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tcsenter

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Remember, Dave, this is the guy who thinks that the CBDTPA is a Good Thing (TM). You can't expect him to realize that lawyers and corporations will push the limits to the far unintended extents of the law and beyond to commit all sorts of unethical and immoral acts.
Please, refresh my memory. Was the CBDTPA the bill that would have made illegal:

- All electronic or electrical devices for which RIAA is not paid a royalty or licensing fee

- All computer networks for which RIAA is not paid a royalty or licensing fee

- All household appliances, residential wiring, light bulbs and cooking utensils

- Using a computer at home or in the office or in school or in the car

- Failure to allow a RIAA executive to have first crack at your virgin daughter

There have been so many claims by anti-RIAA crackpots, I have a hard time keeping them all straight. Thanks for refreshing my memory.
 

ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Please, refresh my memory. Was the CBDTPA the bill that would have made illegal:

- All electronic or electrical devices for which RIAA is not paid a royalty or licensing fee

- All computer networks for which RIAA is not paid a royalty or licensing fee

- All household appliances, residential wiring, light bulbs and cooking utensils

- Using a computer at home or in the office or in school or in the car

- Failure to allow a RIAA executive to have first crack at your virgin daughter

There have been so many claims by anti-RIAA crackpots, I have a hard time keeping them all straight. Thanks for refreshing my memory.
The CBDTPA would have made illegal all computers without a spyware chip that informs the corporations involved in what one is listening to, etc., and provides a way for them to remotely control computers, essentially making them the sole Administrator of all computer systems. Freedoms of speech and privacy (as guaranteed by the constitution of the United STates) are threatened by this legislation. If I remember correctly from our last argument about this (it's been a while), you don't seem to care that freedom is threatened, because you think the RIAA should have all the control it wants to do whatever it damn well pleases.
 

tcsenter

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The CBDTPA would have made illegal all computers without a spyware chip that informs the corporations involved in what one is listening to, etc., and provides a way for them to remotely control computers, essentially making them the sole Administrator of all computer systems.
Ah yes! I forgot to include that one in my list of choices. I remember now, thanks for the refresher.

I seem to also recall it forced everyone to use one of those coin operated lock-outs that would shut the power off to your home and place a derogatory on your credit history if you didn't shuck quarters in it every 10 minutes, the money being collected periodically by a RIAA employee who, of course, must be given a key to your home so he can come collect at his convenience, of course. If I recall correctly, you could opt for one of those credit card swipers instead of coin operated.

Its all coming back to me...
 

ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Ah yes! I forgot to include that one in my list of choices. I remember now, thanks for the refresher.

I seem to also recall it forced everyone to use one of those coin operated lock-outs that would shut the power off to your home and place a derogatory on your credit history if you didn't shuck quarters in it every 10 minutes, the money being collected periodically by a RIAA employee who, of course, must be given a key to your home so he can come collect at his convenience, of course. If I recall correctly, you could opt for one of those credit card swipers instead of coin operated.

Its all coming back to me...
Where the [expletive deleted] did you get all of that load of BS from. You accuse Dave of avoiding the issues, but you do the same, if not much moreso, yourself.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: jliechty
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Hello, if you would actually read the articles and quotes from Lawmakers and not just look at my posts you would see the Forest through the trees.

If I have a direct communication of anything I put that persons name clearly there and then : after. If it is a link to a article I put from: first. I will not be accused or have a problem like the NY Times had.

As for the States that passed the SDMCA MPPA Model Draft verbatum, there are committees working on Legislation to "fix" or to "ammend in order to prevent unintended consequences" what they just passed now that they are getting the proper feedback they didn't bother to get in the first place.
Remember, Dave, this is the guy who thinks that the CBDTPA is a Good Thing (TM). You can't expect him to realize that lawyers and corporations will push the limits to the far unintended extents of the law and beyond to commit all sorts of unethical and immoral acts.

You're right, he must be on the Payroll for either a State or Federal entity or a Hollywood Entity, maybe even the RIAA or MPAA themselves. In either case he certainly has the markings of a Paid Lobbyist for Private Interests.

"If the Enemy gets any closer we will see the whites of their eyes".




 

tcsenter

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Where the [expletive deleted] did you get all of that load of BS from.
You don't remember that one? Oh yeah, it was all the rage on anti-RIAA websites. Though, I might not be recalling it quite right.

Maybe it wasn't coin-operated, it could have just allowed RIAA to start drawing funds out of your checking account or charging your credit cards automatically without your consent or knowledge Definitely something like that, anyway.

You sure you don't remember? It was right in there along with making computers illegal, forcing all newly married couples to give RIAA executives consumation rights on their honeymoon, and making it illegal to build your own computer. Read up on it, educate yourself, get in the loop, think outside the box, fight the power!
 

dmcowen674

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OK Folks, I'm not sure if they have a DMCA in Australia but look what the RIAA is doing over there with the blessing of a Judge there:


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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:57:14 +1000 (EST)
From: Ian Cumming <ian@ids.org.au>
To: declan@well.com
Subject: Judge backs labels' MP3 search

Hi Declan,

A while ago I wrote to with concern that my University, including two
others in Australia were being forced to provide record companies with
an audit of their students' files.

Now it seems that Sony and EMI aren't happy with `find / -name *.mp3`.

They want to use computer forensic software such as EnCase[1] to conduct a
large scale search for copyright material on the University campus.

Last weekend's Australian reported[2]:

Justice Tamberlin preferred the search method proposed by Mr Thackray,
which included using specialist forensic software known as EnCase, to
the method proposed by the universities, which he said would prove too
limited.

Nevertheless, he said the method proposed by Mr Thackray would "reveal
a great deal of extraneous information , some of which may be
privileged or subject to confidentiality obligations".

"It must be remembered that none of the parties in this application, it
seems, are aware as to the full content of the material contained in
the very extensive records," he said

So it seems my personal privacy is going to be thrown out the window,
all for the sake of scaring a few students who thought it would be fun
to run Kazaa, and the record companies who thought it would be worthwile
pursuing them...

What do other politechers think about this? Is this worth fighting for?

[1] http://www.guidancesoftware.com/products/software/encaseforensic/index.shtm
[2]
http://australianit.news.com.au/common/print/0,7208,6518258%255E15306%255E%255Ebv,00.html




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ProviaFan

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While the RIAA does have the right to sue for infringement, they would be way overstepping their legal bounds if they tried that in the US (and I wouldn't be surprised if they've tried it already and gotten away with it). Since I do not know anything about Australian law, I couldn't say whether that is legal or not in .au, but if it is legal, it shouldn't be.
 

ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
You don't remember that one? Oh yeah, it was all the rage on anti-RIAA websites. Though, I might not be recalling it quite right.
Give me a link. If it isn't on the sites now, you can surely find some cached in google's archive.
Maybe it wasn't coin-operated, it could have just allowed RIAA to start drawing funds out of your checking account or charging your credit cards automatically without your consent or knowledge Definitely something like that, anyway.
Maybe you're getting things that happened in another quantum universe confused with happenings in this one, or maybe you're just full of BS - I'm not sure which.
You sure you don't remember? It was right in there along with making computers illegal, forcing all newly married couples to give RIAA executives consumation rights on their honeymoon, and making it illegal to build your own computer.
And when will it end? The stupid sarcasm continues...
Read up on it, educate yourself, get in the loop, think outside the box, fight the power!
How ironically appropriate for yourself. You say "fight the power," but yet you mindlessly go along with whatever the "power" wants to do.
 

tcsenter

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Give me a link. If it isn't on the sites now, you can surely find some cached in google's archive
I'm sure dmcowen has it all archived for ya and given his usual propensity to assist anyone looking for anything of any veracity unfavorable to RIAA I'm sure he'd only be too happy to help you find what you're looking for - whatever it is or where ever he has to get it.
 

dmcowen674

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: jliechty
Originally posted by: tcsenter
You don't remember that one? Oh yeah, it was all the rage on anti-RIAA websites. Though, I might not be recalling it quite right.
Give me a link. If it isn't on the sites now, you can surely find some cached in google's archive.
Maybe it wasn't coin-operated, it could have just allowed RIAA to start drawing funds out of your checking account or charging your credit cards automatically without your consent or knowledge Definitely something like that, anyway.
Maybe you're getting things that happened in another quantum universe confused with happenings in this one, or maybe you're just full of BS - I'm not sure which.
You sure you don't remember? It was right in there along with making computers illegal, forcing all newly married couples to give RIAA executives consumation rights on their honeymoon, and making it illegal to build your own computer.
And when will it end? The stupid sarcasm continues...
Read up on it, educate yourself, get in the loop, think outside the box, fight the power!
How ironically appropriate for yourself. You say "fight the power," but yet you mindlessly go along with whatever the "power" wants to do.

Easy, don't need to give any Mods fuel for what would be called Flaming or Baiting or whatever they call stuff when it gets what seems to be over a line and out of hand between individuals and no longer on a subject.

The banter has been good and I am not offended by Tcsenter at all. Facts, links, quotes etc all speak for themselves on my behalf. Like I said I will not have the problem that those individuals from the NY Times had, that is a very sad footnote in Journalism history. :(

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Give me a link. If it isn't on the sites now, you can surely find some cached in google's archive
I'm sure dmcowen has it all archived for ya and given his usual propensity to assist anyone looking for anything of any veracity unfavorable to RIAA I'm sure he'd only be too happy to help you find what you're looking for - whatever it is or where ever he has to get it.

Interesting you used the word "Propensity" and usual. I won't go into details but I'll say it has directly to do with pure fabrication, lies and conspiracy of what the Investigating Officers said in my case about me, absolute BS. That either makes you an Attorney or an Agent.

I'd stay far away from this guy people, far away.



 

tcsenter

Lifer
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Interesting you used the word "Propensity" and usual. I won't go into details but I'll say it has directly to do with pure fabrication, lies and conspiracy of what the Investigating Officers said in my case about me, absolute BS. That either makes you an Attorney or an Agent.
BOO! haha, you can come out from under the bed now. Just little old me here.
rolleye.gif
 

ProviaFan

Lifer
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Interesting you used the word "Propensity" and usual. I won't go into details but I'll say it has directly to do with pure fabrication, lies and conspiracy of what the Investigating Officers said in my case about me, absolute BS. That either makes you an Attorney or an Agent.

I'd stay far away from this guy people, far away.
I'm going to stop trying to argue with him for several reasons. First, I don't want to get myself banned. Second, he has shown that he does not care about facts or personal liberties, so it would be like trying to argue with Hilary Rosen about the Fair Use provisions of the Copyright Law.
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: Fencer128
I guess the simple answer is money - but why is it that such a stupid bill as the DMCA is even being considered - let alone debated.

Cheers,

Andy


You answered your own question.... money. Do you actually think senators and congressmen are there in Washington to do anything sensible? They have got a mission. To leave Washington with more money in their pocket than they came with. I am sure a lot of money was pushed their by some companies that could profit ffrom this legislation.
 

tcsenter

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I'm going to stop trying to argue with him for several reasons. First, I don't want to get myself banned. Second, he has shown that he does not care about facts or personal liberties, so it would be like trying to argue with Hilary Rosen about the Fair Use provisions of the Copyright Law.
That's funny considering that our last discussion ended with you slinking away without comment after I proved that whatever bill we were discussing did not do what you (or those you were supporting) claimed it would do.

Please, check yourself before I decide to spend a few hours humiliating you again. Or not, might be fun.
 

ProviaFan

Lifer
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Originally posted by: tcsenter
That's funny considering that our last discussion ended with you slinking away without comment after I proved that whatever bill we were discussing did not do what you (or those you were supporting) claimed it would do.
Please, check yourself before I decide to spend a few hours humiliating you again. Or not, might be fun.
Link please? It would be in the archives. Back up your claims instead of just making fun of those who prefer to prioritize personal liberties over corporate greed.
 

tcsenter

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Link please? It would be in the archives. Back up your claims instead of just making fun of those who prefer to prioritize personal liberties over corporate greed.
Oh, haha! Oh boy, now you want "links" for verification. Wow, this is new for you. You just accept without pause any old tripe dmcowen and his anti-RIAA file-trading palls pull out of their ass.

lol! Yeah, I'll provide as much 'verification' as you're accustomed to demanding - none.
 

ProviaFan

Lifer
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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Link please? It would be in the archives. Back up your claims instead of just making fun of those who prefer to prioritize personal liberties over corporate greed.
Oh, haha! Oh boy, now you want "links" for verification. Wow, this is new for you. You just accept without pause any old tripe dmcowen and his anti-RIAA file-trading palls pull out of their ass.
Excuse me, but Dave has been providing links to back up his claims. You have not.
lol! Yeah, I'll provide as much 'verification' as you're accustomed to demanding - none.
Well, I looked through the archives myself, and couldn't find this thread you speak of where you "won" your favorite argument.
 

dmcowen674

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Link please? It would be in the archives. Back up your claims instead of just making fun of those who prefer to prioritize personal liberties over corporate greed.
Oh, haha! Oh boy, now you want "links" for verification. Wow, this is new for you. You just accept without pause any old tripe dmcowen and his anti-RIAA file-trading palls pull out of their ass.

lol! Yeah, I'll provide as much 'verification' as you're accustomed to demanding - none.

Hmmm, I never said I was "Anti RIAA", there is a place for all Trade Groups. I actually agree with some of the things the RIAA does do in fact.


 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: jliechty
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Link please? It would be in the archives. Back up your claims instead of just making fun of those who prefer to prioritize personal liberties over corporate greed.
Oh, haha! Oh boy, now you want "links" for verification. Wow, this is new for you. You just accept without pause any old tripe dmcowen and his anti-RIAA file-trading palls pull out of their ass.
Excuse me, but Dave has been providing links to back up his claims. You have not.
lol! Yeah, I'll provide as much 'verification' as you're accustomed to demanding - none.
Well, I looked through the archives myself, and couldn't find this thread you speak of where you "won" your favorite argument.

Hehe, what is that saying people use? Powned or Owned?

 

ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Hehe, what is that saying people use? Powned or Owned?
"owned" or "0wned" is "h4x0r sp34k" for when somebody's computer security is compromised. It also has been applied in situations like this. FWIW, I found one thread where he did have the last post, but it wasn't in an argument with me (I never even saw the thread before it was archived, and hadn't posted in it). I can't say that it appeared that he decisively won the argument, though.

Edit: I don't really have time to carry on an extensive copyright protection debate right now, and I don't want to clutter your thread any more, so I'll just start a new CBDTPA thread sometime soon now that we have a Politics and News forum. :)
 

tcsenter

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Excuse me, but Dave has been providing links to back up his claims. You have not.
Oh yeah, about those 'links' and 'sources' Dave provides....

Samples from Texas SDMCA bill about to be passed anyday;

TV;

Makes skipping Commercials illegal thus outlawing devices such as Tivo and Re-playTV.
Utterly false. The Texas bills of interest are HB2121 and SB1116. In neither of those bills will you find any language even pertaining to Tivo or Replay, nor remotely describing a device whose purpose is to permit the user to 'skip' commercials, let alone criminalizing the possession or use of TIVO or any equivalent device.

The Senate Bill is virtually identical to the House Bill, both are expressly defined as "relating to the criminal and civil consequences of conduct involving the theft of or tampering with certain communication or information services." Bold emphasis mine. "Certain" communication or information services, which are then specifically described in the bill, not 'any sort of communication or information services anyone might be able to construe as a communication or information service no matter how far-fetched or unusual.'
Felony charges if you add more cable receivers in your home but only paying for one.
Utterly false.

The only reference to a felony in either bill amends Title 7 Chaper 31.14 of the Texas Penal Code and is limited only to the "MANUFACTURE, DISTRIBUTION, SALE, LEASE, OR ADVERTISEMENT OF" a prohibited device, not the possession or use of any prohibited device. This section is strictly enhancing penalties for those engaged in the manufacture, distribution, sale, and leasing of prohibited devices for financial gain, not for there mere possession or use of any prohibited devices.
S.B. No. 1116

AN ACT

relating to the criminal and civil consequences of conduct involving the theft of or tampering with certain communication or information services.

SECTION 5. The heading to Section 31.14, Penal Code, is
amended to read as follows:

Sec. 31.14. MANUFACTURE, DISTRIBUTION, SALE, LEASE, OR ADVERTISEMENT OF COMMUNICATION DEVICE OR UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS DEVICE.

SECTION 6. Subsections (a), (b), and (d), Section 31.14,
Penal Code, are amended to read as follows:
(a) A person commits an offense if, with the intent to
defraud a communication service provider, the person intentionally
or knowingly manufactures, develops, assembles, imports into the
state, exports out of the state, licenses, distributes, advertises,
sells, or leases, or offers for sale or lease:
(1) a communication device with an intent to aid in the
commission of an offense under Section 31.12 or 31.13;
(2) an unauthorized access device; or
(3) plans or instructions for assembling or
manufacturing a communication device or unauthorized access
device, with the knowledge that another person intends to use the
plans or instructions for the purpose of committing an offense
under Subdivision (1) or (2) or under Section 31.12 or 31.13[, a
device, a kit or part for a device, or a plan for a system of
components wholly or partly designed to make intelligible an
encrypted, encoded, scrambled, or other nonstandard signal carried
or caused by a multichannel video or information services
provider].
(b) In this section:
(1) "Communication device," "communication service,"
and "communication service provider" have the meanings assigned by
Section 31.12.
(2) "Unauthorized access device" has the meaning
assigned by Section 31.13.
(d) Except as otherwise provided by this subsection, an [An]
offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor. An offense
under this section is:
(1) a state jail felony if it is shown on the trial of
the offense that:
(A) the offense was committed with respect to
more than one but not more than 50 communication devices or
unauthorized access devices in a single criminal episode; or
(B) the defendant has been previously convicted
one time of an offense under this section or of an offense under
federal law or the laws of another state containing elements that
are substantially similar to the elements of an offense under this
section; or
(2) a felony of the third degree if it is shown on the
trial of the offense that:
(A) the offense was committed with respect to
more than 50 communication devices or unauthorized access devices
in a single criminal episode; or
(B) the defendant has been previously convicted
on two or more occasions of an offense under this section or of an
offense under federal law or the laws of another state containing
elements that are substantially similar to the elements of an
offense under this section.
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The above sections and subsections from SB1116 (Engrossed Version) contain the only instances of the word 'felony' in either of the bills.

Chapter 31.12 of the Texas Penal Code deals with personal use or possession of a prohibited device (such as adding an additional cable receiver without permission from the cable company) and neither HB2121 nor SB1116 amend 31.12 in any way to add the word 'felony' to any part of 31.12.
DSL service;

You must only use the DSL Modem provided by the Telco and must load their DSL software that puts Spyware and Adware on your Computer otherwise you are committing a Felony crime.
Utterly false.

Again, the only felony class liability invoked by either bill is relating to those engaged in the manufacture, distribution, sale, and leasing of prohibited devices for financial gain, not for possession or use of any prohibited devices by an individual for personal use (31.12). Not that it is even true that you cannot use your own DSL modem or modem software, provided that you're not doing so to defeat bandwidth caps or limitations in order to steal bandwidth for which you're not paying (which one might argue is already a Class C misdemeanor by current Texas statute).

What is particularly funny is that I just chose to review the Texas bills at random to see how truthful or accurate Robert Costner's allegations were regarding what these bills do. Of course, it is by no coincidence or extraordinary stroke of luck that I found gross inaccuracies and lies on my first try. There is a documented pattern of lies and misrepresentation by anti-RIAA zealots. I knew I would find their claims to patently fraudulent, they always are.

Unlike any of the lying anti-RIAA websites Dave relies upon, I provide direct links to the text of the bills from the legislature itself so that anyone can go read the bills for themselves instead of 'trusting me'. I don't provide 'my own modified version' of the text then imply it is the 'actual unmodified' text of the bill as Daves sources do.

Shall I go on and refute the rest of Costner's tripe? Just looking for an excuse.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Excuse me, but Dave has been providing links to back up his claims. You have not.
Oh yeah, about those 'links' and 'sources' Dave provides....

Samples from Texas SDMCA bill about to be passed anyday;

TV;

Makes skipping Commercials illegal thus outlawing devices such as Tivo and Re-playTV.
Utterly false. The Texas bills of interest are HB2121 and SB1116. In neither of those bills will you find any language even pertaining to Tivo or Replay, nor remotely describing a device whose purpose is to permit the user to 'skip' commercials, let alone criminalizing the possession or use of TIVO or any equivalent device.

The Senate Bill is virtually identical to the House Bill, both are expressly defined as "relating to the criminal and civil consequences of conduct involving the theft of or tampering with certain communication or information services." Bold emphasis mine. "Certain" communication or information services, which are then specifically described in the bill, not 'any sort of communication or information services anyone might be able to construe as a communication or information service no matter how far-fetched or unusual.'
Felony charges if you add more cable receivers in your home but only paying for one.
Utterly false.

The only reference to a felony in either bill amends Title 7 Chaper 31.14 of the Texas Penal Code and is limited only to the "MANUFACTURE, DISTRIBUTION, SALE, LEASE, OR ADVERTISEMENT OF" a prohibited device, not the possession or use of any prohibited device. This section is strictly enhancing penalties for those engaged in the manufacture, distribution, sale, and leasing of prohibited devices for financial gain, not for there mere possession or use of any prohibited devices.
S.B. No. 1116

AN ACT

relating to the criminal and civil consequences of conduct involving the theft of or tampering with certain communication or information services.

SECTION 5. The heading to Section 31.14, Penal Code, is
amended to read as follows:

Sec. 31.14. MANUFACTURE, DISTRIBUTION, SALE, LEASE, OR ADVERTISEMENT OF COMMUNICATION DEVICE OR UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS DEVICE.

SECTION 6. Subsections (a), (b), and (d), Section 31.14,
Penal Code, are amended to read as follows:
(a) A person commits an offense if, with the intent to
defraud a communication service provider, the person intentionally
or knowingly manufactures, develops, assembles, imports into the
state, exports out of the state, licenses, distributes, advertises,
sells, or leases, or offers for sale or lease:
(1) a communication device with an intent to aid in the
commission of an offense under Section 31.12 or 31.13;
(2) an unauthorized access device; or
(3) plans or instructions for assembling or
manufacturing a communication device or unauthorized access
device, with the knowledge that another person intends to use the
plans or instructions for the purpose of committing an offense
under Subdivision (1) or (2) or under Section 31.12 or 31.13[, a
device, a kit or part for a device, or a plan for a system of
components wholly or partly designed to make intelligible an
encrypted, encoded, scrambled, or other nonstandard signal carried
or caused by a multichannel video or information services
provider].
(b) In this section:
(1) "Communication device," "communication service,"
and "communication service provider" have the meanings assigned by
Section 31.12.
(2) "Unauthorized access device" has the meaning
assigned by Section 31.13.
(d) Except as otherwise provided by this subsection, an [An]
offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor. An offense
under this section is:
(1) a state jail felony if it is shown on the trial of
the offense that:
(A) the offense was committed with respect to
more than one but not more than 50 communication devices or
unauthorized access devices in a single criminal episode; or
(B) the defendant has been previously convicted
one time of an offense under this section or of an offense under
federal law or the laws of another state containing elements that
are substantially similar to the elements of an offense under this
section; or
(2) a felony of the third degree if it is shown on the
trial of the offense that:
(A) the offense was committed with respect to
more than 50 communication devices or unauthorized access devices
in a single criminal episode; or
(B) the defendant has been previously convicted
on two or more occasions of an offense under this section or of an
offense under federal law or the laws of another state containing
elements that are substantially similar to the elements of an
offense under this section.
--------

The above sections and subsections from SB1116 (Engrossed Version) contain the only instances of the word 'felony' in either of the bills.

Chapter 31.12 of the Texas Penal Code deals with personal use or possession of a prohibited device (such as adding an additional cable receiver without permission from the cable company) and neither HB2121 nor SB1116 amend 31.12 in any way to add the word 'felony' to any part of 31.12.
DSL service;

You must only use the DSL Modem provided by the Telco and must load their DSL software that puts Spyware and Adware on your Computer otherwise you are committing a Felony crime.
Utterly false.

Again, the only felony class liability invoked by either bill is relating to those engaged in the manufacture, distribution, sale, and leasing of prohibited devices for financial gain, not for possession or use of any prohibited devices by an individual for personal use (31.12). Not that it is even true that you cannot use your own DSL modem or modem software, provided that you're not doing so to defeat bandwidth caps or limitations in order to steal bandwidth for which you're not paying (which one might argue is already a Class C misdemeanor by current Texas statute).

What is particularly funny is that I just chose to review the Texas bills at random to see how truthful or accurate Robert Costner's allegations were regarding what these bills do. Of course, it is by no coincidence or extraordinary stroke of luck that I found gross inaccuracies and lies on my first try. There is a documented pattern of lies and misrepresentation by anti-RIAA zealots. I knew I would find their claims to patently fraudulent, they always are.

Unlike any of the lying anti-RIAA websites Dave relies upon, I provide direct links to the text of the bills from the legislature itself so that anyone can go read the bills for themselves instead of 'trusting me'. I don't provide 'my own modified version' of the text then imply it is the 'actual unmodified' text of the bill as Daves sources do.

Shall I go on and refute the rest of Costner's tripe? Just looking for an excuse.

You are very good at what they call Spinning or a Spinster? Interesting how you only focused on the Felony portion of the wording in the case of this bill and not the DMCA portion where if you do not have permission from the provider for using hardware or software you are in violation. That is where all of the arguments above come into being.



 

ProviaFan

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I started scanning through HB2121, but haven't had time to read all of it, or the other bills, but this particular part jumped out at me as ripe for being misinterpreted by ISPs who want people to pay an arm and several legs to have more than one computer hooked up to their connection (when an inexpensive router would normally legally suffice):
SECTION 6. Sections 31.14(a), (b), and (d), Penal Code, are
amended to read as follows:
(a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally
or knowingly manufactures, assembles, imports into the state,
exports out of the state, distributes, advertises, sells, or
leases, or offers for sale or lease:
(1) a communication device with an intent to:
(A) aid in the commission of an offense under
Section 31.12 or 31.13; or
(B) conceal from a communication service
provider, or from any lawful authority, the existence or place of
origin or destination of any communication;

(2) an unauthorized access device; or
(3) plans or instructions for assembling or
manufacturing a communication device or unauthorized access
device, with the knowledge that another person intends to use the
plans or instructions for an unlawful purpose