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Diversity

UglyCasanova

UglyCasanova

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In all aspects of life, wouldn't it be better if "diversity" was generated organically vs having policies, classes, quotas, etc to try and force it through? Instead of the best rising to the top, we get artificially generated diversity that might not be what's best for the company in question.

What is the point and what does it add?
 
UglyCasanova said:
In all aspects of life, wouldn't it be better if "diversity" was generated organically vs having policies, classes, quotas, etc to try and force it through? Instead of the best rising to the top, we get artificially generated diversity that might not be what's best for the company in question.

What is the point and what does it add?
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If there were no laws and no traditions that made it more likely that the friends and families of those already in power would have an easier time "rising", sure.
 
Broadly speaking, I'd say the push for diversity via policies, quotas, etc. does nothing but weaken or dilute the existing culture and social structures. Diversity for it's own sake is a sure-fire way to balkanize a given region, and neuter a formerly prominent culture.

If there's any other point, I'm not seeing it yet.
 
I think the issue of "diversity" has a couple of questions that must be answered:

1. What kind or type of diversity?

2. What is the expected benefit under #1 above?

Fern
 
UglyCasanova said:
In all aspects of life, wouldn't it be better if "diversity" was generated organically vs having policies, classes, quotas, etc to try and force it through? Instead of the best rising to the top, we get artificially generated diversity that might not be what's best for the company in question.

What is the point and what does it add?
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It adds Nothing of Positive Value and it is ALL BULLSHIT!!
 
If anything, history shows that diverse societies are conducive to conflict, while homogeneous ones are more stable. Diversity is cute, but it's not all that great.
 
UglyCasanova said:
In all aspects of life, wouldn't it be better if "diversity" was generated organically vs having policies, classes, quotas, etc to try and force it through? Instead of the best rising to the top, we get artificially generated diversity that might not be what's best for the company in question.

What is the point and what does it add?
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You mean, as opposed to the artificially generated homogeneity which comes about through socially transmitted beliefs and attitudes? The push toward diversity that you are discussing is best viewed as a reaction to its equal and opposite counterpart. Both are "artificial" in the sense that they are imposed through social structures. The question isn't what is "organic" as that is essentially meaningless. The question is, what is preferable for society in terms of balancing diversity versus homogeneity.

That is a complex question, but my own view is that society benefits from homogeneity to the extent that we are talking about shared core values, and also a shared language which facilitates communication. So far as everything else - skin color, or how people dress, what music they listen or what food they eat - it is probably beneficial to have some diversity. People of different cultures can bring different skills sets and experiences which can strengthen society. But if there is a total lack of assimilation to the core values and language of the culture, then there is a problem.

It isn't really a question of one or the other. It's what balance you strike between the two.
 
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If anything, history shows that diverse societies are conducive to conflict, while homogeneous ones are more stable. Diversity is cute, but it's not all that great.
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Anyone ever notice that diversity and multiculturalism is only forced onto certain nations? Places like Africa, India, China, Japan... they're totally allowed to be as mono-culture as they like. :hmm:
 
I love diversity.
God... who would want everything the same? So boring.
I'd like and prefer neighbors of all races, colors and religion including those of no religion to surround me.
I never understood how a race or a group could be written off as useless or something to be feared and to avoid.
I just don't get it.
It's just human nature to accept everyone. Look at a child, they accept everyone.
It's not until their parents or other adults have a negative influence when they too become bigoted.
My first experience with diversity was back in grade school.
The teach was PG and took off the second half of the year to have her baby.
We got a sub, a lady from England with a beautiful english accent.
I was in love!!!!

An accent might not the best diversity example, but that small experience set me on a different direction. When mom and dad were using the N word or seemed to think all Hispanic families traveled to the K-Mart in packs, I knew they were seriously brain washed from their youth. And from their own parents.
Luckily, just that one experience with a teacher speaking an English accent provided me with all the necessary immunity I needed against my parents very bigoted attitudes.
And I learned, once that bigotry sets in it is practically impossible to change that person. Bigotry can become hard coded, just like skin color, race and gender.
Cheer·i·o people 😉

PS. Bill Maher had an interesting segment on this weeks HBO Bill Maher show.
How republicans can be against most everything until it hits home.
Like Cheney supporting SS marriage because his daughter is GAy.
Or Nancy Reagan pro stem cell research because her hubby Ronnie suffered from Alzheimer's Disease, which stem sell research might cure.
Or Jeb Bush accepting of Hispanics because... he is married to one.
And Bill pointed out how in the first half of the republican debate, republican candidates bashed immigrants. And the second half, Marco, Ted and who ever that other guy is all bragged how their parents came to America as poor immigrants barely speaking English.

Immigrants of today? OOOOH BAD!!!
An immigrant parent of their own? Something to brag about and proud of.

A case of Gays, SS marriage, Obamacare, Hispanics, Blacks, science, research or technology in their family could change all republicans into, well... into human beings.
But only if and when it hits home.....

Maybe we set up Donald in a kinky $10 a night hotel rooms with a group of Black Lives Matter protestors and a little weed, or set up Cruz with the entire LGBT community (or one Atheist), and set up Marco and a man with really small hands.
What is it with some republicans? Is it something in the water?
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sportage said:
I love diversity.
God... who would want everything the same? So boring.
I'd like and prefer neighbors of all races, colors and religion including those of no religion to surround me.
I never understood how a race or a group could be written off as useless or something to be feared and to avoid.
I just don't get it.
It's just human nature to accept everyone. Look at a child, they accept everyone.
It's not until their parents or other adults have a negative influence when they too become bigoted.
My first experience with diversity was back in grade school.
The teach was PG and took off the second half of the year to have her baby.
We got a sub, a lady from England with a beautiful english accent.
I was in love!!!!
An accent might not the best diversity example, but that small experience set me on a different direction. When mom and dad were using the N word or seemed to think all Hispanic families traveled to the K-Mart in packs, I knew they were seriously brain washed from their youth. And from their own parents.
Luckily, just that one experience with a teacher speaking an English accent provided me with all the necessary immunity I needed against my parents very bigoted attitudes.
And I learned, once that bigotry sets in it is practically impossible to change that person. Bigotry can become hard coded, just like skin color, race and gender.
Cheer·i·o people 😉
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Good post! My mom told me about something she learned when she was 5 years old. She and her mom (my grandma, obviously), were walking through a store and mom said she walked up to a black lady and said "hi there, you old ni@@er nose". She said she can remember the lady just looking coldly at her mother and saying "they learn it in the home". I've never heard my mother say anything derogatory about another race the whole time I was growing up, but she told that story so we would think about it and not say terrible things like that to people.
 
I grew up being taught with christian faith and despite some of the garbage thats out there its supposed to be love your neighbor as yourself sort of thing. So as a family we accepted everyone.
Im all about equal rights and everyone should get the same chance or opportunity but it should be based on ability.
I always thought that black people were just as skilled as whites or whites just as skilled as asians yet we have a system in place that punishes those who are better. And we call it fairness when it isnt.
 
Diversity and the acceptance thereof is in large part dependent on the perception of others being a threat to one's existence, of one's beliefs.

Once this "threat of being threatened" is overcome, once this idea of believing in a cherished common cause or of belonging to and protecting a higher order than that of self is achieved, diversity flourishes.

For example, in all-out war, where each individual's survival solely depends on the other guy next to you doing his job as well as or better than yourself a unique bond is created. An intangible agreement is made that together, one may survive a horrific threat to one's existence. Repeat that experience a few times and wadd'a-you-know; trust, reliance and mutual respect is proffered without saying a single word. An unbreakable bond is created where cultural and other differences no longer matter.

A common cause was protected where the very lives of those protectors were at stake, creating a common bond that transcends any and all other concerns.

Commonality is the tie that bonds, and it is so nebulously varied at so many levels, but all it takes is that one shared event that creates a bond of acceptance.
 
In the workplace diverse teams of qualified people tend to outperform homogeneous groups or diverse groups where discrimination is present.
 
When ya get two cultures, and slam 'em together, it ain't going to go well.

Us Brits still haven't gotten over England Vs Scotland, and hell, take a gander at what the male rapefugees have been up to, in response to welcoming them with open arms.

Try askin' a Native American about the diversity Europeans brought to the continent. It ain't a history of peace and harmony, despite what the Thanksgiving holiday would have ya believe.

Or a Yazidi. Muslims are oh-so-happy to have a Christian minority in their lands, promoting diversity. They get along just fine. Right? ...Right?
 
Blue_Max said:
Anyone ever notice that diversity and multiculturalism is only forced onto certain nations? Places like Africa, India, China, Japan... they're totally allowed to be as mono-culture as they like. :hmm:
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Are you the guy that goes around on Youtube, saying "Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, but America is being condemned to white genocide...bla...bla...bla"?

Because I don't think you've taken so much as a brief gander at the history of those lands.

Africa is probably one of the most diverse continents around, dude. Thousands of cultures, many with their own language. You couldn't be more wrong about that continent being a mono-culture. Take a look. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_of_Africa

And India? Come on man. It's similar to Africa, in that it's got all sorts of cultures in close proximity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_ethnic_groups

China is a pretty huge beast, and it's pretty fucking diverse. Over 56 ethnic groups, man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China
The major minority ethnic groups in China are Zhuang (16.9 million), Uyghur (11.5 million), Hui (10.5 million), Manchu (10.3 million), Miao (9.4 million), Yi (8.7 million), Tujia (8.3 million), Tibetan (6.2 million), Mongol (5.9 million), Dong (2.8 million), Buyei (2.8 million), Yao (2.7 million), Bai (1.9 million), Korean (1.8 million), Hani (1.6 million), Li (1.4 million), Kazakh (1.4 million), and Dai (1.2 million).
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There are more Mongols living in China than there are Scots in Scotland, for crying out loud.


Hell, even the fairly isolationist Japan has quite a few foreign cultures living on that tiny place. Notably, Filipino, Brazillian and Chinese minorites are fairly entrenched.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_of_Japan


...Have you ever google'd this matter before? All I had to do was type "Country/continent" coupled with "ethnic groups" into the search bar, and voila.

Mono-culture my left buttock, lad.
 
MajinCry said:
When ya get two cultures, and slam 'em together, it ain't going to go well.

Us Brits still haven't gotten over England Vs Scotland, and hell, take a gander at what the male rapefugees have been up to, in response to welcoming them with open arms.

Try askin' a Native American about the diversity Europeans brought to the continent. It ain't a history of peace and harmony, despite what the Thanksgiving holiday would have ya believe.

Or a Yazidi. Muslims are oh-so-happy to have a Christian minority in their lands, promoting diversity. They get along just fine. Right? ...Right?
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I get along fine here in Atlanta with a very diverse group of people.

Does my anecdote refute your anecdote?
 
Another one of those progressive talking points that has no evidence to support pushing for it, but it must be done because--liberalism! Progressives rail how Anglo-Saxon institutions that established quotas limiting the number of Jews in American colleges in the early parts of the 20th century was a terrible crime of systemic racism, but now progressives do the exact same thing to Asians today and somehow that's moral? When asked on how one is criminal racism and how the other is progressive and moral...crickets chirp.
 
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alcoholbob said:
Another one of those progressive talking points that has no evidence to support pushing for it, but it must be done because--liberalism! Progressives rail how Anglo-Saxon institutions that established quotas limiting the number of Jews in American colleges in the early parts of the 20th century was a terrible crime of systemic racism, but now progressives do the exact same thing to Asians today and somehow that's moral? When asked on how one is criminal racism and how the other is progressive and moral...crickets chirp.
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I think American colleges and universities missed out on the OfficalProgressiveMemo™ calling for limiting Asian attendance. I know I didn't get it.

Don't worry, I'll get on the horn with Saul Alinksky and George Soros and we'll clear this up right fast.
 
UglyCasanova said:
In all aspects of life, wouldn't it be better if "diversity" was generated organically vs having policies, classes, quotas, etc to try and force it through? Instead of the best rising to the top, we get artificially generated diversity that might not be what's best for the company in question.

What is the point and what does it add?
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The point is to prove whites are no longer prejudice. I don't believe it adds anything to society. Look at the places that aren't diverse, plenty of them are doing just fine without it.
 
MajinCry said:
Are you the guy that goes around on Youtube, saying "Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, but America is being condemned to white genocide...bla...bla...bla"?

Because I don't think you've taken so much as a brief gander at the history of those lands.

Africa is probably one of the most diverse continents around, dude. Thousands of cultures, many with their own language. You couldn't be more wrong about that continent being a mono-culture. Take a look. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_of_Africa

And India? Come on man. It's similar to Africa, in that it's got all sorts of cultures in close proximity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_ethnic_groups

China is a pretty huge beast, and it's pretty fucking diverse. Over 56 ethnic groups, man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China


There are more Mongols living in China than there are Scots in Scotland, for crying out loud.


Hell, even the fairly isolationist Japan has quite a few foreign cultures living on that tiny place. Notably, Filipino, Brazillian and Chinese minorites are fairly entrenched.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_of_Japan


...Have you ever google'd this matter before? All I had to do was type "Country/continent" coupled with "ethnic groups" into the search bar, and voila.

Mono-culture my left buttock, lad.
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As they say there are two sides to a coin.
I'm familiar with China so will refer to them since you posted a wikipidea reference to China.
China has 56 ethnic groups but people in China don't know you are of a certain ethnic group unless you tell them. Its like I'm white and you guessing what ethnic group I came from. Am I German, am I Russian, am I Norwegian? You can't really tell just by looking at me. China is the exact same way. You can't tell by looking at them if they are this minority or that minority or if they are actually a han majority. So the only way to know is if they actually tell you. "No I'm not a han Chinese, I'm a .....Chinese"
However currently in China the hui minority. Tibetan minority and the weiger minority are all having huge clashes with China. And interestingly enough they are all noticeably different in their physical features whereas the other minorities aren't.
And yes I prefer diversity. Have you ever seen a child from a mixed couple? Absolutely beautiful. But of course i see beauty in all races. The world though isn't so open minded.
 
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