Dissapointing overclock of 90nm 3200+ on Neo2 Platinum

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imported_aragorn18

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Ok, I bought this system specifically to overclock. After some initial problems in which I had to put new thermal paste on the chipset heatsink I am finally able to overclock this system. Here's the problem, I'm only getting up to a FSB of 220Mhz. Anything higher than that and it fails to POST. Doesn't matter if I relax my memory timings, up the memory or CPU voltage or anything. I'm pretty sure it can go higher because I get no errors in Prime95 and the temp is only a few degrees higher than when I'm running at stock speeds. I think that if I could get it to post it would run fine. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Here's my equipment.

K8N Neo2 Platinum with 1.4 BIOS
2x512MB OCZ PC3200 EL Platinum Rev. 2
Thermalright XP-120 Heatsink w/ Enermax 120mm fan
Athlon64 3200+ 90nm
Antec 550W TruePower PSU
ATI AIW 9800 Pro
2 IDE HDs
2 SATA HDs
Booting from WD360GD Raptor
 
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Duvie

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Yes dont hit enter when selecting the number in the HTT item..just use page up and page down under it is displayed to the right number...

Sounds like a common problem of fsb when you have an older 1.2 or less bios installed...flash it to 1.4 with live update MSI....
 
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imported_aragorn18

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Well, with the suggestion of changing the HT multiplier, I was able to get up to 235Mhz FSB. Thanks for that suggestion. Here's my next problem. I was able to POST as high as 250, but Windows won't boot at all at that speed. At 240 Windows almost boots, but the whole thing repeatadly freezes. I was barely able to log in. 235 Seems fine though. The weird thing is that I believe it can go higher. The CPU temp is only slightly higher than at stock speeds. I've already tried bumping the memory and CPU voltage to scary heights. 1.665V for CPU and 2.80 for mem. I've also relaxed the timings to 3-4-4-10 1T which was no help. Any suggestions?
 
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zakee00

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try 2t on your memory. 1t is quite a bit faster though. this is my frist system build, and check out what i managed to do:

AMD 64 3000+ Winnie @ 2.43GHz (270MHz FSB)
MSI K8N Neo2
512x2 Geil DDR500 @ 270MHz 1T 3-4-4-7
EVGA 6800GT @ 410MHz/1.08GHz
Antec 1080 Case w/ TruePower 430w

if you want to go up to 250mhz fsb, a 4x ht multiplier is fine, but any higher and 3x is necessary to keep in spec.
 
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Stormgiant

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Originally posted by: aragorn18

K8N Neo2 Platinum with 1.4 BIOS
2x512MB OCZ PC3200 EL Platinum Rev. 2
Thermalright XP-120 Heatsink w/ Enermax 120mm fan
Athlon64 3200+ 90nm
Antec 550W TruePower PSU
ATI AIW 9800 Pro
2 IDE HDs
2 SATA HDs
Booting from WD360GD Raptor
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Youre connecting youre SATA drives to SATA3 and SATA4 right ?
Because SATA1 and SATA2 don't have a PCI lock :(
 
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imported_aragorn18

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Originally posted by: zakee00
try 2t on your memory. 1t is quite a bit faster though.
if you want to go up to 250mhz fsb, a 4x ht multiplier is fine, but any higher and 3x is necessary to keep in spec.
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I doubt that the problem is the memory. I state this because Anandtech got the exact same memory on the exact same motherboard up to 290 using the same timings I'm using.

250 is fine with me.

Originally posted by: Stormgiant
Youre connecting youre SATA drives to SATA3 and SATA4 right ?
Because SATA1 and SATA2 don't have a PCI lock :(
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No, I didn't know that. I'll have to give moving them a shot. Any references that say it doesn't have a lock on those two ports?
 
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imported_aragorn18

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Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo
He's telling the truth: No frequency lock on SATA 1 & 2 on the Neo2.
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Well, you two were absolutely right. I was able to get the system stable at 250 by moving the hard drives to ports 3 and 4. Thanks a lot for the tip. Still kinda weird though. Is it because the first 2 ports aren't integrated into the chipset, or is it because they are and the 3rd and 4th arent? Or am I completely wrong and they're all integrated?
 
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drpootums

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Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo
He's telling the truth: No frequency lock on SATA 1 & 2 on the Neo2.
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Is that also true on the DFI Lanparty UT nF3 board? I hope not...

 
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brendanlim

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Originally posted by: Tyrant222
to op or anyone else,

how hard is it to fit an xp-120 on the neo2?
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I was about to ask the same thing. Could u by any chance post pics of your XP-120 on your Neo2?
 
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imported_aragorn18

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Dec 25, 2004
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Sorry, I don't have a digital camera, so no pics. But, I will tell you my experiences.

The XP-120 requires a seperate retention module. The instructions that came with the cooler suggested that I might have to use acetone to remove the old retention module, but luckily I didn't. The new module was relatively easy to install.

You'll wanna put the memory in before you install the heatsink as it hangs over the memory sockets, Especially if you are going to use slots 1 and 2. Also, you'll really need nimble hands to install memory after the installing it in the case if you leave the motherboard installed.

The cooler does not interfere with the AGP slot or the 3rd and 4th SATA ports. My main problem was the fact that my case isn't large enough and the hard drive cage was hitting the fan.
 
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imported_aragorn18

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Originally posted by: brendanlim
When you say retention module -- do you mean the backplate on the bottom of the motherboard?
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No, the metal plate that comes with the motherboard stays. What you replace is the plastic piece on the front side.

Originally posted by: Tyrant222
the new retention bracket comes with the xp-120?
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Yeah, it comes with the plastic piece.
 
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Tyrant222

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to aragorn again, hope you dont mind the questions

Does the heatsink affect the access to the 2 IDE ports? Ill be using both ports

Also, the XP-120 faq says the capacitors affect its installation. (I assume the row of them on the left)

I assume its just a close fit? or the new retentian bracket allows it to fit?
 
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imported_aragorn18

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Originally posted by: Tyrant222
to aragorn again, hope you dont mind the questions

Does the heatsink affect the access to the 2 IDE ports? Ill be using both ports

Also, the XP-120 faq says the capacitors affect its installation. (I assume the row of them on the left)

I assume its just a close fit? or the new retentian bracket allows it to fit?
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I also use both IDE ports, there is no problem. My problem was the fact that the IDE, floppy and power connectors should never have been put that close together.

There is one capacitor just below the socket close to the AGP slot that hits one of the heatpipes, but it's not an extreme bend. MSI did a good job of keeping the capacitors free of the CPU socket

The new retention bracket just has a different method of clipping the heatsink to it. I'm pretty sure it's footprint is the same as the original.
 
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