DNC chair Schultz dropped from convention amid email debacle over Bernie Sanders

[spacejamz]

No you don't have to believe any of that, and Assange can only leak what he is given so it's not his credibility that I'm worried about. It just seems awfully naive to believe that Russian intelligence is interested in providing the whole story here, no?

Again, all this aside the emails themselves don't have much in them. It's mostly standard politics stuff. The only one I've seen that is bad is the one discussing (presumably) Sanders's religion.

I can only imagine the leftist circle jerk here if there was a republican email leak calling the effort to reach Hispanics as a 'taco bowl engagement'...yet to the usual apologists here, when the DNC does it, apparently it is not a big deal...

 

[Jhhnn]

So are you asserting that the emails are fraudulent? But yes, the source can matter as it can speak to the source's motives. So Nasty Vlad (or one of his minions) was responsible for leaking the emails. OK. Yes, they had their purposes in mind for doing so. So just because we don't like Nasty Vlad, are we supposed to ignore the emails to spite him? If the Saudi's did the same to the RNC for their ends and the emails showed foul play in the RNC, should we ignore them because we don't like the Saudi's? The usual suspects in here would be screaming for blood if the shoe was on the other foot.

Look a little deeper. Putin would love for the US to elect an incompetent as President. It's his big chance to facilitate that.

 

[Greenman]

Of course it does, are you nuts? Did they leak all the emails they had or did they omit ones counter to their narrative? Are any of the emails altered? Are they selectively quoted? Etc.

The actual content is pretty benign anyway, but the intent behind the leak is likely not. I have no idea if any of that happened, I just think it's funny that you're saying 'I know the Russian state intelligence service gave us this information but I'm sure it's fine'

Keep telling yourself that, keep believing in a group of people that think you're just another simpleton to be manipulated. Defend them, stand up for their honor, seek any path that leads away from facing the truth. That's what a good little minion does, that's what you're doing right now.
You've been betrayed and refuse to face it.

 

[Jhhnn]

I can only imagine the leftist circle jerk here if there was a republican email leak calling the effort to reach Hispanics as a 'taco bowl engagement'...yet to the usual apologists here, when the DNC does it, apparently it is not a big deal...

That was a characterization by a single DNC staffer afaict. Out of 19,000 emails.

Nor was it intended for publication like Trump's taco bowl.

 

[fskimospy]

Keep telling yourself that, keep believing in a group of people that think you're just another simpleton to be manipulated. Defend them, stand up for their honor, seek any path that leads away from facing the truth. That's what a good little minion does, that's what you're doing right now.
You've been betrayed and refuse to face it.

How have I been betrayed? Are you joking or do you actually believe something that nuts?

The histrionics from conservatives about this email leak are pretty amusing. Imagine my surprise how they are suddenly deeply concerned with the relationship between the DNC and their constituents, haha.

 

[spacejamz]

That was a characterization by a single DNC staffer afaict. Out of 19,000 emails.

Nor was it intended for publication like Trump's taco bowl.

Like I said, if a republican staffer typed the exact same thing, the shit storm here would be incredible....

Why was there no reply saying that was inappropriate? That makes whoever read the email just as guilty so no, it not just one staffer....

 

[brycejones]

I can only imagine the leftist circle jerk

So I guess we can call this a "conservative" circle jerk.

 

[K1052]

Look a little deeper. Putin would love for the US to elect an incompetent as President. It's his big chance to facilitate that.

Or one who's clear intention is to withdraw american power globally. I'd rather not have the GRU deciding who our next president is.

 

[realibrad]

How have I been betrayed? Are you joking or do you actually believe something that nuts?

The histrionics from conservatives about this email leak are pretty amusing. Imagine my surprise how they are suddenly deeply concerned with the relationship between the DNC and their constituents, haha.

For me, the issue is that there seemed to be collusion all the way up to the top to get Bernie to lose. It shows a bias that should not be there, but I suspect has always been and will always be. I am also sure it happens on the other side, but is less effective as shown by Trump.

 

[Subyman]

Lol that press conference was hilarious. She was almost booed off the stage. I thought it was kind of nasty how she used the teen slaughter as a way to calm the crowd who was mad at her incompetence. Pretty shameful IMO. Loved how the crowd had a bunch of signs saying "emails" they were waving around while she tried to talk.

She should get out ASAP for the good of the convention.

 

[Subyman]

For me, the issue is that there seemed to be collusion all the way up to the top to get Bernie to lose. It shows a bias that should not be there, but I suspect has always been and will always be. I am also sure it happens on the other side, but is less effective as shown by Trump.

Im pretty sure the GOP used just as many if not more insider influence trying to get Trump to lose. Problem is, Trump simply has much more name recognition and novelty for the GOP base than Bernie did for the dems.

 

[K1052]

For me, the issue is that there seemed to be collusion all the way up to the top to get Bernie to lose. It shows a bias that should not be there, but I suspect has always been and will always be. I am also sure it happens on the other side, but is less effective as shown by Trump.

This is the nature of political parties. Remember that Bernie also wasn't a Dem, even though he caucused with them, until he decided to run. He had no particular allegiance to the party and nor did they to him. At the end of the day he simply got fewer votes than Clinton buy a significant margin. Even if he got all the changes he wanted he still would have come up well short of the nomination.

 

[K1052]

Lol that press conference was hilarious. She was almost booed off the stage. I thought it was kind of nasty how she used the teen slaughter as a way to calm the crowd who was mad at her incompetence. Pretty shameful IMO. Loved how the crowd had a bunch of signs saying "emails" they were waving around while she tried to talk.

She should get out ASAP for the good of the convention.

She should have been gone a long time ago. Always thought she was a nasty and not so competent piece of work.

 

[Pneumothorax]

Im pretty sure the GOP used just as many if not more insider influence trying to get Trump to lose. Problem is, Trump simply has much more name recognition and novelty for the GOP base than Bernie did for the dems.

Another big difference between the DNC/RNC is their power over the press. While the emails show tons of influence with MSNBC, Chuck Todd, and Politico, there's only one 'news' source the RNC has any influence with.... I'm sure the RNC tried the same things as the DNC to get rid of Trump, but the DNC is leagues ahead in the Game of Thrones... hahaha

 

[Knowing]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...erman-schultz-booed-off-stage-in-philadelphia

"We need to make sure we move together in a unified way," she said over shouts from the crowd.

As she spoke, people stood on chairs holding up signs that said "emails," "No!," and "Thanks for the 'help,' Debbie."

Others repeatedly shouted: “Shame.”

 

[fskimospy]

For me, the issue is that there seemed to be collusion all the way up to the top to get Bernie to lose. It shows a bias that should not be there, but I suspect has always been and will always be. I am also sure it happens on the other side, but is less effective as shown by Trump.

The idea that the DNC was ever going to be completely neutral between someone who had been building the party for the past 30 years and someone who literally just switched their affiliation to run shortly before the election is kind of ridiculous. I have no doubt that the DNC favored Clinton to some extent.

That being said, I don't see anything in these emails that is particularly noteworthy outside of that one email that seemed to question Sanders's religious beliefs. That was very inappropriate.

Also, the DNC exists for the primary purpose of getting Democrats elected. After Super Tuesday Sanders had basically no chance to win, so trying to push him out at that point was in the best interests of the party. That's what I would have been doing.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Look a little deeper. Putin would love for the US to elect an incompetent as President. It's his big chance to facilitate that.

Trump or Hillary. We're going to have an incompetent for president.

 

[Knowing]

Look a little deeper. Putin would love for the US to elect an incompetent as President. It's his big chance to facilitate that.

Putin would love to have someone in the oval office that isn't trying to start a war with him too. Also, Putin handily outwitted the present administration (Hillary included) in Syria. Knowing what you must know, do you really want a rematch?

 

[Jhhnn]

Putin would love to have someone in the oval office that isn't trying to start a war with him too. Also, Putin handily outwitted the present administration (Hillary included) in Syria. Knowing what you must know, do you really want a rematch?

What evidence can you offer that the Admin is trying to start a war with Russia?

Outwitted in Syria? How so?

 

[realibrad]

The idea that the DNC was ever going to be completely neutral between someone who had been building the party for the past 30 years and someone who literally just switched their affiliation to run shortly before the election is kind of ridiculous. I have no doubt that the DNC favored Clinton to some extent.

Any collusion at all is unacceptable is it erodes the very foundation of democracy. If the DNC is truly the moral superior of political parties, then people should never be complacent about this. If the party simply wants to be the other side of the left, then fine, but that is not a world I want.

That being said, I don't see anything in these emails that is particularly noteworthy outside of that one email that seemed to question Sanders's religious beliefs. That was very inappropriate.

Agreed. From what I have read which is very limited, the big issue is the religion thing, but not unexpected as I live in a religious country. What is the bigger issue is not the details of the emails, but the fact that whey were working to get Bernie to lose. Regardless of his viability, that is a very bad thing to see at the top of the DNC. I wrecks credibility with voters that care about this type of thing.

Also, the DNC exists for the primary purpose of getting Democrats elected. After Super Tuesday Sanders had basically no chance to win, so trying to push him out at that point was in the best interests of the party. That's what I would have been doing.

And why is that an acceptable model? Why not call it out for being a POS political machine? Even if you believe its the least bad option, you should still be able to call it shit when its built upon shit.

 

[spacejamz]

So I guess we can call this a "conservative" circle jerk.

Pretty much...whenever something negative happens for one side, a circle jerk will commence for the other side...that is just the way it works...

See how easy it is to call a spade a spade?

It is pretty sad/hilarious that the usually apologists don't see anything wrong with the nature/tone of these emails...

 

[fskimospy]

Any collusion at all is unacceptable is it erodes the very foundation of democracy. If the DNC is truly the moral superior of political parties, then people should never be complacent about this. If the party simply wants to be the other side of the left, then fine, but that is not a world I want.

Well then you're looking for a moral purity that will never exist at any place in the world, ever. This is simply not a realistic way to look at politics. As the saying goes, it ain't beanbag.

Agreed. From what I have read which is very limited, the big issue is the religion thing, but not unexpected as I live in a religious country. What is the bigger issue is not the details of the emails, but the fact that whey were working to get Bernie to lose. Regardless of his viability, that is a very bad thing to see at the top of the DNC. I wrecks credibility with voters that care about this type of thing.

Not really, assuming no email hack it's the smart and rational thing to do. You have a guy who can't win who is resorting to increasingly desperate tactics to change that. Bad for the party, bad for elections. The primary process is a Democratic Party process and they want to use it to get the best candidate possible. I'm quite certain this happens in literally every primary. Why wouldn't it?

And why is that an acceptable model? Why not call it out for being a POS political machine? Even if you believe its the least bad option, you should still be able to call it shit when its built upon shit.

Wait, you want to call out an organization created for the explicit purpose of electing Democrats for... trying to elect Democrats? That's baffling. Or are you saying organizations built to further political party objective are 'shit'? If so, maybe politics isn't your thing.

 

[K1052]

And why is that an acceptable model? Why not call it out for being a POS political machine? Even if you believe its the least bad option, you should still be able to call it shit when its built upon shit.

Political parties, by their very nature, are political machines. None of them are supportive of outsiders nor am I really sure why they must be held to such a standard. From my perspective the positions of the party, it's membership, and how they are likely to govern take far more precedence than exactly how the political sausage is made.

 

[Guurn]

Look a little deeper. Putin would love for the US to elect an incompetent as President. It's his big chance to facilitate that.

It's funny. Like many I frequent a few different boards. On some of them the people associated with CtR are pretty obvious and they don't get moderated away because they would create or buy new accounts and we would have to figure out who is whom again.

This is almost word for word what they are saying on every board.

 

[Jhhnn]

Another big difference between the DNC/RNC is their power over the press. While the emails show tons of influence with MSNBC, Chuck Todd, and Politico, there's only one 'news' source the RNC has any influence with.... I'm sure the RNC tried the same things as the DNC to get rid of Trump, but the DNC is leagues ahead in the Game of Thrones... hahaha

Mere allegation w/o factual underpinning. How the Hell did Repubs get to go on so long about Ben-fucking-ghazi if they weren't manipulating the media? Birtherism? The rest of the faux scandals promulgated over the last 8 years?