Do birthers trust Mitt Romney's birth certificate?

[MomentsofSanity]

Out of curiosity, has Romney ever claimed to be from an other country like Obama did? Maybe that is part of why they distrust Obama more than Romney?

You have made that claim several times, been called out to prove it in any way, never done so and yet continue to make the claim. Show some proof of him claiming to be from anywhere else.

 

[werepossum]

The flaw is that there are no Mexican Mormons. Mexican women are too hard to control, so you could never have more than one and live to tell about it...

Besides, Obama is a muslim. Both Muslims and Mormons have magic underware, just that the Muslim version blows up (or is planned to blow up - on planes at least) and the Mormon version does not.

Not blowing up is very high on my list when selecting magic underwear. Or regular underwear. Or batteries.

 

[UberNeuman]

I'd like to know what his construction date was and is his atomic battery lead shielded...

 

[fskimospy]

Quick extra note: The AZ secretary of state will not be looking into the veracity of Romney's birth certificate.

Shocker.

 

[cybrsage]

You have made that claim several times, been called out to prove it in any way, never done so and yet continue to make the claim. Show some proof of him claiming to be from anywhere else.

There was an entire thread about it, but I will repost the info:

Breitbart News has obtained a promotional booklet produced in 1991 by Barack Obama’s then-literary agency, Acton & Dystel, which touts Obama as “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.” The booklet, which was distributed to “business colleagues” in the publishing industry, includes a brief biography of Obama among the biographies of eighty-nine other authors represented by Acton & Dystel.

Either Obama was born in Kenya or he wasn’t. I remain skeptical that he was. The question is, then: Why did he claim to be? What advantage did he think it gave him at the time?
Maybe Elizabeth Warren can tell us…
Update: Acton & Dystel were still using that bio until a couple of months after Obama launched his ’08 campaign. Weird.
Update: Literary agent says 1991 booklet was a mistake. Getting a client’s country of birth wrong seems like quite a mistake. And apparently we’re not supposed to ask how and why it happened. Maybe they misheard Obama when he said, “Can ya update my bio?”
Update: Huh. Weird how people kept getting the wrong idea. Maybe they, I dunno, read his bio?
Update: As for the literary agency’s “whoopsie!” statement, Pollak noted the following in his original story:

According to the booklet itself, the text was edited by Miriam Goderich, who has since become Dystel’s partner at Dystel & Goderich, an agency founded in 1994. Breitbart News attempted to reach Goderich by telephone several times over several days. Her calls are screened by an automated service that requires callers to state their name and company, which we did. She never answered.
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Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/17/o...he-claims-he-was-born-in-kenya/#ixzz1wb1eKIOj

Sunday, June 27, 2004

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.
The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

Who does not proof read the first bio put out there by your publicist? Seriously, who would not have at least two copies of it, proudly showing one of them to friends and family and putting the other away for safe keeping? And where did his publicist get the info? Who would he have asked for such personal info other than his client, Obama himself?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

There was an entire thread about it, but I will repost the info:


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/17/o...he-claims-he-was-born-in-kenya/#ixzz1wb1eKIOj


http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

Who does not proof read the first bio put out there by your publicist? Seriously, who would not have at least two copies of it, proudly showing one of them to friends and family and putting the other away for safe keeping? And where did his publicist get the info? Who would he have asked for such personal info other than his client, Obama himself?

That's a whole lot of cut and paste to say "No. I can't show Obama himself ever making such a statement".

 

[cybrsage]

That's a whole lot of cut and paste to say "No. I can't show Obama himself ever making such a statement".

Most things in life require deduction. We both know this.


Are you seriously going to say Obama's publicist invented it all and managed to get most of it right by accident?

So where do YOU think his publicist got the private life into about his client, Obama, from?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Most things in life require deduction. We both know this.


Are you seriously going to say Obama's publicist invented it all and managed to get most of it right by accident?

So where do YOU think his publicist got the private life into about his client, Obama, from?

Your statement was Obama used that claim. You've failed to show he has. The rest is absolutely meaningless fodder that relies on assumptions on your behalf.

 

[cybrsage]

Your statement was Obama used that claim. You've failed to show he has. The rest is absolutely meaningless fodder that relies on assumptions on your behalf.

That is a round about way of saying "it is obvious he obtained that personal info from his client, Obama".


To keep your own logic intact, you also say the police must have recordings of everything a suspect says to them or else the suspect never said it, right? You also believe oral contracts never happened, right? Also, if your mom says your dad wants to talk to you, you demand a written or recorded quote of him saying it else he never said it...right?

Right? No? Oh, you only want it in THIS ONE INSTANCE! OH! Gotcha.


EDIT: However, your logical problems aside, he did use it for his own publicity. You know, what he had a publicist for. So yes, he did use it.

 

[davmat787]

Quick extra note: The AZ secretary of state will not be looking into the veracity of Romney's birth certificate.

Shocker.

I thought the AZ SoS only looked into Obama's birth certificate because a citizen asked him into, and thus was bound to perform a cursory verification by calling his counterpart in Hawaii. He even said he was not a birther, and believed the birth certificate to be legit, and would not have contacted Hawaii had he not been bound too.

I only read an article or two about that episode as I can only handle this birther stuff in very small doses.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

That is a round about way of saying "it is obvious he obtained that personal info from his client, Obama".


To keep your own logic intact, you also say the police must have recordings of everything a suspect says to them or else the suspect never said it, right? You also believe oral contracts never happened, right? Also, if your mom says your dad wants to talk to you, you demand a written or recorded quote of him saying it else he never said it...right?

Right? No? Oh, you only want it in THIS ONE INSTANCE! OH! Gotcha.


EDIT: However, your logical problems aside, he did use it for his own publicity. You know, what a publicist does.

Yes, my logic problem. The one where I want to see Obama make that claim, or see a quote attributed to him making that claim. The publishers state that was a misprint. You state it couldn't have been, ignoring their assertion to the contrary. So when it was printed it was true and their word must be taken as accurate, but when they indicate it was a misprint, they must be lying and can't be believed.

Which is it?

Oh. To add. As a former cop. Good luck ever presenting something like that and having a court accept it as evidence of an admission of anything.

 

[cybrsage]

Yes, my logic problem.

At least you admit it

The one where I want to see Obama make that claim, or see a quote attributed to him making that claim. The publishers state that was a misprint. You state it couldn't have been, ignoring their assertion to the contrary. So when it was printed it was true and their word must be taken as accurate, but when they indicate it was a misprint, they must be lying and can't be believed.

Which is it?

It obviously was a misprint - that was never in question and (other than you) no one said it was not. Misdirection detected and summarily dismissed.

Obama DID use it for his own publicity (the part you quoted but "forgot" to address). Thus, Obama DID use it. TADA! Does that magically make him born there? No, but it does make him a liar about where he was born...and then makes people wonder "hmmm...which one is the lie and which the truth?"

Oh. To add. As a former cop. Good luck ever presenting something like that and having a court accept it as evidence of an admission of anything.

You must have been a lazy or bad cop. You have obviously never heard of traffic court and ALL cops that are not horrifying lazy or just downright bad have heard of it. You know, the place where a motorist and a cop goes before a judge, they both speak and the judge believes the cop.


EDIT: I still find it interesting you imply his publicist invented his life history and managed to guess all of it right but his nation of birth.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

At least you admit it



It obviously was a misprint - that was never in question and (other than you) no one said it was not. Misdirection detected and summarily dismissed.

Obama DID use it for his own publicity (the part you quoted but "forgot" to address). Thus, Obama DID use it. TADA! Does that magically make him born there? No, but it does make him a liar about where he was born...and then makes people wonder "hmmm...which one is the lie and which the truth?"



You must have been a lazy or bad cop. You have obviously never heard of traffic court and ALL cops that are not horrifying lazy or just downright bad have heard of it. You know, the place where a motorist and a cop goes before a judge, they both speak and the judge believes the cop.


EDIT: I still find it interesting you imply his publicist invented his life history and managed to guess all of it right but his nation of birth.

I'm sure you'll ignore this as well but...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp

Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

"You're undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."

You keep saying publicist. You are incorrect. It was his publisher. I'll assume you know the difference. You say it had to come from Obama. Incorrect. They say nothing of any sort came from Obama, ever. You say he used the materials. Again you are incorrect. It was used by the publishers and only used within the publishing industry to promote their authors.

Really everything you state to support your claim is invalid. Thus, your claim itself is also invalid. Unsurprising given your posting history.

And you can say just about anything to me, but as someone who was nearly killed serving his community, and someone who would still be doing so if physically able, I'll thank you to stay far away from comments such as you felt necessary to make there. You can attempt to make your point without such ignorance.

 

[cybrsage]

Publisher then invented Obama's past and managed to get it all right except that one point. They are pretty good at guessing things, eh? Amazing they knew so much about his parents without Obama telling them anything. Of course they say they invented it...otherwise they would lose business. One would think common sense would prevail and we would all agree it is impossible for the publisher to have invented Obama's past so well without Obama telling them these things. Oh, and we would also have to pretend Obama did not actually read what his publisher put as his bio...

DURRR...


So you admit you were wrong and that traffic court DOES exist, right? The place where the judge accepts the word of the police officer without proof. Or are you just going to pretend you did not say that now? Hiding behind your service as a cop does not give you a free pass to push lies as truth.


No insults or personal attacks in P&N.

Administrator Idontcare

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Publisher then invented Obama's past and managed to get it all right except that one point. They are pretty good at guessing things, eh? Amazing they knew so much about his parents without Obama telling them anything. Of course they say they invented it...otherwise they would lose business. One would think common sense would prevail and we would all agree it is impossible for the publisher to have invented Obama's past so well without Obama telling them these things. Oh, and we would also have to pretend Obama did not actually read what his publisher put as his bio...

DURRR...


So you admit you were wrong and that traffic court DOES exist, right? The place where the judge accepts the word of the police officer without proof. Or are you just going to pretend you did not say that now? Hiding behind your service as a cop does not give you a free pass to push lies as truth.

You are absolutely fucking delusional. It's sad that you actually believe I said anything about traffic court. You just make shit up and attribute it to whomever you feel don't you? Get help. Really.

 

[Jaskalas]

That's a whole lot of cut and paste to say "No. I can't show Obama himself ever making such a statement".

How'd he get into College? The leading birther theory is as a foreign student AND that is why the records are sealed.

 

[fskimospy]

I thought the AZ SoS only looked into Obama's birth certificate because a citizen asked him into, and thus was bound to perform a cursory verification by calling his counterpart in Hawaii. He even said he was not a birther, and believed the birth certificate to be legit, and would not have contacted Hawaii had he not been bound too.

I only read an article or two about that episode as I can only handle this birther stuff in very small doses.

No, the AZ secretary of state was absolutely pandering to the crazies. Nothing required him to do what he did.

 

[her209]

I thought the AZ SoS only looked into Obama's birth certificate because a citizen asked him into, and thus was bound to perform a cursory verification by calling his counterpart in Hawaii. He even said he was not a birther, and believed the birth certificate to be legit, and would not have contacted Hawaii had he not been bound too.

I only read an article or two about that episode as I can only handle this birther stuff in very small doses.

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/16/00242.htm&Title=16&DocType=ARS

16-242. Qualifications for ballot; nomination paper

A. A person seeking nomination as a candidate for the office of president of the United States shall sign and cause to be filed with the secretary of state a nomination paper that contains the following information:

1. The name, residence address and mailing address of the candidate.

2. The name of the recognized political party from which the person seeks nomination.

3. The name and address of the chairman of the candidate's state committee.

4. The exact manner for printing the candidate's name on the presidential preference ballot pursuant to section 16-311.

B. The nomination paper shall be filed not less than fifty days nor more than seventy days before the presidential preference election and not later than 5:00 p.m. on the last day for filing.

C. Section 16-351 does not apply to a nomination paper filed pursuant to this section.

D. Within seventy-two hours after the close of filing the secretary of state shall certify to the officer in charge of elections the names of the candidates who are qualified for the presidential preference election ballot.

Nope, no verification of birth certificate.

Ken Bennett won't make the same inquiries into Williard's birth certificate despite the same requests from the public.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...ona-bennett-no-inquiry-romney-birthplace.html

Romney's release is sufficient, Bennett said, unless he hears otherwise from local law enforcement.

So its good enough for Mitt but not good enough for Obama. What's it called when you treat one person differently than another person?

 

[nobodyknows]

Considering Romney might possibly be the whitest guy in America, I don't think he'll have much problem

So your implying that if you're considering voting for the "whitest guy in America" you must somehow be racist?

Grow up.

 

[nobodyknows]

LOL.

 

[her209]

How'd he get into College? The leading birther theory is as a foreign student AND that is why the records are sealed.

First it was affirmative action, now its because he was a foreign student. F'n hilarious.

 

[etrigan420]

You are absolutely fucking delusional. It's sad that you actually believe I said anything about traffic court. You just make shit up and attribute it to whomever you feel don't you? Get help. Really.

ProJo is being a pedantic ass? No. Way.

 

[Jaskalas]

First it was affirmative action, now its because he was a foreign student. F'n hilarious.

Since no one knows we get to make up which ever story we like best.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Since no one knows we get to make up which ever story we like best.

When does based on his own merits get to be one of the stories?

 

[boomerang]

Why argue with people from other countries about what's going on here? I've never understood this. Start a Canada forum and these Northerners can argue about whether the Canada PM killed baby seals or not.