dissapointing E2160 OC result.

[Assimilator1]

Originally posted by: nyker96

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Poor guy, getting Core 2 Extreme X6800 speeds from an $85 CPU.

good guess, actually it's about as faster as X6800 on apps and bit slower on games. :] I'm not saying my rig is slow just not as fast as I wanted it to go.

Or if you're really not happy with it sell it on & buy another one!

 

[lopri]

I think this is either CPU or BIOS issue. If it's CPU, that means Intel is attempting to prevent overclocking these E2140/2160 chips with whatever method they use. (including BIOS - by 'asking' the mobo manufacturers what to do) If it's just BIOS, mobo manufacturers haven't profiled these chips in the BIOS yet (or maybe never?). I have an E2140 that tops @350ish FSB on 2 different boards regardless of stock/any voltage and good temp.

 

[nyker96]

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou
It can be disappointing, but that's the way it works with overclocking. When I paid $185 for my E6300 and $125 for my 965P-S3 back in February, I was pretty much expecting a 3.2 GHz overclock. I maxed out at 2.8 GHz, though, which was irritating at first.

But then I thought... Holy cow! 2.8 GHz from a 1.86 GHz chip! That's a 50% overclock!

2.91 GHz from 1.8 GHz is even better. Be happy, regardless of what you initially expected.

Hey what type of cooling is this on? I think the stock HSF is crap, you gotta buy a $25 HSF at least to cool C2Ds. And seriously, I do not believe E6300s top out at 2.8, not a chance. What vcore and other data on this chip?

Originally posted by: Assimilator1

Or if you're really not happy with it sell it on & buy another one!

Nah, I've had enough trouble with the E2160 already probbaly wait a bit and get myself a nice 4mb version of E6xxx class for my next upgrade or just jump into a quad later when they dip in price heard they going to 266 next months and god knows how much lower later in the year.

Originally posted by: lopri
I think this is either CPU or BIOS issue. If it's CPU, that means Intel is attempting to prevent overclocking these E2140/2160 chips with whatever method they use. (including BIOS - by 'asking' the mobo manufacturers what to do) If it's just BIOS, mobo manufacturers haven't profiled these chips in the BIOS yet (or maybe never?). I have an E2140 that tops @350ish FSB on 2 different boards regardless of stock/any voltage and good temp.

My BIOS is the newst F10 from Gigabyte site. F10 does recognize this E2160. What vcore for your E2140 to get to 350 FSB?

 

[JakeBlade]

I just got the E2160 and the Asus P5B-Plus.

I never messed with the vcore setting, I left it on Auto. I was able to easily set the FSB to 250, then 300, then 333, and each setting my RAM to DDR2-1000 (Crucial Ballistix PC2-8000). The Asus AI-Gear showed that the vcore wasn't going any higher than 1.4V. Also, I disabled the Q-Fan feature and the HSF was spinning at 1950RPM the whole time.

I decided to play around with the stock HSF. Running TAT at 100% would raise the temps to the mid 70s C.
That was with it overclocked to 3 ghz.

Running at 1.8 ghz (stock speed), TAT would raise the temps quickly to the mid 60s C!

I called Intel and put in a trouble ticket regarding the temps on this chip at the stock speed. I was told by the tech that the max temp should be 61C !

I decided to put on my big fat Zalman HSF that I was running my 2.66 P4 @ 3.2 with. I wiped off the Zalman and the E2160 with some acetone and put on some fresh new Arctic Silver 5. Fired her back up and noticed that the temps were lower, idling at 41 C.

Ran TAT @ 100% x2, at stock speed, and the hottest it got was the mid 50s C. I rebooted and cranked it back up to 333 fsb and ran TAT again. It still got up to the mid 60s-low 70s C.

So, I dunno what to do. This chip overclocks just the way I like it, but it just gets too hot for my comfort. I mean, with the P5B-Plus I can set it to slow energy saving mode (<100W with a BFG 7950GT OC on idle) or ultra fast high performance mode with just a reboot. A 1MB SuperPI in 19 seconds is just hellacool. Intel gave me the option to RMA it if I wanted to.

I'm wondering if the IHS? is glued on instead of soldered?? I read that somewhere about the E4300s versus the E6300. That the E6300 IHS was soldered on and got ultra low temps whereas the E4300 has the cheaper glued-on IHS and didn't contact the processor as well to dissipate the heat properly. I'm wondering if I RMA it with Intel that I would just get the same thing.

Like I said, at stock speed, this thing runs hotter than Intel's spec with the stock HSF. Even if I wasn't overclocking, I just think that's kinda crappy.

Thanks for reading all my babbling.



JakeBlade

P.S. I ran this at 3 ghz and did a toolpath calculation (CNC milling software) and it took 1 min 1 sec, and my workstation with a Northwood 3.2 takes 1 min 57 sec.

 

[Accord99]

Originally posted by: JakeBlade
Running at 1.8 ghz (stock speed), TAT would raise the temps quickly to the mid 60s C!

I called Intel and put in a trouble ticket regarding the temps on this chip at the stock speed.

The 61C limit and the TAT readings aren't from the same area. A TAT reading of even 70C is quite cool, you've got lots of headroom before it even starts to throttle.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: JakeBlade
I just got the E2160 and the Asus P5B-Plus.

I never messed with the vcore setting, I left it on Auto. I was able to easily set the FSB to 250, then 300, then 333, and each setting my RAM to DDR2-1000 (Crucial Ballistix PC2-8000). The Asus AI-Gear showed that the vcore wasn't going any higher than 1.4V. Also, I disabled the Q-Fan feature and the HSF was spinning at 1950RPM the whole time.

I decided to play around with the stock HSF. Running TAT at 100% would raise the temps to the mid 70s C.
That was with it overclocked to 3 ghz.

Running at 1.8 ghz (stock speed), TAT would raise the temps quickly to the mid 60s C!

I called Intel and put in a trouble ticket regarding the temps on this chip at the stock speed. I was told by the tech that the max temp should be 61C !

I decided to put on my big fat Zalman HSF that I was running my 2.66 P4 @ 3.2 with. I wiped off the Zalman and the E2160 with some acetone and put on some fresh new Arctic Silver 5. Fired her back up and noticed that the temps were lower, idling at 41 C.

Ran TAT @ 100% x2, at stock speed, and the hottest it got was the mid 50s C. I rebooted and cranked it back up to 333 fsb and ran TAT again. It still got up to the mid 60s-low 70s C.

So, I dunno what to do. This chip overclocks just the way I like it, but it just gets too hot for my comfort. I mean, with the P5B-Plus I can set it to slow energy saving mode (<100W with a BFG 7950GT OC on idle) or ultra fast high performance mode with just a reboot. A 1MB SuperPI in 19 seconds is just hellacool. Intel gave me the option to RMA it if I wanted to.

I'm wondering if the IHS? is glued on instead of soldered?? I read that somewhere about the E4300s versus the E6300. That the E6300 IHS was soldered on and got ultra low temps whereas the E4300 has the cheaper glued-on IHS and didn't contact the processor as well to dissipate the heat properly. I'm wondering if I RMA it with Intel that I would just get the same thing.

Like I said, at stock speed, this thing runs hotter than Intel's spec with the stock HSF. Even if I wasn't overclocking, I just think that's kinda crappy.

Thanks for reading all my babbling.



JakeBlade

P.S. I ran this at 3 ghz and did a toolpath calculation (CNC milling software) and it took 1 min 1 sec, and my workstation with a Northwood 3.2 takes 1 min 57 sec.

The board will over-volt Vcore when set to AUTO. Try 1.4Vcore and slowly crank up the FSB. At 79F room temperature, my E4300 posts 53C SF/68C TAT with 1.365Vcore (3.24GHz). Bumping to 1.505Vcore yields 3.51GHz and 68C SF/82C TAT. I've pushed this chip up to 89C with TAT, and still not throttling. This tells me that the TAT temp is wrong.

 

[JakeBlade]

Yes, you're right. The processor didn't throttle itself at all, even with the stock HSF.

I was, however, using my temp readings from the Asus Probe software. But again, not hot enough to throttle the processor.

Well, that's certainly a relief. Guess I'll crank it back up to 3 ghz! (I'm keeping the big Zalman on it, though).

Thanks for the replies!

 

[AbRASiON]

I was hoping to grab one of these and hit 9x366.6666 :/ or 9x356 - not sure.


I'd just like 3.2 or higher! mmmmm sorry about yours sucking, wonder if mine will!?

 

[Assimilator1]

I wouldn't use the throttle back temp as a cut off point (or near to it) ,that's rather too high for sustained use