Division by zero now possible - a new evolution in math?

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illusion88

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Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
there's no such thing as "now exists" if it exists now it always existed.

stupid new age hogwash!

so what happens when you create something? :confused:
 

rivan

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Nullity sounds like a word Bush would make up.

How many's in a Brazilian?!?!
 

kedlav

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Speaking as a mathematician, this guy's theory is to math what homeopathic healing is to medicine.
 

Perknose

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Now I'm confused. I'd always thought the Zero was a fighter plane made by Mitsubishi but according to this new math it's also an auto line made by Nissan.

In proper English, one can still say that one is the lonliest number without being negative, can't one?

Sigh. Now I'm confused again.
 

Injury

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Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
Article does a piss poor job at explaining how it actually works.

Actually, the big "discovery" is quite clear. It's not about how it works, it's about how it makes computers KEEP working when they have to divide by zero. It basically gives a false value to it just to return a response and not make computers crash. It's really just an answer to a problem that better coding should have prevented.
 

yankeesfan

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Originally posted by: Leros
Originally posted by: yankeesfan
Nullity divided by nullity = 1?

You can't divide by zero.

But that is what this whole thing is about, isn't it? He gives a number that equates to zero/zero. This number divided by itself should be 1, or the whole thing is useless.
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
Article does a piss poor job at explaining how it actually works.

Actually, the big "discovery" is quite clear. It's not about how it works, it's about how it makes computers KEEP working when they have to divide by zero. It basically gives a false value to it just to return a response and not make computers crash. It's really just an answer to a problem that better coding should have prevented.

Compilers should have code in it to default to zero when a divide by zero. Doesn't take a new branch of math to get that.

 

rikadik

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I like this guy. Using his approach we can find the answer to anything. We just have to invent a number/word/whatever which is, by definition, the answer to the question.

What's the meaning of life? Bromigsplat.
What's zero divided by lettuce? %^&*

Cool.
 

AgentJean

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Originally posted by: George P Burdell
I stopped reading after this: "Imagine you're landing on an aeroplane and the automatic pilot's working," he suggests. "If it divides by zero and the computer stops working - you're in big trouble. If your heart pacemaker divides by zero, you're dead."

Hogwash!

Not if your plane and pacemaker is running Windows 95. :p
 

So

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: Leros
Originally posted by: yankeesfan
Nullity divided by nullity = 1?

You can't divide by zero.

Nullity isn't zero....

Nullity = 0/0

Nullity / Nullity= (0/0)/(0/0) != 1 therefore, Nullity/Nullity is just as much a special case as 0/0 and makes things more confusing.

 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: George P Burdell
I stopped reading after this: "Imagine you're landing on an aeroplane and the automatic pilot's working," he suggests. "If it divides by zero and the computer stops working - you're in big trouble. If your heart pacemaker divides by zero, you're dead."

Hogwash!

If your pacemaker divides by zero, you're dead.
Oh, ok, the denominator in the equation must be the input signal from the heart = 0. In that case, the statement is accurate. When it divides by zero, you're dead, because your heart has already died. The cause and effect are perceived in the wrong order, that's all.
You're already dead, the effect is that the pacemaker divides by zero.
It makes perfect sense!

:D


Originally posted by: rikadik
I like this guy. Using his approach we can find the answer to anything. We just have to invent a number/word/whatever which is, by definition, the answer to the question.

What's the meaning of life? Bromigsplat.
What's zero divided by lettuce? %^&*

Cool.
That's kind of what it sounds like. 0/0 is undefined.
Ok, let's define it as "something." But does that "something" have any more meaning than it did before?

Nullity. n. - A word used to refer to 0/0, an otherwise undefinable fraction.
 

jman19

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Seems like what he's really doing is forcing a standard for NaN so that whenever you'd get NaN it is equal to any other NaN. He just wants to justify its existence to the mathematical community.
 

imported_inspire

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Originally posted by: misle
I sent that to a friend's wife, who has a Ph D in math and she said that that was the dumbest thing she ever read.

not that I can add much to that, but with a BS in math and soon an MS in stats - dividing by zero has always been feasible, but not well-defined, rendering it pretty useless. It hasn't 'stopped' us like the ground stops rain- L'Hopital worked around it okay.

Diving by zero, or the additive inverse, doesn't wash in lots of algebraic structures. If this goon actually figured out a way to make it make sense, he'd have done it in the context of abstract algebra - because our current numbers system can't do it. Since he seems to make it out to be so simple, I doubt he went that far.

$50 says the guy never wins a fields medal for this or anything else- who wants in?
 

Leros

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0/0 could be anything.

a/b = c
a = b*c

Let a = 0, b = 0.
0/0 = c.
0 = 0 * c is true for all c.