Distributed Folding team & individual rankings

[myocardia]

Here's the link. Hey guys, why do we only have 128 people on our team, half of which haven't even downloaded the new client? This is one of the protein folding clients that you can run without having broadband access, so we should have much more people interested, shouldn't we? Maybe it's just me, but finding out how proteins fold themselves seems much, much more important than finding another Mersenne prime, since we would move years ahead in medicine without having to spend money on research. Anyway, Distributed Folding is one of those distributed computing projects where just one more computer can have a large impact. If you think that one person might be you, here's the page where you download the software.

 

[dnuggett]

Another of those clients would be Folding at Home or F@H.

Maybe it's just me, but finding out how proteins fold themselves seems much, much more important than finding another Mersenne prime, since we would move years ahead in medicine without having to spend money on research.

It's probably not just you, but I'm sure it's not for everyone. This has been said time and time again in this forum, but what is important and to whom it is important to depends on the person who owns the computer that will be doing the crunching.

 

[kmmatney]

why are those stats so different than the Dyyryath stats?

Dyyryath Stats

Which one is right?

 

[MereMortal]

Originally posted by: kmmatney
why are those stats so different than the Dyyryath stats?

Dyyryath Stats

Which one is right?

The link by myocardia show the stats for the combination of phase I and II. Just the phase II stats agree with those of Dyyryath.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: dnuggett
Another of those clients would be Folding at Home or F@H.

Maybe it's just me, but finding out how proteins fold themselves seems much, much more important than finding another Mersenne prime, since we would move years ahead in medicine without having to spend money on research.

It's probably not just you, but I'm sure it's not for everyone. This has been said time and time again in this forum, but what is important and to whom it is important to depends on the person who owns the computer that will be doing the crunching.

Well, you're absolutely right, dnugget. It just seems strange to me that so many people are willing to devote so many millions of computer hours to something that benefits mankind in no way whatsoever, unlike DF, F@H, and D2OL. And Folding @ Home was the one that I was going to use, until I saw that you must have broadband access. Maybe you don't have to have it, but they say on their homepage that you do, so I went with DF instead.

 

[Confused]

myrocardia,

This is in no way at all a personal attack, just to let you know

Many people do not like hearing/seeing people saying "why do you do that, it benefits in no way at all, unlike..." A lot of people have reasons why they run other programs, here are some examples (though this is in no way a complete list ):

Seti: Is someone out there? The results so far have helped us to understand more about the universe, such as black holes, pulsars etc.
Math-style ones: Increased encryption levels, can be used to help further prevent fraud/theft by electronic means, protecting your data and money
All: Because it interests me (space, encryption, maths, etc)

I know coming that it might sound real good to be "benefiting mankind" with all these medical ones, but I suggest that you don't go putting down other projects, it will get people's backs up

I know you said you agree with dnugget, but i thought i'd just expand on that a little

I hope you can stick around, and drum up some support for the project, but, i beg, please don't put other projects down or recruit from other projects actively


Garry

 

[myocardia]

Garry, just a quick retort. First, the man that asks no questions lives his whole life knowing nothing. Second, I wasn't in any way trying to recruit anyone from any of "your" distributed computing projects. That should be obvious to you, since most of the ones that you gave me a reply for demand that you have broadband internet access. You may not realize it, but there are many thousands of people who read these forums everyday, who have never once posted, what we might call the "invisible people". Third, if you don't like the reasons and the projects that I devote my computer's time "off-time" to, that's okay with me. If it makes you feel better to devote your computer's time to SETI, that's your business, not mine. Not once did I ever say that the reasons for these "other" distributed comp. projects was wrong, that was you that said that. I only said that I didn't understand the reason that so many people are devoting so many millions of computer hours to them. I was just stating fact at that point, but since you've given a few reasons, I would like to hear a few more. Now, reread the very first post in the thread. My point was this: why are there millions of people worldwide working on SETI, for instance, but only 3,850 who've joined DFolding? And, yes, if you aren't doing any other distributed computing, why not give it a try? I have personally seen many posts on this same forum where people are actively trying to recruit another projects' members. You can't berate me for not doing what you thought I was doing, just because I don't run the same dist. comp. project that you run, man! I'll edit in a link or two to them after I post this.

 

[Confused]

myocardia,

As i said right at the beginning, it is no personal attack on you, or your thoughts I was just saying that people do not like to read "does not benifit, why do you run it?" Many people will tell you that I have in no way (that i can remember, anyway) ever put another project down. I personally used to run Seti exclusively. Then, just over a year ago, people started talking about Seventeen or Bust, and I checked it out. I enjoyed it, that is why I run it. I have also given CPDN, D2OL, ECCP-109 a try, and I have also tried DF, among others. They personally just did not take my interest at the time I have never decided on a project or against a projects "just because" or due to it's aims/goals

Also, i didn't say that you were trying to recruit from other projects, it was just a friendly warning There are "in" projects around these parts. To start with it was RC5, then it moved to Seti, and for a while about a year and a half ago there were threads all over the place about other projects, and those projects drummed up interest by one or two talking about it, and keeping the threads near the top. I can't remember having any active recruiting, but I have seen some others here, but more than often elsewhere doign some active recruiting, which is what causes friction, so hence the friendly warning so that it doesn't occur here


Also, ff i was trying to berate or attack you, i wouldn't use so many and in my posts!


I hope this can be just a small "crossing of wires"


Garry

Edit: Made a couple of points a bit clearer, and fixed a couple of speeling mistakes

 

[myocardia]

Garry, I hear what you're saying, and I understand completely. I actually looked, off and on, since I posted that last post, and couldn't find the thread that I was looking for. I remember reading it not too long ago, but my point was actually more that I personally wasn't trying to talk someone out of SETI, etc, but was just saying that if someone happened into the DC forum, because they were considering using their computer for DC, then we would love to have them over at DF. There are so few people doing it, that one 2.0ghz Celeron that's normally used for nothing but e-mailing (as we both know, alot of Celerons are), then we would love to have them. They could actually make a considerable contribution with DF, where they wouldn't really have much impact at all on something like SETI, which has nearly 5 million computers crunching numbers for them, some of which are 3.5+ghz P4's running 2 instances 24/7. Hell, now that I think about it, anyone with a Celeron 300@300 would still be welcomed at DF!

I have no hard feelings toward you, and I hope you have none toward me. With that said, let me say one last thing: all of you people who have a computer, and use it for nothing but e-mail and surfing, should at least consider putting it to good use, even if it isn't with Distributed Folding. The average e-mail machine, even today, uses roughly 150 watts when the monitor isn't on, so if you can afford a computer and internet access, you can afford to use your comp. for something worthwhile, even if it isn't something worthwhile to me.

 

[Confused]

Nope, no hard feelings at all :beer:

I think you'll find most people here, in DC, will be running some kind of DC project on any available PC they can get their hands on It's something that people in places such as OT and GH don't seem to get that your computer can be doing something other than word/email/internet These are the people who you need to educate, but they're also the most stubborn...believe me, i've been here long enough and seen/posted enough to know that it is the way they are, and the way many of them will always be

Garry

 

[gistech1978]

here are my thoughts
DF has suffered some bad PR in phase I
i ran it for a while in phase I but got fed up with constantly having to restart clients, babysitting them.
many other people experienced the same frustrations.

so far in phase II i havent had a single stalled client.
TA's production has actually increased the past month or so.
which is good. if we can keep it up, im happy. if not, oh well. thats life. im not gonna blast anyone for leaving.
but im not going to try and convince people to stop running SaH or SoB to join the one i happen to like.
dont get me wrong, though; i would like to see TA make it into the top 10.