts their partisan insults - respond with the actual details behind what I say, and everyone's silent
The thread asks, if I'm reading it correctly, is the reason why "the rich" resent Obama because he gives perks to "the poor", or in this thread "the middle class"? Sorry, but with the stimulus the rich are still rich and the middle class are still struggling. My problem with the stimulus is how we are going to be able to pay for this debt and interest on the debt in the coming years. Sorry if I don't follow the progressive mantra, close my eyes, and believe it will all be paid for in full by "the rich".
The thread asks, if I'm reading it correctly, is the reason why "the rich" resent Obama because he gives perks to "the poor", or in this thread "the middle class"? Sorry, but with the stimulus the rich are still rich and the middle class are still struggling. My problem with the stimulus is how we are going to be able to pay for this debt and interest on the debt in the coming years. Sorry if I don't follow the progressive mantra, close my eyes, and believe it will all be paid for in full by "the rich".
Originally posted by: cubby1223
I see how it is around here, make a quick statement and have everyone immediately shouts their partisan insults - respond with the actual details behind what I say, and everyone's silent
The thread asks, if I'm reading it correctly, is the reason why "the rich" resent Obama because he gives perks to "the poor", or in this thread "the middle class"? Sorry, but with the stimulus the rich are still rich and the middle class are still struggling. My problem with the stimulus is how we are going to be able to pay for this debt and interest on the debt in the coming years. Sorry if I don't follow the progressive mantra, close my eyes, and believe it will all be paid for in full by "the rich".
I think you are taking the OP out of context.
First, if you are lower middle class you probably can qualify for more programs.
Second, you are trying to turn this into a partisan debate, I am talking income levels not voter history.
Third, if you want to debate politics and spending its bridges vs. bullets.
Every person I have heard talk about the over spending relates it to themselves and earning too much to qualify. One guy even thinks we should fix his street.
I think where most of us disagree with the stimulus is where it starts to be unecessary and a waste of money we don't have. We needed a boost to the economy, but the economy is in full recovery now, and there's still billions of dollars to be spent, which means it's unecessary. We're in this huge hole, financially, so don't expect capatilists to want to throw money away just because an allknowing congress/obama created a stimulus package ages ago.
If you mean anyone who believes in capitalism, then I don't believe this is the glue that keeps the haters together. If you mean someone like a venture capitalist or those with big bucks, I don't think he'd be president now if very many of these folks weren't behind him.
newnameman
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So what does middle class mean? Give us a definition. This is a very abused term.
O'Bamma does not pass legislation, he just signs it. Congress does the funding.
O'Bamma does not pass legislation, he just signs it. Congress does the funding.
Only 12% of the "stimulus" bill could be considered remotely stimulating. The rest was wealth transfers/benefits and Dem pork
"By our estimate only $90 billion out of $825 billion, or about 12 cents of every $1, is for something that can plausibly be considered a growth stimulus. And even many of these projects aren't likely to help the economy immediately. As Peter Orszag, the President's new budget director, told Congress a year ago, "even those [public works] that are 'on the shelf' generally cannot be undertaken quickly enough to provide timely stimulus to the economy."
A 40-Year Wish List
You won't believe what's in that stimulus bill.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html
"By our estimate only $90 billion out of $825 billion, or about 12 cents of every $1, is for something that can plausibly be considered a growth stimulus. And even many of these projects aren't likely to help the economy immediately. As Peter Orszag, the President's new budget director, told Congress a year ago, "even those [public works] that are 'on the shelf' generally cannot be undertaken quickly enough to provide timely stimulus to the economy."
A 40-Year Wish List
You won't believe what's in that stimulus bill.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html
Of course not, he's not what he claimed to be!
He hasn't changed the tax system, financial industry or health care and is only increasing military spending and the amount of theatres the Us is involved in.
Maybe he's been a role model capitalist for many, lie your ass off while you loot the joint.
He's a pinup boy at Goldman Sachs!
I guess hes talking about seeing benefit to that spending, like a single payer universal health care system would bring to the Us economy. But isn't going to happen with obama and his corporate buddies at the wheel.
DEF-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_class
He doesn't write it either, either do the congress they just scribe it and make it seem publically palatable, as it is dictated to them by their corporate paymasters.
Yes he does sign it!
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I am dead-center middle class. Other than more vague arguments like "Without stimulus the economy would be screwed, you'd have no job, etc." I cannot say how it's helped me at all. The most tangible impact of this recession has been a substantial tax increase in my state (fvck you Patterson, nobody likes you, go away) and some modest company belt-tightening.
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