Do AMD cpus at least give a smoother desktop experience w/more cores?

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Abwx

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I have to LOL at this since I just actually took a look at the charts... I had assumed in my previous reply you were telling the truth and/or knew what you were talking about, but after further review one (or more) of two things must be true.

1) You are comparing and OC'd FX 8 to a stock 3770k
2) You failed to read that "lower is better" on multiple charts.
3) All of the above

Keep googling, and try to find a source that actually says what you think it says.

No need to overclock a FX8 in respect of a 3770K, in the average below the latter can keep up with the FX because all tests are not using the 8 cores..and that they limited the FX to DDR1600 RAM....

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http://www.hardware.fr/articles/940-19/indices-performance-cpu.html
 

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I have to admit, my Skylake i3-6100 is very "meh", in my opinion. It doesn't have as high ST performance as my overclocked 4.3-4.4Ghz G4400 CPUs, and it doesn't have that much more multi-threading performance, for my usage, because the threads I run on it are optimized and processor-intensive. So HT doesn't gain me much. Maybe 10% if I'm lucky.

I would be interested in trying an 8230E. I've got an ASRock AM3+ board with 16GB of DDR3 installed, that would be perfect for it. (Currently has a Thuban 1045T in there, which I could use to upgrade a friend's rig.)
 

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No need to overclock a FX8 in respect of a 3770K, in the average below the latter can keep up with the FX because all tests are not using the 8 cores..and that they limited the FX to DDR1600 RAM....

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http://www.hardware.fr/articles/940-19/indices-performance-cpu.html

I think you've already done well enough in this thread and established yourself as delusional with your single cherry picked charts that don't even represent real usage. This is more of the same. You have nothing left to prove.

All your saying is you've convinced yourself that a slower performing processor is faster then a faster performing processor. It really is that simple.
 

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On the same page as the moyenne benchmark - now the Sandy i3 is on par with the 8350.
 

Abwx

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On the same page as the moyenne benchmark - now the Sandy i3 is on par with the 8350.

You had to use the older bench and game suite, this i3 is not at the level of a 8350, or at least is no more at its level....

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And that s with mainly lowly threaded games, and as said the FX is granted slow RAM in hardware.fr review, allegedly because the old intel plateform do not support the same frequencies as AMD s, a "logic" that wasnt of course implemented with the DDR4 Intel plateforms.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/940-19/indices-performance-cpu.html
 
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Timur Born

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A lot of tasks can be more limited by I/O - basically the speed of the disks you are using

Of course you are right, but all the examples I have given were not taken out of the blue. These - and other - programs are CPU limited for various tasks on my SSD equipped computers. With SSDs and lots of RAM most of the time when I am waiting for a computer it is because of a single-/dual-threaded program waiting for the CPU to finish the task.

And since someone on this very page asked, here is my short list of examples again:

Firefox (1 - 2 cores), Faststone Image Viewer (2 cores), Splashtop or Teamviewer (1 to 2 cores at startup), Adobe Reader DC (1 core), Symantec Endpoint Protection (1 core during scan), Dropbox (1 - 2 cores), GDrive (1 core), iCloud (1 core), ElstarFormular (German taxes, 1 core), various services falling under the SVHOST moniker (1 core).

and starting with Lightroom 6,Adobe are trying to offload some of the processing functions to the graphics card.
The only thing being accelerated are Development module related, and there still is lots of CPU load going on. Things like switching between Library and Development module are mostly CPU bottlenecked. Even to the extend that you can hit the switch keys quickly in succession and then watch how the modules switch back and forth for a few seconds after you stopped hitting keys.

And since the corresponding CPU load is only happening on two cores then, so all the cores in the world will not help to improve this kind of load. Lightroom was just one example out of the several I listed where I can perceive (via Resource Monitor and the like) that CPU load on only 1-2 cores bottlenecks my 4 core (+SSD and lots of RAM) systems.

That one of the reasons why I am still considering to switch to an overclocked 6700K from my already powerful 4790K. The IPC + likely only measly OC improvements might hopefully add up 20% better 1-2 core performance. And then I also need a Skylake system for other tests anyway.
 
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TheELF

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Actually, your link basically confirms what he is saying. Similar to AMD's suggestions for scheduling bulldozer modules, Intel suggests one active thread per core until all cores are utilized. They also note that all major OSes support HT, so this is typically not something the developer has to worry about.

No he wasn't talking about threads being run at "random" across a number of cores,he was talking about one high and one low priority one being forced to run on the same core at the same time.
 

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And since someone on this very page asked, here is my short list of examples again:

Firefox (1 - 2 cores), Faststone Image Viewer (2 cores), Splashtop or Teamviewer (1 to 2 cores at startup), Adobe Reader DC (1 core), Symantec Endpoint Protection (1 core during scan), Dropbox (1 - 2 cores), GDrive (1 core), iCloud (1 core), ElstarFormular (German taxes, 1 core), various services falling under the SVHOST moniker (1 core).

Not to mention 7zip,
https://sevenzip.osdn.jp/chm/cmdline/switches/method.htm#MultiThread
7-Zip supports multithread mode only for LZMA / LZMA2 compression and BZip2 compression / decompression
everything else is single threaded...
 

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Of course you are right, but all the examples I have given were not taken out of the blue. These - and other - programs are CPU limited for various tasks on my SSD equipped computers. With SSDs and lots of RAM most of the time when I am waiting for a computer it is because of a single-/dual-threaded program waiting for the CPU to finish the task.
This reminds me of Photoshop - I had the RAM, I had the fast SSD, and I had a large project greater than 1GB. Then I hit save and watched my $2K computer struggling to save to disk by using 1 single CPU thread of 8 available.
 

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Of course you are right, but all the examples I have given were not taken out of the blue. These - and other - programs are CPU limited for various tasks on my SSD equipped computers. With SSDs and lots of RAM most of the time when I am waiting for a computer it is because of a single-/dual-threaded program waiting for the CPU to finish the task.


The only thing being accelerated are Development module related, and there still is lots of CPU load going on. Things like switching between Library and Development module are mostly CPU bottlenecked. Even to the extend that you can hit the switch keys quickly in succession and then watch how the modules switch back and forth for a few seconds after you stopped hitting keys.

And since the corresponding CPU load is only happening on two cores then, so all the cores in the world will not help to improve this kind of load. Lightroom was just one example out of the several I listed where I can perceive (via Resource Monitor and the like) that CPU load on only 1-2 cores bottlenecks my 4 core (+SSD and lots of RAM) systems.

That one of the reasons why I am still considering to switch to an overclocked 6700K from my already powerful 4790K. The IPC + likely only measly OC improvements might hopefully add up 20% better 1-2 core performance. And then I also need a Skylake system for other tests anyway.
Well,I have a Xeon E3 1230 V2(Core i7 3770),16GB of DDR3,dual SSDs and HDDs - I am not having any single threaded bottleneck issues running Lightroom myself and that's after going through 100s of airshow pictures and these are files from a 24MP full frame Nikon dSLR.

Even back in the day like a decade ago,I was more worried about disk access speed and RAM with things like Photoshop then massively worrying about single threaded performance. Heck,I still remember a decade ago worrying about such things when I was doing 35MM negative scans. Modern PCs are rockets in comparison.

Lightroom is nowhere as intensive as some of the image deconvolution stuff I was doing while processing multi-gig image data when I was at uni.

And since someone on this very page asked, here is my short list of examples again:

Firefox (1 - 2 cores), Faststone Image Viewer (2 cores), Splashtop or Teamviewer (1 to 2 cores at startup), Adobe Reader DC (1 core), Symantec Endpoint Protection (1 core during scan), Dropbox (1 - 2 cores), GDrive (1 core), iCloud (1 core), ElstarFormular (German taxes, 1 core), various services falling under the SVHOST moniker (1 core).
Firefox is FAR more limited by RAM as its a RAM hog of a web browser especially with third party plug-ins.

Again,most of those applications limited by I/O and RAM like Faststone. Adobe Reader and Foxit Reader are more limited at start-up by how fast your disk is. I have converted documents 100s of pages long to PS years ago and any modern CPU will be fast enough.

GDrive and DropBox are again more limited by I/O and internet connection if syncing files too.

You need to be very careful of falling into the trap of looking at how many threads something might use and instantly thinking its limited. There is plenty of software which is single threaded but so unintensive,that it is virtually not limited by the single threaded performance of any modern CPU.

Hence,my sarcastic 0.02 and 0.04 seconds comment in another reply I made to some other people.

Plus plenty of software bottlenecks in the realworld are more to do with other factors.

I give you an example - I own quite a few CDs and have converted them to FLAC or an AAC-supported format so I can play them on my computer.

Quite a few applications which are used for music conversion have been single threaded in nature,but you soon realise that many of the reviews which show a difference,are actually bypassing the major bottleneck - the optical drive use for ripping. They tend to rip the CDs first to an SSD or RAM disk first.

Go onto a lot of the more audio related forums,and people are far more worried about the optical drives and how fast they are at reading CDs,error correction,etc.

This is why you need to realise that most reviews are only testing the component at hand in a system where all the other bottlenecks are removed or reduced - however,they are not good if you want to get a greater overview of what is need to get good performance in an application.
 
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Well,I have a Xeon E3 1230 V2(Core i7 3770),16GB of DDR3,dual SSDs and HDDs - I am not having any single threaded bottleneck issues running Lightroom myself and that's after going through 100s of airshow pictures and these are files from a 24MP full frame Nikon dSLR.
Then you may not have looked close enough. I did test my examples before posting them. And in the case of Lightroom the files I tested on resided in RAM cache and most of my RAM was still unused. Switch back and forth between Gallery/Evaluation (E) and Develop (D) and watch how your machine lags behind.

I am not saying that Lightroom and Photoshop cannot be well worked with on modern PCs. I am saying that for many tasks throwing more cores at them increases performance less than throwing more IPC/frequency at them. I wish it was different, because that would literally just mean to throw money at them for better performance instead of needing new tech.

Firefox is FAR more limited by RAM as its a RAM hog of a web browser especially with their party plug-ins.
32-bit is a problem there. But whenever my Firefox starts lagging, it's usually a matter of CPU load (1-2 cores out of 4) than RAM. The instance of Firefox I am currently typing in uses less than 1 gb of RAM, even with lots of tabs open. CTRL-Tabbing through the tabs still is not instant. Of course I am more sensible to lag, because I professionally work with lag (or the lack thereof). :cool:

Again,most of those applications limited by I/O and RAM like Faststone. Adobe Reader and Foxit Reader are more limited at start-up by how fast your disk is. I have converted documents 100s of pages long to PS years ago and any modern CPU will be fast enough.
Again, all of the applications I listed usually are not limited by my I/O or RAM. When I have to wait for them it's mostly because of CPU and then often only 1 or 2 of my 4 cores are fully loaded.

GDrive and DropBox are again more limited by I/O and internet connection if syncing files too.
Put a folder with over 10k small files into your GDrive folder and watch how it hogs a single CPU at full load for minutes before any internet transfer even begins to happen.

You need to be very careful of falling into the trap of looking at how many threads something might use and instantly thinking its limited. There is plenty of software which is single threaded but so unintensive,that it is virtually not limited by the single threaded performance of any modern CPU.
The question was about desktop performance. Once an SSD and much RAM are used the biggest bottleneck is the CPU. And then it more often then not is capped by the use of only 1-2 cores out of whatever number you throw at it.
 

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Overall performance in modern games @ 1080p is indeed worse than a Sandy Bridge Core i5 according to ComputerBase and Hardware.fr. Apparently those websites are only quoted when they paint AMD in a better light. :p

http://www.computerbase.de/thema/prozessor/rangliste/#diagramm-gesamtrating-spiele-full-hd

Wait a modern Core i7 is only 30% faster than an ancient AMD CPU from nearly 3.5 years ago?? Even a Core i7 6700 or Core i7 5675C is not even 20% faster than an ancient Core i5 2500K from 5 years ago,despite 4 microarchitecture updates since then??

The Core i7 6700K is listed at only being 18% faster than a Core i5 2500K running at 3.3GHZ to 3.7GHZ - the Skylake chip is running at 4.0GHZ to 4.2GHZ,so its running at a 14% to 21% higher clockspeed and has 8 threads against 4.

Plus a Core i5 5675C quad core with no hyperthreading is slightly faster than a much higher clockspeed Core i7 6700K - Skylake looks like a backwards step from Broadwell for gaming!!
 

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The Core i7 6700K is listed at only being 18% faster than a Core i5 2500K running at 3.3GHZ to 3.7GHZ - the Skylake chip is running at 4.0GHZ to 4.2GHZ,so its running at a 14% to 21% higher clockspeed and has 8 threads against 4.

~50% faster at Hardware.fr, earlier in this page. But if we look at ComputerBase FX8350 is only 24% faster than a lower-clocked 2C/2T Haswell Pentium (1/4 the number of integer cores and 80% of the clockspeed), barely matching a Haswell Core i3.

Plus a Core i5 5675C quad core with no hyperthreading is slightly faster than a much higher clockspeed Core i7 6700K - Skylake looks like a backwards step from Broadwell for gaming!!

Amazing what eDRAM does, Broadwell-K is a real gem isn't it?
Too bad AMD is not close to delivering that combined CPU+iGPU graphics performance at 65W TDP, otherwise it would probably be cheaper.
 
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USER8000

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Then you may not have looked close enough. I did test my examples before posting them. And in the case of Lightroom the files I tested on resided in RAM cache and most of my RAM was still unused. Switch back and forth between Gallery/Evaluation (E) and Develop (D) and watch how your machine lags behind.

I am not saying that Lightroom and Photoshop cannot be well worked with on modern PCs. I am saying that for many tasks throwing more cores at them increases performance less than throwing more IPC/frequency at them. I wish it was different, because that would literally just mean to throw money at them for better performance instead of needing new tech.

I am not noticing this after a few 100 RAWs after the last airshow I went to. I have tried SB Core i5,IB Core i7 and Haswell Core i7 chips,and honestly much of a sameness. The biggest upgrades in performance for me in day to day usage were the upgrades to the disk systems.


32-bit is a problem there. But whenever my Firefox starts lagging, it's usually a matter of CPU load (1-2 cores out of 4) than RAM. The instance of Firefox I am currently typing in uses less than 1 gb of RAM, even with lots of tabs open. CTRL-Tabbing through the tabs still is not instant. Of course I am more sensible to lag, because I professionally work with lag (or the lack thereof). :cool:

Neither am I but the lag is more to the way Firefox handles RAM - anytime it lags look at the RAM usage,and memory leaks on Firefox especially with plugins installed has been a known on and off issue for yonks - CPU usage is not really as big a problem. Chrome in comparison has tended to be better upto a degree IMHO.


Again, all of the applications I listed usually are not limited by my I/O or RAM. When I have to wait for them it's mostly because of CPU and then often only 1 or 2 of my 4 cores are fully loaded.

Which again I am not seeing - not to the extend that a SB or Haswell CPU made much of any difference IMHO.

Put a folder with over 10k small files into your GDrive folder and watch how it hogs a single CPU at full load for minutes before any internet transfer even begins to happen.

Again the transfer is limited by disk I/O and speed of your internet connection and I should know having 100+ GB of online backup for pictures and stuff using such services. The CPU is not making anywhere as much difference - not to the extend that a SB or Haswell CPU made much of any difference IMHO,and in terms of the whole length of the process especially from a new PC.

You also need to consider,Cloud services are also as limited on the providers side.

What do you think they are using for storage - most likely to be HDDs still and those often rated for reliability and not throughput.

What CPUs are they using??

Google is moving towards using more ARM based solutions. Now ,it might be not for the servers behind the storage side of the business,but it does indicate companies are more worried about running costs than absolute performance.

Even,online games which are touted as the bastion of the importance of single threaded performance,can be massively limited by server side performance.

Games like Diablo 3 and Planetside 2 all run better on Intel chips,but during the massive firefights in both games,performance will just plummet even with a 70Mbps UP/ 20Mbps DOWN connection and that's everyone from people with a Core i7 4790K to an FX6300 I know,and in many cases is more the server side.

You only have to look at EVE:Online and time dilation during huge battles.



The question was about desktop performance. Once an SSD and much RAM are used the biggest bottleneck is the CPU. And then it more often then not is capped by the use of only 1-2 cores out of whatever number you throw at it.
But not to the extent it makes such a massive difference going between CPUs being released within two generations of each other. Its one thing going from an Atom to a Core i7 6700K,but another thing going from maybe a Core i5 2500K to the same CPU.

Even then after doing more budget builds or upgrading laptops with a faster drive like an SSD,for most general purpose stuff people do,I found them much of sameness.

If anything some of the biggest gains we have seen moving to newer CPUs is more modern extensive support,which can actually help massively in certain niche task.

I have worked with very CPU intensive stuff at uni,and we are talking MASSIVE data sets,and things that can take hours,days or weeks to process. Some of the image deconvolution stuff was the destroyer of PCs.

Add the use of things like Photoshop,PS software and even custom stuff we needed to use(and friends too),often running on SLOWER PCs than what a lot of enthusiasts have,it makes me wonder how we managed to get to publication deadlines on time!! :thumbsup:

Remember,how popular tablets became with the iPad?? Yet,many of these tablets had worse single threaded and multi-threaded performance than an Atom and plenty of laptops still destroy them for pure CPU processing speed.

Yet,people like Apple worked on reducing other bottlenecks in the chain,and using IGPs to offload certain tasks more effectively which meant for the average Joe or Jane it felt more responsive than a netbook or bog standard laptop.

I think we might have to agree to disagree otherwise we will go round in circles,but IMHO there are more factors which need to be taken into consideration and people focus way too much on CPUs only.
 
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~50% faster at Hardware.fr, earlier in this page. But if we look at ComputerBase FX8350 is only 24% faster than a lower-clocked 2C/2T Haswell Pentium (1/4 the number of integer cores and 80% of the clockspeed), barely matching a Haswell Core i3.

Hardware.fr is testing quite old games though as some are like five years old - Computerbase.de is testing newer titles. For instance they test F1 2015 and Total War:Attila and Hardware.fr despite releasing their review later used F1 2013 and Total War:Rome 2,as you can see in their review:

http://www.computerbase.de/2015-08/intel-core-i5-6600k-i7-6700k-test-benchmark-skylake/7/

It does look like someone having an overclocked Core i5 2500K running at 4.5GHZ will have had a very long serving CPU. Best value CPU Intel has done since the discounted Q6600 G0 chips.



Amazing what eDRAM does, Broadwell-K is a real gem isn't it?
Too bad AMD is not close to delivering that combined CPU+iGPU graphics performance at 65W TDP, otherwise it would probably be cheaper.

Its also a pretty big chip with a complex package so Intel probably are happy they can sell a smaller chip for a similar price!
 
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Hardware.fr is testing quite old games though as some are like five years old - Computerbase.de is testing newer titles. For instance they test F1 2015 and Total War:Attila and Hardware.fr despite releasing their review later used F1 2013 and Total War:Rome 2,as you can see in their review:

Only shows that in CPU-limited scenarios Core i7-6700K does pull ahead of Core i5-2500K, as expected for a newer and more expensive chip. The more GPU-limited, the smaller the difference will be.


It does look like someone having an overclocked Core i5 2500K running at 4.5GHZ will have had a very long serving CPU. Best value CPU Intel has done since the discounted Q6600 G0 chips.

It is still very capable, I built at least three different systems for friends back in 2011-2012. Still, Skylake is no slouch. 28% faster per clock, average from 15 games including The Witcher 3, GTA V, Crysis 3, Far Cry 4 and Watch Dogs (according to PCLab).

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Only shows that in CPU-limited scenarios Core i7-6700K does pull ahead of Core i5-2500K, as expected for a newer and more expensive chip. The more GPU-limited, the smaller the difference will be.




It is still very capable, I built at least three different systems for friends back in 2011-2012. Still, Skylake is no slouch. 28% faster per clock, average from 15 games including The Witcher 3, GTA V, Crysis 3, Far Cry 4 and Watch Dogs (according to PCLab).

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http://pclab.pl/art65154-37.html

The two big jumps look like Haswell and Broadwell. Skylake looks a bit meh in comparison TBH!!

The Core i5 5675C also has a decent backup IGP too.

Having said that according to HWBot the average Core i5 2500K overclock seems to be around 10% more than Skylake,so I suppose for overclockers its more like a 20% improvement over 5 years.

I suppose the higher base clockspeeds might be more useful for no-overclockers like me though.
 
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Broadwells jump is masked by EDRAM.

And in terms of "smoother" desktop experience. You want Skylakes SST unless you run with a max performance power plan.
 

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Sadly for Skylake,the Broadwell chips only come in L4 cache versions for desktops. Regarding smoothness of the desktop experience,it seems pretty fine for me using an Ivy Bridge Core i7. Might be interesting to see if we get any eDRAM enabled Kaby Lake parts next year for desktop.

It looks like an interesting way to improve overall CPU performance even though its more for the IGP.

I wonder if we will start to see more smaller amounts of L4 cache added to CPUs in the near future??
 
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I have a couple AMD systems at the moment. The A8 5600k and FM2 board I picked up in FS/FT for $100 years back. With a SSD and 16GB DDR3 it is more than enough for my wife to play farmville 2 with her friends. Log in and do work from home, HD vids, normal stuff. System is snappy and responsive at all times. BTW, FV2 eats up way too much ram and CPU cores in Chrome for what it is.

I recently picked up a FX-8320e for $90 here in FS too. Added a MSI 970 Gaming for $80, and it has so far proved as good a 1080p gaming experience as the i5 4570 rig I have been using for months. Of course I had to overclock it to 4.5 GHz and buy a $25 cooler for it. AMD shipped coolers are worthless even running stock because they are so loud. Where as the i5 required zero extra time or effort to enjoy. I am able to use the exact same settings for Fallout 4 that I had already settled in on with the i5. Same system specs right down to the Zotac GTX970 except the FX has 16GB 1866 ram instead of 24GB 1600.

They both coast along at the 60FPS cap I leave on, then dip in the same places, like looking down into diamond city. The AMD dips lower, but not to unplayable levels. Playing on the FX stock with turbo enabled, however, had weird hitches. I could just be walking along and it would suddenly hitch and drop down into the low 20s for a moment. Then go back to 60fps with nothing changed on POV. Turn around and walk the same path and no hitch in basically identical circumstances. Perhaps due to the turbo implementation? Or the board/chipset and its drivers are responsible? As the i5 with turbo does not experience the hitches at all. Both have the steam folder on a 1TB black label. And the hitches vanished with the manual overclock.

Larry already addressed the hyperbolic laced blanket statements leveled at inexpensive Intel CPUs. It is odd how hands on experience often fails to reflect the terrible experience predicted. Be it due to people painting with too broad a brush, PICNIC, faulty components, OS, software, or driver issues, unrealistic expectations, confirmation bias, or failure to properly pair hardware with intended usage. Whatever the cause, it seems Larry and I are not suffering adequately. :p

So my own answer to the question of AMD providing a smoother experience is NO. But with a bit of effort, and manual multiplier overclocking, AMD has some good values. I.E. plenty smooth enough. Superior to Intel? Again no, but a viable alternative, even for inexpensive gaming builds. And believe it or not, some want an alternative, and have yet to be assimilated by the CPU forum collective. All the other divisive language and hyperbole aside.

Good post and reflects my experiences with 8 Core FX processors as well. At the right price they simply offer a better value to Intel if you're aiming for a balanced system.
 

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FX-8320E is currently $150.00 though. The fact that it "keeps up" with an i5 with 4 less cores in certain situations is not really praise. An i5-4570 is currently about $200.00.
 

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For desktop use, there isn't that much of a difference, went from a Phenom II X6 1090T (OC'd to 4GHz) to an i7 3770K (OC'd to 4.5GHz). However when it comes to gaming, that's where the difference appears, Intel are just so much better with handling games over AMD ever since Sandy Bridge.
 

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I notice the difference between a 4.4GHz G3258 and a 3.7GHz 3570K when doing normal desktop stuff. And yes, the G3258 machine is much much faster. I have the two machines literally side by side. The 3570K is a beast when it comes to transcoding, but the G3258 is way better for general PC usage.