Nah, it's *gorgeous*
I play it back from my PC at full rez and it looks great! 720p is MUCH better than 1080i, and 1080p, for all Sony's ranting about PS3's alleged 1080p native output, doesn't exist yet.Jason
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Where did you get this bogus information from? The ATSC standard for digital broadcasting has specs for all sorts of input signals I bet you know nothing about: 720i50, 720i60, 720p24, 720p25, 720p30, 720p50, 720p60 , 1080i50, 1080i60, 1080p24, 1080p25, 1080p30 (see page 33 - or see here for all links)
The resolution and encoding format is going to vary from studio to studio. The most likely scenario is that most movies come in 1980x1080x24psf - the use of mpeg2, mpeg4, or vc-1 will depend on the studio.
Skeptical about what exactly? If you feed a native 1920x1080 display a source of 480p, it has to upsample the video to fill the panel. Otherwise you'll get a lot of unused screen space.
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Hmm, 1080p must have been added recently then, because I know that when I had my editing classes a year and change ago, 1080p was NOT part of the spec.
As for having to upsample, no they don't! When you have a 480p or 480i signal it *doesn't* fill the whole panel! I see SD TV on my HDTV ALL the time and the SD signals *never* fill the panel. With component and DVI sources you can stretch them, but they look like crap. My skepticism has to do with the QUALITY of the upsample. A 480p or i source upsampled to 1080p is going to look like sh1t any way you slice it.
As for your claim that they'll most likely ship Hi-def movies natively as 1920x1080/24psf, I wouldn't bet on it. Movies will be targeted to the most common format among HDTV's, and those are 720p or 1080i. They aren't going to alienate the biggest part of their audience by forcing them to spend another $10,000 on a new HDTV for 1080p when they've already got a sizeable investment in their existing HDTV's.
Jason
Looking at my Terminator 2 Extreme Edition DVD it says
*edit* also to my current understanding very little to no broadcast tv/cable/satelite will be 1080p which will be reserved for DVD's, gaming consoles, and PC/net content. Reason being one of the reasons for the move to HD is also for bandwidth reasons and 1080P uses so much bandwidth it would defeat the purpose of trying to save bandwidth, also studios and broadcasting companies are cheap, they are barely getting 720p and 1080i in place and moving to 108-p would just cost more for them especially since very VERY few sets out there are 1080p capable and still hold a price premium.
. That means the dvd itself is NOT 1080p correct? Just mastered from a 1080p source? Only 1080p content you might find right now is from an online source. No dvd is High Defintion until both (hopefully only 1) Blu-Ray and HD-DVD come about late next year to early 2007. The PS3 will be 1080P capable for its games. We sell a Toshiba DVD player at Costco that has an HDMI out and can do 48-1, 720p, and 1080i which you select with a button on th front panel using standard dvd's available today but think of it as upscaling the video (interpolation)
*edit* also to my current understanding very little to no broadcast tv/cable/satelite will be 1080p which will be reserved for DVD's, gaming consoles, and PC/net content. Reason being one of the reasons for the move to HD is also for bandwidth reasons and 1080P uses so much bandwidth it would defeat the purpose of trying to save bandwidth, also studios and broadcasting companies are cheap, they are barely getting 720p and 1080i in place and moving to 108-p would just cost more for them especially since very VERY few sets out there are 1080p capable and still hold a price premium.
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So you're saying you think people watch DVDs on their 1080p displays at native res and only have it fill up about 1/4 of their screen?
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There is some "interesting" info here. First, 1080p is HD. It is not HDV, which is 720p or 1080i, but it is HD (actually, some argue that HDV is not HD but those are the HDPro guys). DVD will play HD content, but most DVD players do not support it. Remember that DVD is a media, not a codec. KiSS and IOData make DVD players that support HD content currently with red laser DVD media.
720p is LESS information than 1080i or 1080p, therefore, it is not better. 1080i is still better than 720p. Remember that 1080i is at 60 fps.
1440x1080 -> 1920x1080 when 1920 is square pixel. Sony does this with their camera. Wierd, but the pixels are rectangular (squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are square). Not sure how it applies here.
Most "DVDs" play in interlace format as that is NTSC. Your TV may support P mode and a player can upconvert it to progressive.
720p is LESS information than 1080i or 1080p, therefore, it is not better. 1080i is still better than 720p. Remember that 1080i is at 60 fps.
1440x1080 -> 1920x1080 when 1920 is square pixel. Sony does this with their camera. Wierd, but the pixels are rectangular (squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are square). Not sure how it applies here.
Most "DVDs" play in interlace format as that is NTSC. Your TV may support P mode and a player can upconvert it to progressive.
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It seems like they had a 1080p copy of it and then did
1. A DVD at 480i like normal
2. A wmv at 1440 x 816 for computers (I just checked the res on my comptuer)
Could be, I dunno
Mine does 1080i and 720p, and I can tell you that SD signals sit dead in the middle of the screen with pretty good sized bars on all sides. And mine is a *very* nice HDTV Jason
1080i is higher *pixel resolution*, but it's not better image quality by any stretch. 720p looks *much* better than 1080i. I'm sure that 1080p, natively, would look better still, but you'll probably never see that on broadcast.
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Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Could be, I dunno
Jason
That's because regular tv SD is a 4:3 signal and not 16:9 what do you expect it to do?
To fill up the screen it has to stretch it or cut off the top and bottom.
If DVDs fill up your whole screen and don't have black boarders all the way around the whole image then it's being scaled to your native res.
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Could be, I dunno
Jason
You mean to tell me that a DVD (SD material) is window boxed with black bars on all sides?
If so the TV and player aren't setup correctly. Your TV should not be window boxing anything.
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What model HDTV do you have? I have seen numerous HDTV's and every single one of them have options to stretch or zoom an SD or HD signal to fill the screen. How the hell do you think these televisions "stretch" the image? With optics? No, they recale the image to fit the native resolution of the panel or gun. You can argue all you want about the quality of the scaling process - you would definitely have something to argue about there - but you can't argue that it doesn't happen. Hell, even my Dell 2001fp can scale any input signal from my computer to it's native 1600x1200. It looks like crap, but it works.
Maybe you're thinking of older CRT televisions that can display an analog signal.
Given the cost of these players, I'm sure any Blu-ray or HD DVD player will be able to scale the content on the disc to a display format that the television will accept. My $300 Denon player will scale DVD's to 720p or 1080i without any trouble. I'm sure a Blu-ray player will scale the 1080psf@24 for older displays that don't accept that input.
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Could be, I dunno
Jason
You mean to tell me that a DVD (SD material) is window boxed with black bars on all sides?
If so the TV and player aren't setup correctly. Your TV should not be window boxing anything.
Oh, I didn't catch that... so he's watching 16:9 DVDs centered in the middle of this HDTV?
That's complete bullsh1t. Every HDTV I've *ever* seen looks better in 720p than 1080i. Using my PC with the DVI connection, image quality is sharper, clearer and more pleasant on the eye than at 1080i. I have a top-of-the-line 2004 model Samsung DLP, 61"; there is *nothing* sub-par about this TV.
Jason
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Could be, I dunno
Jason
That's because regular tv SD is a 4:3 signal and not 16:9 what do you expect it to do?
To fill up the screen it has to stretch it or cut off the top and bottom.
If DVDs fill up your whole screen and don't have black boarders all the way around the whole image then it's being scaled to your native res.
Yes, I know that. That's what I said, if you'd paid attention you'd have realized that.
Jason
Your TV is 720p native. It does have a reasonable deinterlacer, but is nowhere near as good as the standalone units available. Of course a 720p native TV with a built in deinterlacer is going to look better with 720p native input than 1080i. That does not IN ANY WAY mean 720p is better than 1080i.
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