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91TTZ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Liberals: They're just misunderstood! It's all whitey's fault!

if whitey didn't treat them like pieces of shyt for so long, they wouldn't have adapted and acted like pieces of shyt, passing on the shyt way of life from generation to generation.

That doesn't explain the identical behavior they exhibit in Canada, England, France, Brazil, and even Africa. It doesn't appear to be an isolated social issue.

wtf? can you prove that they act the same in those countries you stated or was it just your opinion?

I've been to most of those places, so I can say firsthand that this is the case.

I have a feeling that if someone disagrees with your pre-existing viewpoint, you're going to ask for evidence similar to that Chapelle Show episode.
 

JLGatsby

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Originally posted by: eits
asians actively came to this country to make a better life... blacks were forced to come here in crowded, unsanitary, enclosed, abysmal ships in order to make some white guy's life better.

400 HUNDRED YEARS AGO

That does not effect today. My ancestors came to America on cramped boats to escape rural poverty (from Germany in the mid 1800s) and many Irish immigrants were forced to come here to escape famine.
 

Vich

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Liberals: They're just misunderstood! It's all whitey's fault!

if whitey didn't treat them like pieces of shyt for so long, they wouldn't have adapted and acted like pieces of shyt, passing on the shyt way of life from generation to generation.

That doesn't explain the identical behavior they exhibit in Canada, England, France, Brazil, and even Africa. It doesn't appear to be an isolated social issue.

Ohhh boyyy....

Do you have the same opinion of other people?

Like Asians or Indians?

Let's bring up Asians.

Many came to this country with nothing, they were discrimimated against, abused, but with hard work they made themselves successful. The same applies to Canada as well. In fact, in most Western countries this is the case. The success seems to follow the people. On the other hand, with certain groups, failure follows the people, regardless of where on Earth they choose to live, even in their native country.

Also, I don't see a huge Asian component to the US penal system.

Wow, I never thought I would agree with 91TTZ (After that cat better than dog thread).

:)

 

Vich

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For how long were the Jews enslaved for (In Egypt, and in the roman empire?) I am sure it was alot longer than 400 years. You don't see them acting this way now do ya? :D
 

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Originally posted by: eits


asians actively came to this country to make a better life... blacks were forced to come here in crowded, unsanitary, enclosed, abysmal ships in order to make some white guy's life better.

huge difference.


Actually, if I recall correctly, the last African, slavery ship stopped over a century ago. Unless these blacks are over 100 years old, they were not forced over to the US. They were born here. However, like all Americans, I'm assuming if they really wanted to leave the US, no one is holding them back. They can immigrate "back" to Africa.

Stop using slavery as an excuse...

-Eleison
 

JLGatsby

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Originally posted by: Vich
For how long were the Jews enslaved for (In Egypt, and in the roman empire?) I am sure it was alot longer than 400 years. You don't see them acting this way now do ya? :D

Don't forget Asians during WWII, they were put in camps here in America. Jews in Europe. Both Asians and Jews have overcome adversity and become wildly successful and civilized people.
 

91TTZ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Andyb23

What about Indians or other groups?

I read that Indians in the West make a lot more than even white people.

Anyways I'm probably running into a dead end here /shrug

Indians are the same case. Hard work, good manners, a willingness to learn, and staying out of trouble add up to success.

It just amazes me how some people can go from having nothing to having something in a relatively short amount of time by actually trying hard, while others do nothing about their situation and resort to excuses, pointing to a past that's growing more distant with each passing day.

 

eits

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Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: eits
asians actively came to this country to make a better life... blacks were forced to come here in crowded, unsanitary, enclosed, abysmal ships in order to make some white guy's life better.

400 HUNDRED YEARS AGO

That does not effect today. My ancestors came to America on cramped boats to escape rural poverty (from Germany in the mid 1800s) and many Irish immigrants were forced to come here to escape famine.

yeah, it may have been 400 years ago, but the civil rights movement happened 40 years ago. 40 years is not enough time to erase 400 years of programming and conditioning.
 

eits

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Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: eits


asians actively came to this country to make a better life... blacks were forced to come here in crowded, unsanitary, enclosed, abysmal ships in order to make some white guy's life better.

huge difference.


Actually, if I recall correctly, the last African, slavery ship stopped over a century ago. Unless these blacks are over 100 years old, they were not forced over to the US. They were born here. However, like all Americans, I'm assuming if they really wanted to leave the US, no one is holding them back. They can immigrate "back" to Africa.

Stop using slavery as an excuse...

-Eleison

anyways, the history of a race and the way they were treated for hundreds and hundreds of years is significant in the way they're conditioned to act.

stop acting like you think it shouldn't matter.

and stop using your name at the end of your posts, as if it means anything to anyone.
 

Andyb23

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Andyb23

What about Indians or other groups?

I read that Indians in the West make a lot more than even white people.

Anyways I'm probably running into a dead end here /shrug

Indians are the same case. Hard work, good manners, a willingness to learn, and staying out of trouble add up to success.

It just amazes me how some people can go from having nothing to having something in a relatively short amount of time by actually trying hard, while others do nothing about their situation and resort to excuses, pointing to a past that's growing more distant with each passing day.

There may be some truth to that, I don't know how Indian-Americans got richer than white folks :confused:

They must be pretty smart...

But you know what they say... you never know until you've walked a mile in a mans shoes...
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: eits

yeah, it may have been 400 years ago, but the civil rights movement happened 40 years ago. 40 years is not enough time to erase 400 years of programming and conditioning.


Did it ever occur to you that maybe blaming whitey for everything isn't the correct answer?

Why don't you do a comparison, and compare the same race of people in their homeland to its people in other lands. Then, compare a different group of people in their homeland to its people in other lands.

While slavery and racism may have been a US thing, it seems that this type of behavior being exhibited by this group is common regardless of where they go. And racism didn't only affect blacks, they just seem to be the only group that hasn't done anything about their situation and instead points to past injustice.
 

eits

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Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Andyb23

What about Indians or other groups?

I read that Indians in the West make a lot more than even white people.

Anyways I'm probably running into a dead end here /shrug

Indians are the same case. Hard work, good manners, a willingness to learn, and staying out of trouble add up to success.

It just amazes me how some people can go from having nothing to having something in a relatively short amount of time by actually trying hard, while others do nothing about their situation and resort to excuses, pointing to a past that's growing more distant with each passing day.

There may be some truth to that, I don't know how Indian-Americans got richer than white folks :confused:

They must be pretty smart...

But you know what they say... you never know until you've walked a mile in a mans shoes...

because indians have more doctors per capita than any other race.
 

JLGatsby

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Originally posted by: eits
anyways, the history of a race and the way they were treated for hundreds and hundreds of years is significant in the way they're conditioned to act.

Explain it to us, what were they "conditioned and programmed" to behave like? I understand they were treated very badly and it's very unfortunate. But explain how they were "programmed." Programmed to behave like what? From what I understand, many, if not most, were "programmed" to behave civilized because their duties were housework and fieldwork. They were not raised by their captors to be these savages you make them out to be. I'm not making light of it, it was terrible, but you imply they were trained to be "worse."

But I still don't understand why you think our ancestors determine our behavior today. My ancestors behavior doesn't effect me today, why should it effect them?
 

Andyb23

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Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: eits
anyways, the history of a race and the way they were treated for hundreds and hundreds of years is significant in the way they're conditioned to act.

Explain it to us, what were they "conditioned and programmed" to behave like? I understand they were treated very badly and it's very unfortunate. But explain how they were "programmed." Programmed to behave like that? From what I understand, many, if not most, were "programmed" to behave civilized because their duties were housework and fieldwork.

But I still don't understand why you think our ancestors determine our behavior today. My ancestors behavior doesn't effect me today.

True but your ancestors were probably educated for generations just as mine were.

Some people haven't had the same bedrock.
 

91TTZ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: eits

anyways, the history of a race and the way they were treated for hundreds and hundreds of years is significant in the way they're conditioned to act.

Why don't you take a look at those African countries which sold the slaves to the Americans. How are they doing? They weren't victims of slavery; on the contrary, the profited financially from the trade. They weren't conditioned by anybody to act any certain way. How are they doing today?
 

eits

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Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: eits
anyways, the history of a race and the way they were treated for hundreds and hundreds of years is significant in the way they're conditioned to act.

Explain it to us, what were they "conditioned and programmed" to behave like? I understand they were treated very badly and it's very unfortunate. But explain how they were "programmed." Programmed to behave like that? From what I understand, many, if not most, were "programmed" to behave civilized because their duties were housework and fieldwork.

But I still don't understand why you think our ancestors determine our behavior today. My ancestors behavior doesn't effect me today.

if you treat someone like a dog enough, they'll start acting like it.
 

krunchykrome

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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: eits


asians actively came to this country to make a better life... blacks were forced to come here in crowded, unsanitary, enclosed, abysmal ships in order to make some white guy's life better.

huge difference.


Actually, if I recall correctly, the last African, slavery ship stopped over a century ago. Unless these blacks are over 100 years old, they were not forced over to the US. They were born here. However, like all Americans, I'm assuming if they really wanted to leave the US, no one is holding them back. They can immigrate "back" to Africa.

Stop using slavery as an excuse...

-Eleison

anyways, the history of a race and the way they were treated for hundreds and hundreds of years is significant in the way they're conditioned to act.

stop acting like you think it shouldn't matter.

and stop using your name at the end of your posts, as if it means anything to anyone.

bahahahahahaha
 

krunchykrome

Lifer
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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: eits
anyways, the history of a race and the way they were treated for hundreds and hundreds of years is significant in the way they're conditioned to act.

Explain it to us, what were they "conditioned and programmed" to behave like? I understand they were treated very badly and it's very unfortunate. But explain how they were "programmed." Programmed to behave like that? From what I understand, many, if not most, were "programmed" to behave civilized because their duties were housework and fieldwork.

But I still don't understand why you think our ancestors determine our behavior today. My ancestors behavior doesn't effect me today.

if you treat someone like a dog enough, they'll start acting like it.

You've been watching too many Jet Li movies.

You're really something, you know
 

Dumac

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Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Andyb23
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Andyb23

What about Indians or other groups?

I read that Indians in the West make a lot more than even white people.

Anyways I'm probably running into a dead end here /shrug

Indians are the same case. Hard work, good manners, a willingness to learn, and staying out of trouble add up to success.

It just amazes me how some people can go from having nothing to having something in a relatively short amount of time by actually trying hard, while others do nothing about their situation and resort to excuses, pointing to a past that's growing more distant with each passing day.

There may be some truth to that, I don't know how Indian-Americans got richer than white folks :confused:

They must be pretty smart...

But you know what they say... you never know until you've walked a mile in a mans shoes...

because indians have more doctors per capita than any other race.

I actually don't known any Indians :( That is a large region to not know anyone from...

As far as Asians are concerned, different cultures vary greatly as you travel from country to country. Some have a much more polite social standard, to the point where some Americans consider them obsequious. Example: Japan :p
 

eits

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Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Originally posted by: eits
anyways, the history of a race and the way they were treated for hundreds and hundreds of years is significant in the way they're conditioned to act.

Explain it to us, what were they "conditioned and programmed" to behave like? I understand they were treated very badly and it's very unfortunate. But explain how they were "programmed." Programmed to behave like that? From what I understand, many, if not most, were "programmed" to behave civilized because their duties were housework and fieldwork.

But I still don't understand why you think our ancestors determine our behavior today. My ancestors behavior doesn't effect me today.

if you treat someone like a dog enough, they'll start acting like it.

You've been watching too many Jet Li movies.

You're really something, you know

you really don't think that the zimbardo effect is a crock of bullshyt?
 

JLGatsby

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Originally posted by: Andyb23
True but your ancestors were probably educated for generations just as mine were.

My ancestors were savages. Ignorant and simpleminded and DIRT poor, and I do mean dirt poor, living in wood plank shanties (I've seen pictures) and addicted to alcohol and drugs (even the late 1800s). They came here as the lowest of the low. Yet I myself have managed to cross over to the civilized, educated world and embrace the culture of intellect you'd normally see in wealthy families (although I myself am not wealthy, but I do have the drive and attitudes of a wealthy person and I will almost certainly end my life as a wealthy person).

So don't play the "we had good families" on me.
 

Excelsior

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for those of use who've lived in a blue state in the north/east and a red state in the midwest/south know what i'm talking about when i say that poor blacks seem to act a lot worse in the midwest/south... arguments can be made about the cycle with the way they act and the negative images of blacks seen in the local news and remnants of jim crow.

Hahahahhaaha.....hahahahah....hahaha. That is one of the dumbest posts I have seen on here in a long time.