eits
Lifer
ahh racism my old friend....you're like a pair of shoes that never falls apart no matter how many times i stomp on _______ head. fill in the blank and see who you hate
GasX
Lifer
- Feb 8, 2001
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Yeah, hopefully you will take your add nothing posts elsewhere. Instead of just popping in and labelling people as racist as if that sums it all up and makes you special, why don't you particpate in the discussion? My guiess is that your two brain cells don't communicate well enough to produce rational arguments for or against a position, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Marinski
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DivideBYZero
Lifer
- May 18, 2001
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I can assure everyone here that the same exact or very similar scenario has played out in numerous white trash trailer parks throughout the southeastern U.S. time and time again. Now, why these particular people in this video decided to video tape this event and then let it leak out onto the news is beyond me. I'm guessing police must have found the tape while searching the house for some drugs or something, or else a neighbor saw what was going on and reported it. This is a class/poverty/education (or lack thereof) thing. That's what people want to hear right?
Number1
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- Feb 24, 2006
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Labeling an entire race of people as inferior because of the actions of a percentage of them is unrealistic, bigoted and blindsided. GL, 91 and many others, apparently, only see what they want to see. I think most black people are hard working law abiding citizens.
TehMac
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- Aug 18, 2006
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I think a lot of black people out there are encouraged to believe in the stereotypes and all that garbage because society dictates them to. People go around screaming Black rights, this rights that rights, but blacks at my school dress like gangsters, as if they have a right to because they're black. I like them, personally, they're good guys, but I don't like they're thoughts, and I don't like this black = gangster mentality. Its thanks to brilliants like fitty cent, all that jazz who give the blacks this false identity and think they can dress like gangsters and cite their rights when questioned about it.
I had a black friend, goes to a dif school now, he was actually different. He wore collared shirts, conservative jeans, actually hung them at his wasit like everybody else, and not at his knees. He was in English AP, he was making As, he was in Math Honors, he was doing all these things. He didn't hang with the other blacks who thought he was rather...odd. At my school, the blacks are mellow, all play football (except for the afore mentioned) and generally try, but do not apply themselves.
Mind you, I have no qualms about them playing football, better for them to do that than smoke pot, crack, as I've seen many do in Frisco (of course thats Frisco) and they are quite persoanble, as well as admirable. I don't think a single one of them is a hardcore druggie, if any of them are. I know at least one out of the three I'm talking about isn't. (3 on the football team).
I had a black friend, goes to a dif school now, he was actually different. He wore collared shirts, conservative jeans, actually hung them at his wasit like everybody else, and not at his knees. He was in English AP, he was making As, he was in Math Honors, he was doing all these things. He didn't hang with the other blacks who thought he was rather...odd. At my school, the blacks are mellow, all play football (except for the afore mentioned) and generally try, but do not apply themselves.
Mind you, I have no qualms about them playing football, better for them to do that than smoke pot, crack, as I've seen many do in Frisco (of course thats Frisco) and they are quite persoanble, as well as admirable. I don't think a single one of them is a hardcore druggie, if any of them are. I know at least one out of the three I'm talking about isn't. (3 on the football team).
eits
Lifer
my friend in high school dressed in fubu gear and wore big baggy jeans and wore "ice".... if you saw him, you'd probably think typical ghetto kid... would speak ebonics and whatnot when he was with his friends.
he was first or second chair violin in the washington orchestra, got excellent grades, worked in a community outreach program, and graduated from carnagie mellon with honors.
edit: oh, i forgot... he's black.
Gdepp519
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this is late into the post.. but wanted to add my 2 cents *clink* 
Personally I think think that yes there is definetly a certain degree of responsibilty on the part of the person to know the difference between right and wrong...
But,
I don't believe neccessarily that its just the persons fault you have to look at the enviroment.... If you remove the constraints of race and consider everyone the same then you're left with a whole new dynamic and personally I think that eventually leads to government.. now why do i say this.. to put it simply the rich stay rich and the poor remain poor... (even though this sucks.. Its a recurring theme through history and as much as it sucks to say it.. this will never change...)
my reason for saying that is from personal experience I use to live in a poor neighborhood and I can def tell you that.. it is extremely hard to work your way up the ladder of employement/job salary when you're starting off getting paid $6 an hr and have bills and a family to take care of.. because.. it most likely means you'll have to work 2 jobs.. and I know many families that had to live that lifestyle including mine for a while.... and if the parents work 2 jobs just to get by living.. then there is no one to take care of the children and personally I can give you a whole list of kids i know who would run rampant in the streets at nite.. becase they were never/rarely supervised... so if you're parents aren't around who will be able to teach you the difference betwee right and wrong?? the childs friends.. definitely not.. because that just leads to more problems.. and extreme cases i know of personally like.. commiting a crime and eventually jail
and in general local and federal government condone this.. because they need people in lower class to work the menial labor jobs... and so things like minimum wage are rarely increased... and even the quality of living in those neighborhoods is kept at bare minumums so that people can live in shabby houses for their menial wages... the simplest and most interesting example i can give that show this..... is the obvious difference in how the streets are maintained between rich/poor neighborhoods.. *yes i know it sounds ubsurd and silly but its a good example*
I'm an african american.. and my mother and father have both come from abusive households and from extremely impovershed neighborhoods in alabama and texas... and we moved to NYC eventually.. and from my personal experience growing up... my parents kept me extremely busy with school and sports.. and kept me sheltered from alot the things that they were subjected to and that has helped me alot and hurt me in some ways..... and because of their love and concern I've become the successful person I am today...
But as i stated i think yes alot has to do with personal responsibility but a huge part of it is enviorment and authority figures to guide you down the right path...
Personally I think think that yes there is definetly a certain degree of responsibilty on the part of the person to know the difference between right and wrong...
But,
I don't believe neccessarily that its just the persons fault you have to look at the enviroment.... If you remove the constraints of race and consider everyone the same then you're left with a whole new dynamic and personally I think that eventually leads to government.. now why do i say this.. to put it simply the rich stay rich and the poor remain poor... (even though this sucks.. Its a recurring theme through history and as much as it sucks to say it.. this will never change...)
my reason for saying that is from personal experience I use to live in a poor neighborhood and I can def tell you that.. it is extremely hard to work your way up the ladder of employement/job salary when you're starting off getting paid $6 an hr and have bills and a family to take care of.. because.. it most likely means you'll have to work 2 jobs.. and I know many families that had to live that lifestyle including mine for a while.... and if the parents work 2 jobs just to get by living.. then there is no one to take care of the children and personally I can give you a whole list of kids i know who would run rampant in the streets at nite.. becase they were never/rarely supervised... so if you're parents aren't around who will be able to teach you the difference betwee right and wrong?? the childs friends.. definitely not.. because that just leads to more problems.. and extreme cases i know of personally like.. commiting a crime and eventually jail
and in general local and federal government condone this.. because they need people in lower class to work the menial labor jobs... and so things like minimum wage are rarely increased... and even the quality of living in those neighborhoods is kept at bare minumums so that people can live in shabby houses for their menial wages... the simplest and most interesting example i can give that show this..... is the obvious difference in how the streets are maintained between rich/poor neighborhoods.. *yes i know it sounds ubsurd and silly but its a good example*
I'm an african american.. and my mother and father have both come from abusive households and from extremely impovershed neighborhoods in alabama and texas... and we moved to NYC eventually.. and from my personal experience growing up... my parents kept me extremely busy with school and sports.. and kept me sheltered from alot the things that they were subjected to and that has helped me alot and hurt me in some ways..... and because of their love and concern I've become the successful person I am today...
But as i stated i think yes alot has to do with personal responsibility but a huge part of it is enviorment and authority figures to guide you down the right path...
Wow.. One black family is having its kids fight, and ATOT uses it to go on a racist tirade. Then those same ATOTers go to P&N and flame Michael Richards for HIS racist tirade. Why wasn't the reaction the same when the white people made the little boy beat up the little girl???
And I can't believe 911TZ is talking about "the identical behavior they exhibit". You have got to be kidding me! You can insult "gangstas" all you want, but it's absolutely ridiculous to think your stereotypes apply to all people of that race. Are all white people trailer trash sleeping with their mothers to get back at their brothers?? Are all Asians members of the Triad? Do all Indians stink up the house with curry and program LISP?
STUPID PEOPLE COME IN EVERY COLOR
And I can't believe 911TZ is talking about "the identical behavior they exhibit". You have got to be kidding me! You can insult "gangstas" all you want, but it's absolutely ridiculous to think your stereotypes apply to all people of that race. Are all white people trailer trash sleeping with their mothers to get back at their brothers?? Are all Asians members of the Triad? Do all Indians stink up the house with curry and program LISP?
STUPID PEOPLE COME IN EVERY COLOR
You're right. If they were, they'd be slitting their wrists because they got grounded for getting a speeding ticket in the Range Rover.
I have never seen so much overt racism in my life than this thread. I'm not talking about not being PC - I'm talking about broad sweeping generalizations of a group of society based on your limited anecdotal evidence and this one video.
Case in point. A) This is obviously not "urban culture" - if you listen to their accents and look at the surroundings it is obviously an exurban or suburban/rural area. B) I have never heard a "left winger" (don't used politically charged terms like this - it makes you sound like a dumbass) advocate for 'urban culture and it's people.' In fact most 'left wingers' I have heard lament the poor urban planning and lack of capital development in poor inner city areas (as well as poor rural areas).
Please leave your ethnocentric arm chair sociology in your living room buddy.
These parents are FU**ED UP, and they should be thrown in prison for creating children that will not understand how to mesh with society - but this is not a race issue, it's an isolated incident or perhaps a CLASS issue. Once again I'm wary to say class becuase people like Gatsby will make broad generalizations.
Words like "ghetto trash" and making claims about the different geographical locations of blacks make you guys sound STUPID. Show me socilogical/economic/and anthropological EVIDENCE of these phenomena and then we can talk like rational adults. OH WAIT. You don't do research. You sit on your computer and nef and pretend like your word is the culmination of 15 years of life ethnography. Perhaps you even consulted a Washington Post or New York Times article on some random case such as this - good for you!
Forgive me for ranting here - I usually just ignore the psuedo-classist and racist comments on ATOT but this is just too blatant. And I am not saying all ATOT users or even people who think this video is fuc** up (as I do) are 'racist'. But those who make sweeping generalizations need to STFU until you have done research, met REAL people, and had enough culminating experience to be able to talk like you know what you are talking about.
-Anthro
(edit) And before anyone answers - having experience does not mean working with a black guy who stole stuff, seeing how people in the ghetto do drugs or steal cars, or anyother day to day observation that you make in an unobjective setting.
For those that are interested in one older study on violence in lower socio-economic settings look up on JSTOR an article called 'Crack in Spanish Harlem.'
Case in point. A) This is obviously not "urban culture" - if you listen to their accents and look at the surroundings it is obviously an exurban or suburban/rural area. B) I have never heard a "left winger" (don't used politically charged terms like this - it makes you sound like a dumbass) advocate for 'urban culture and it's people.' In fact most 'left wingers' I have heard lament the poor urban planning and lack of capital development in poor inner city areas (as well as poor rural areas).
Please leave your ethnocentric arm chair sociology in your living room buddy.
These parents are FU**ED UP, and they should be thrown in prison for creating children that will not understand how to mesh with society - but this is not a race issue, it's an isolated incident or perhaps a CLASS issue. Once again I'm wary to say class becuase people like Gatsby will make broad generalizations.
Words like "ghetto trash" and making claims about the different geographical locations of blacks make you guys sound STUPID. Show me socilogical/economic/and anthropological EVIDENCE of these phenomena and then we can talk like rational adults. OH WAIT. You don't do research. You sit on your computer and nef and pretend like your word is the culmination of 15 years of life ethnography. Perhaps you even consulted a Washington Post or New York Times article on some random case such as this - good for you!
Forgive me for ranting here - I usually just ignore the psuedo-classist and racist comments on ATOT but this is just too blatant. And I am not saying all ATOT users or even people who think this video is fuc** up (as I do) are 'racist'. But those who make sweeping generalizations need to STFU until you have done research, met REAL people, and had enough culminating experience to be able to talk like you know what you are talking about.
-Anthro
(edit) And before anyone answers - having experience does not mean working with a black guy who stole stuff, seeing how people in the ghetto do drugs or steal cars, or anyother day to day observation that you make in an unobjective setting.
For those that are interested in one older study on violence in lower socio-economic settings look up on JSTOR an article called 'Crack in Spanish Harlem.'
You got to be joking? Blacks in both the north and south speak like that, but the accent is stronger in the south. Those people are NOT rural or suburban. You must have never been to an "urban" area. I am 100% certain this took place in an "urban" area. Urban doesn't have to mean "Manhattan." In smaller US cities, like Tampa Bay (as in the video), urban is "older cheap houses" within the city.
No I am certian that LINGUISTIC STUDIES show difference of regional accents. Once again you are making generalizations without objective, scientific inquiry.
Once again, case in point.
Just going to a place does not mean you 'know the people'. I studied in China, it doesn't make me an expert on Daoist religion on Chinese economic philosophy. I am not trying to accuse you of being a racist - but I am accusing you of making generalizations about a people which is ALWAYS wrong and a slippery slope (i.e. all Nazis are evil, all Americans are part of 'big satan', etc.)
This is one case, judge things on a case by case basis. Use scientific methodology when analyzing socio-economic problems. Quit being an arm chair social scientist - it's ok to have an opinion - but once again please, please, please don't make generalizations.
(EDIT) And Yes, urban can mean a smaller urban city - but urban does not denote poverty, race, or any other such thing. Once again a generalization.
FACT: Those people live in an urban area.
I think someone posted a followup story to this, or if anyone knows a link to it, post it. I will prove it. I am that confident in my generalizations.
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