DNF'd at my first 100K: Postmortem

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Bateluer

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http://www.aravaiparunning.com/javelina-night-run/

Results
http://www.aravaiparunning.com/results/2012JNRResults100k.htm
http://www.aravaiparunning.com/results/2012JNRResults75k.htm

The field for the 100K was only about 15-20 people, and only three finished. So I don't feel so bad for dropping at 75K. The race is 4 loops, 25K each. Of those, I easily handled the first two loops, but ran into major issues after finishing loop 2. I'm #6 on the 75K results.

For starters, I only took my 20oz handheld water bottle, thinking that since it was a night run and cooler, I'd be fine to refill water at the ~8mile apart aid stations. Wrong! I ran dry usually about 1 to 3 miles before I got to each of them. Pretty much started a dehydration problem that continued getting worse the longer I was out. Didn't pee the entire time I was on the course. Also, ran into stomach problems, possibly made worse from the lack of water. I was only able to take a single gel early in the second loop before my stomach said No to any future gels. Did utilize pretzels and bananas each time I passed the aid stations, but that wasn't enough. Especially with the dehydration issue, the pretzels gave me some serious cotton mouth.

After I finished the second loop, I refilled my water bottle then quickly drained it by half, then chased it with defizzed ginger ale. Which then came back up. Pretty glad I wasn't in view of the live ultra cast camera.

Took a short rest, then ate a little more, then went back out. Unfortunately, my stomach was seething and I pretty much walked the 8.5 miles to the next aid station, where I contemplated dropping from the race. As chance would have it, they had no way to transport me back to the start due to the lateless of the hour. :p This left me with no choice but to continue on. Naturally, I spent about 15 minutes sitting there, sipping water, enjoyed a PBR, and a small burrito. Ironically, the PBR and burrito seemed to settle my stomach, and I ran most of the 7.5 mile leg back to the start area. But, I missed the cut off to continue onto the 4th loop.

I was still pretty messed up, but if I'd had another hour, I'd have continued into the 4th loop. The walking on loop 3 cost me nearly 6 hours, I think. Furthermore, I was concerned about driving home. Since I live about 90minutes from the start, I didn't want to risk getting an accident or something on the drive home. Which begs the question, what happens at the full Javelina Jundred at the end of October, which has a 30hr time limit? Do I nap in my backseat before heading home? I've no crew for this, by the way. :/

Had I been doing the 50K though, I would have been 14th overall in a field of about 75. :p Makes me feel like I'm improving, at least.

Chatted a little with some people at the start/finish area after I dropped. A young lady from California was there, she almost got taken away in an ambulance but was treated on the scene. She was only partially coherent when we were talking though. Apparently, her crew got into the Hasher's beer stash and ended up passing out in their truck. In the words of another finisher, 'Thats a pretty shitty crew. You should think about replacing that crew."


Here's me finishing loop 1. I look good.
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Holy crap, man. To finish a 100km race, the stars have to align and you've gotta really be feeling it. To run 75km is amazing - I tip my hat to you. You'll definitely finish one in the future so keep on pushing. You've find some big issues in your race strategy (not enough water primarily) so you have some stuff to improve upon. With enough water and a good course, I don't doubt you'll get one under your belt soon enough. Congrats on finishing the 75km. Well done.
 

Bateluer

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Holy crap, man. To finish a 100km race, the stars have to align and you've gotta really be feeling it. To run 75km is amazing - I tip my hat to you. You'll definitely finish one in the future so keep on pushing. You've find some big issues in your race strategy (not enough water primarily) so you have some stuff to improve upon. With enough water and a good course, I don't doubt you'll get one under your belt soon enough. Congrats on finishing the 75km. Well done.

Thanks.

This was technically a training run for JJ100, which is on the same course. Just 8 loops instead of 4. Good training.

JJ has more than 2 aid stations though, so I'm thinking I may just carry two 20oz handhelds with me, with some basics in a belt. Store more in my drop bag, maybe my Camelbak as a fail safe. I learned doing the North Country 50M in August that that thing gets extremely heavy after 12 hours.

Looks like the picture when AWOL on me. I'll correct that shortly.
 

Megatomic

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Well, first off congrats on finishing 75K Bateluer! That's a distance PR for you, isn't it?

Second, yes, plan on sleeping there for a bit before driving home (JJ100). Maybe bring a tent and sleeping bag like so many others at hundos.

Third, what could you have done differently? Wear a hydration pack? I'm not doing the 100M in my sig anymore, but a 100K in January. I'd love to know what you did "wrong" so I can avoid those mistakes myself. :)

Good job bro.
 

RearAdmiral

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Are you sure you weren't delayed because you were killing baddies?

You look like Dexter Morgan in that pic.
 

Bateluer

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Well, first off congrats on finishing 75K Bateluer! That's a distance PR for you, isn't it?

Not quite, 75K is 46.6 miles. North Country was 50M, slightly longer. However, I would have shattered that time had this been a 50M, given that I finished at 9:28. Don't think it'd take 3hrs to bang out 4miles, even walking. :)

Second, yes, plan on sleeping there for a bit before driving home (JJ100). Maybe bring a tent and sleeping bag like so many others at hundos.

I know they have flush toilets and showers at a facility on site, should have scoped those out when I was there, but but my mind wasn't in the game, so to speak. I believe I did pick up the small tent option for the JJ100 though, wasn't sure if I was going to use it to camp out Friday night, to maximize sleep, or nap after. I'm debating.

Third, what could you have done differently? Wear a hydration pack?

The hydration pack becomes painfully heavy after so many hours, part of why I chose to leave it at home for this race. I've got a 50K coming up on the 20th, but I may drop down to the 30K. Not sure if its a good idea to run a 50K 7 days before a 100M as a virgin. I'm going to test out double handhelds there though, I've done training runs with two. But those have always topped out around 3hrs.

I'm not doing the 100M in my sig anymore, but a 100K in January. I'd love to know what you did "wrong" so I can avoid those mistakes myself. :)

Good job bro.

Any particular reason you're not running it anymore?
 

RagingBITCH

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Bat - that's still awesome man - props to ya. I can't really fathom longer than marathon distance, but I know it'd help me "master" it by training for the ultra. It was your first attempt - you'll do better on your next one(s) :)

Out of curiosity - did you have a support team there? The big trail guys around here (a few just finished Western States and Leadville) usually have a support team of family, other runners, etc. Can't change the fact now, but having someone pace a lap and offer up extra hydration, nutrition, etc is the only tips I can give. (For not having ever done one, nor have any desire to) :)
 

Bateluer

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Out of curiosity - did you have a support team there? The big trail guys around here (a few just finished Western States and Leadville) usually have a support team of family, other runners, etc. Can't change the fact now, but having someone pace a lap and offer up extra hydration, nutrition, etc is the only tips I can give. (For not having ever done one, nor have any desire to) :)

I did not, and won't at JJ100 either. Its just me and the aid stations.
 

Mursilis

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Impressive despite the DNF. I'm just curious what motivates you ultra guys (and gals) - that just seems like a whole heap of self-abuse! :eek: ;)
 

Megatomic

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Not quite, 75K is 46.6 miles. North Country was 50M, slightly longer. However, I would have shattered that time had this been a 50M, given that I finished at 9:28. Don't think it'd take 3hrs to bang out 4miles, even walking. :)

Nice, you are right. Good job, sir.

I know they have flush toilets and showers at a facility on site, should have scoped those out when I was there, but but my mind wasn't in the game, so to speak. I believe I did pick up the small tent option for the JJ100 though, wasn't sure if I was going to use it to camp out Friday night, to maximize sleep, or nap after. I'm debating.

Even if I had to sleep in my car I'd stay there the night before and the night after. Just for the fun of it.

The hydration pack becomes painfully heavy after so many hours, part of why I chose to leave it at home for this race. I've got a 50K coming up on the 20th, but I may drop down to the 30K. Not sure if its a good idea to run a 50K 7 days before a 100M as a virgin. I'm going to test out double handhelds there though, I've done training runs with two. But those have always topped out around 3hrs.

I've worn my hydration pack for 8 hours before, that was enough for me. I agree with you fully on how cumbersome it gets. I normally race with one handheld (Nathan), I like to have a free hand for utility reasons. I also think you may not be doing the best thing by doing a 50K just a week before your hundo, virgin or not. Let us know how that goes. :D

Any particular reason you're not running it anymore?

I screwed up my knee in August and am just now getting my mileage up. I can be ready for an easy 100K in January which is what I'm intending on now. My virgin hundo will be Superior Sawtooth 100, 2013 edition. I may have bitten off more than I can chew, but at least it's not Hardrock...

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Megatomic

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Bat - that's still awesome man - props to ya. I can't really fathom longer than marathon distance, but I know it'd help me "master" it by training for the ultra. It was your first attempt - you'll do better on your next one(s) :)

Out of curiosity - did you have a support team there? The big trail guys around here (a few just finished Western States and Leadville) usually have a support team of family, other runners, etc. Can't change the fact now, but having someone pace a lap and offer up extra hydration, nutrition, etc is the only tips I can give. (For not having ever done one, nor have any desire to) :)
RB, most ultras don't allow muling. He'd have to carry all his own stuff, the pacer is just there for company. The crew is helpful, but I've done my races without one. Next year I'll have a crew though, an awesome group of ultramarathoner ladies have offered to get me from start to finish in one piece.
 
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