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Dissention in the ranks
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Good for them.
For the one with cutie pi things, open a book.
For the one with cutie pi things, open a book.
I applaud Christians who are for peace generally. Why? Because at least they are somewhat more consistent. You really have to have a perverse interpretation of the bible to think jesus would have EVER gone to war or that he advocated anything like it. The guy was a peace loving hippy. If you are going to worship him, at least get it right.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Non-Religious and Non-Republican Michigan folks are you paying attention?
The President and his Clan are working very hard to convert your State, will you allow your State to go down in Red flames like Iowa and Ohio???
The President and his Clan are working very hard to convert your State, will you allow your State to go down in Red flames like Iowa and Ohio???
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Just strolling buy...
News flash. Nothing new here. They have been saying this, and I have been saying they have been. They and I have been ignored, cuz it's more fun to group them all together.
All Athiests want to burn down churches.
All Democrats want to steal all your money.
All Republicans want to murder the world.
All Christians want the Iraq war.
Simple? Yep, very simple.
Bye again 😛
News flash. Nothing new here. They have been saying this, and I have been saying they have been. They and I have been ignored, cuz it's more fun to group them all together.
All Athiests want to burn down churches.
All Democrats want to steal all your money.
All Republicans want to murder the world.
All Christians want the Iraq war.
Simple? Yep, very simple.
Bye again 😛
Your attitude is a bit too lax. I recognize some Christians are not for the war, but let's face it, most protestant american fundamentalists have very similar beliefs. When they unite themselves under organizaions like "Christian coalition" it's fair to attack them as a group. It's possible to criticize the group while recognizing the exceptions.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Apparently not as low as the Republicans since they are still losers compared to the lowly Republican tactics.
Dan Blather's only low road tactic wasn't enough in comparison to the Swift Boat smaer campaign.
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
I blame a majority of Christians.
I was responding to:
"Even some christians are waking up and feeling like they had a bad dream. My input? They deserve the hangover. Bastards."
Those who are "waking up" mostly were. Now people listen.
Why do they deserve hangovers?
The Roman Catholic Church is the worlds largest Christian organization. and the official policy of it's leaders is that the Iraq war was wrong. Wake-up and stop labeling Christians as fundamentalists, Right Wing Slaves etc. The tendency on these forums is to slam anything or anyone supporting anything from Bush, and lauding ANY erosion conservatism and basic common sense.
News Flash!!! The average Joe does not think like most on these forums. I these forums were indicative we would have President Gore, and President Dean, NOT Kerry..........The POV of these forums is just short of the full circle to Right Wing tin-foil hat wearing loons. That may be the reason that so many here hate the extreme right.
News Flash!!! The average Joe does not think like most on these forums. I these forums were indicative we would have President Gore, and President Dean, NOT Kerry..........The POV of these forums is just short of the full circle to Right Wing tin-foil hat wearing loons. That may be the reason that so many here hate the extreme right.
Most people are talking about protestant fundamentalist christians when they say christians.
Most people on this board don't support Bush. So what? If anything, that reflects positively on this board.
That's a good thing. The average joe is an idiot. (See PIPA study for proof).
Please see my thread on how extremism isn't in itself good or bad.
judasmachine
Diamond Member
Come to Texas, everyone is a bastard to us, even the crown prince. quick sociological study here. A Texan will smile, shake your hand, call ya a bastard, spit in your eye, and then sit down for a beer with you.
This was from my neck of the woods.
If I have ever seen the press blow something WAAAAAAAAAAAY out of control this may be it. There were about 15 students out of 4000 that had pins, and there were a tiny handful of protestors. Granted, the faculty was about 1/3 against it - but most of the faculty at the school are not openly religious - nor are they different than any other college professors - liberal to the core.
If I have ever seen the press blow something WAAAAAAAAAAAY out of control this may be it. There were about 15 students out of 4000 that had pins, and there were a tiny handful of protestors. Granted, the faculty was about 1/3 against it - but most of the faculty at the school are not openly religious - nor are they different than any other college professors - liberal to the core.
Did you actually attend Calvin or do you just live in the Grand Rapids area? Are you a member of the Christian Reformed Church? (the church that runs the college for those not familiar) What does openly religious mean? Do they have to be constantly expressing platitudes about their religion to be 'openly' religious or do they just need to be good, upstanding member of their local church? On what do you base your 'liberal to the core' statement other than 1/3 of them signed a petition expressing their disapproval of Bush's Iraq policy?
I ask this because my experience is totally different than yours. The Christian Reformed Church, and Calvin as part of it, has been highly supportive of the Republican party and it's politics and policies. I also went to the Christian Schools run by the Christian Reformed Church in the Grand Rapids area as a child, K-12. And I was certainly one of the most liberal people there, including the teachers. And I'm just slightly left of center.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
No profiles for either one of you.
What are you supposedly "Good" Christians hiding and afraid of??? 😕
Oh, I'm not a member of the Christian Reformed Church anymore. But before I graduated from college I attended the Baldwin Street Christian Reformed Chuch in Jenison, MI. I went to the Jenison Christian Schools K-9 and graduated from Unity Christian High School in Hudsonville, MI in 1980. Jenison is about 15 miles west of Grand Rapids, just across the county line in Ottawa County (Grand Rapids is in Kent County). Hudsonville is the next town further west from Jenison. Unity was the only CRC high scool in that part of Ottawa county and drew kids from Jenison, Hudsonville, Coopersville, Allendale, Jamestown and several other small little burgs.
I've lived in Minnesota, New York, Virginia and Illinois since leaving southwest Michigan.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
You're right in the heart of the new Fear and Nanny State mongers now:
5-23-2005 Citing security, Naperville libraries will make patrons prove their identities with fingerprint scanners before using computers
Library card? Check. Fingerprint? Really?
The three-library system this week signed a $40,646 contract with a local company, U.S. Biometrics Corp., to install fingerprint scanners on 130 computers with Internet access or a time limit on usage.
But with Congress contemplating an expansion of the USA Patriot Act, which gives federal authorities access to confidential library records, and cameras watching the streets some Chicagoans drive or the sidewalks they stroll, privacy advocates are concerned about yet another erosion of personal liberty.
"There are going to be folks who come from different political situations, folks who come out of Central Europe who have had a history of living under authoritative regimes who may not be comfortable with this"
U.S. Biometrics President Dave Delgrosso said his company's technology is seeping into the mainstream, popping up in banks, hospitals and other institutions where exact identifications are important.
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Logan's Run is here
Yup. I actually have a Naperville address but live just outside the city in an unincorporated area and also just outside the 'Library District'. Our home library is in Lisle, but we have checkout privileges at the Naperville one. If they require us to get our fingers scanned, too, we'll never step foot in that library again. They're so full of themselves anyway, ever since they won an award a few years back.
The whole town is kind of that way. They won the 'best place to raise your kids' award a few years back and they haven't put their noses down since. When we first moved here people were really taken aback that we would go to Chicago for this or that event or cultural endeavor. After all, the events in Naperville are so much better than those in Chicago, you know.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Thanks for you input and welcome to P&N :thumbsup:
imported_Tango
Golden Member
fixed
Being native to Ohio, and since I went to College and Worked for several years in Michigan, let me offer my local point of view.
Its totally backwards to think that Michigan is in any sort of good standing, and that Ohio is "going down in flames". Michigan ranks near the very bottom of all 50 states as far as job growth over the past year (probably one of the 2 or 3 states that still has a net loss) and Ohio on the other hand has had pretty nice growth in almost every industry, not only technology, but manufacturing as well. Michigan really only has one industrialized city left (Detroit) and its in the gutter, thier mayor was just ranked 3rd worst mayor of any city in the country, and is forced to either lay off or cut the salaries of all city employees. I wouldnt be surprised if Detroit declares bankruptcy within the next few years.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Let's see some proof of this. Before the Election report after report and Company after Company showed mass exodus of jobs out of Ohio.
Yes, I live in the area, no I am not even remotely affiliated with the CRC - thank you. Oddly, I know plenty of conservatives in this area who have not spent more than a few minutes in a church over their entire lives.
However, Calvin is a college and in the past they have had their fair share of outside thinkers. Yes, it is affiliated, but no, you do not have to be a member of the CRC to work there. I actually know a few, gulp, open out of the closet gays that work there. I even had an interview their a long time ago for an IT job and there was no reference to the CRC. Whatever the case, people that teach at colleges are for the most part career students - and they come from other colleges. Considering that about 85% of college staff nationwide identify themselves as liberal to radical the pool of applicants would be pretty much tainted. Colleges like Calvin have very few 'real world' professors - people that actually suceeded in life and made it out of school.
After all, most professors are those that could not hack it in the real world. It is sad but true. In my college days I probably only had two or three professors that had any real concept of what the day to day business of the real world was.
However, Calvin is a college and in the past they have had their fair share of outside thinkers. Yes, it is affiliated, but no, you do not have to be a member of the CRC to work there. I actually know a few, gulp, open out of the closet gays that work there. I even had an interview their a long time ago for an IT job and there was no reference to the CRC. Whatever the case, people that teach at colleges are for the most part career students - and they come from other colleges. Considering that about 85% of college staff nationwide identify themselves as liberal to radical the pool of applicants would be pretty much tainted. Colleges like Calvin have very few 'real world' professors - people that actually suceeded in life and made it out of school.
After all, most professors are those that could not hack it in the real world. It is sad but true. In my college days I probably only had two or three professors that had any real concept of what the day to day business of the real world was.
Wow, right from the center of bible belt North. Must have been fun watching your neighborhs hide in their basements every time they cracked a beer.
OK, so the 1.3 million people on the West side of the state don't count as industrialized... Grand Rapids is one of the fastest growing regions in the Midwest. It is a top 35 economic region in the nation - passing cities like Jacksonville, Buffalo, and New Orleans and up there with Nashville..
The fact that there are many conservatives who don't go to church has absolutely no bearing on the relative conservatism of the CRC, Calvin or its professors.
The standards for being a professor at Calvin are far different from those for working in the IT department. Also, your statistic about 85% of all profs being liberal doesn't mean that 85% of the profs at all schools are liberal. The smaller, more conservative schools will have much higher percentages of non-liberals to make up for the higher percentages of liberals at the large public universities like U-of-MI and Cal-Berkeley. And Calvin is more than affiliated, the majority of its funding comes from the CRC. And I'd say 3/4 of those in my graduating class (225) who went to college went to Calvin.
Also, you say only 15 or students out of 4000 protested. There were only 900 graduates. There are about 4300 students at Calvin in total.
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