dissapointing E2160 OC result.

[nyker96]

Last week I got a E2160 oem chip from ewiz thinking it's gonna make 3.5/6 on air. Used the following setup:

E2160 OEM
Freezer 7 pro
BFG 7900GS OC
Enhance 5150GH
Gigabyte S3 v1.0 with fan on southbridge
2 gig of Supertalent DDR 667

Result:
I can do 300 FSB at 1.25v ortho about an hour stable.
but anything higher is very trying. for FSB 333 to work
the vCPU has to be at 1.4v. I couldn't push it any higher
due to TAT temp in the 70s at this point, although ortho is
around 65C.

What do you guys think? Since I know for a fact this S3 can do 3.2 for
a friend's E6300, it's not the board or some FSB limit.

A quick question, how can TAT be showing like 13C higher than speedfan when ortho is running even know I'm just using TAT as a temp reporting tool at that point.
speed fan shows core at 57 but TAT is at 70.

 

[Diogenes2]

Why were you thinking " .. 3.5/6 on air " ?

I hear of very few C2D's getting past 3.2 without going to 1.4v or higher ..

 

[bryanW1995]

speed fan has a known issue with going 10-15 c low. I had it showing 9c (???) the other day on my 3600+ brisbane at work.

 

[Assimilator1]

So what actual CPU clock speed did you get?

 

[nyker96]

Originally posted by: Assimilator1
So what actual CPU clock speed did you get?

I'm leaving it on 9x333@1.4 but if the 55-58C in speed fan is actually 70s I'll have to back down a bit to 9x320@1.315 which will be better temperature wise.

Overall, I think 6xxx series probably need less volts and best for OC past 3Ghz.

 

[ss284]

Its your own fault for thinking you could somehow reliably overclock a random e2160 beyond what most e6600s are capable of.

 

[996GT2]

9x333 is already a pretty good clock speed, especially considering what the CPU started out at...many people with E6xxx CPUs can't even break the low 3 GHz range unless they use voltages like yours

 

[nyker96]

Originally posted by: ss284
Its your own fault for thinking you could somehow reliably overclock a random e2160 beyond what most e6600s are capable of.

Hey, don't be too harsh on me, I'm already hurting from not be able to hit higher clocks with this guy ... :]

Originally posted by: 996GT2
9x333 is already a pretty good clock speed, especially considering what the CPU started out at...many people with E6xxx CPUs can't even break the low 3 GHz range unless they use voltages like yours

you are definitely right, truthfully I'm mostly using this for programming, so don't need much power but was seeing quite a few people who had succeeded in OC E2160s into 3.5 ranges and wanted to shoot for it. too bad this guy don't want to cooperate. :[

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: nyker96
Last week I got a E2160 oem chip from ewiz thinking it's gonna make 3.5/6 on air. Used the following setup:

E2160 OEM
Freezer 7 pro
BFG 7900GS OC
Enhance 5150GH
Gigabyte S3 v1.0 with fan on southbridge
2 gig of Supertalent DDR 667

Result:
I can do 300 FSB at 1.25v ortho about an hour stable.
but anything higher is very trying. for FSB 333 to work
the vCPU has to be at 1.4v. I couldn't push it any higher
due to TAT temp in the 70s at this point, although ortho is
around 65C.

What do you guys think? Since I know for a fact this S3 can do 3.2 for
a friend's E6300, it's not the board or some FSB limit.

A quick question, how can TAT be showing like 13C higher than speedfan when ortho is running even know I'm just using TAT as a temp reporting tool at that point.
speed fan shows core at 57 but TAT is at 70.

TAT measures the CPU temp at each core and is always approximately 15C higher than Speedfan. You can theoretically go up to 80C max with TAT (65C in Speedfan), but not for more than about 1/2 hour.

In addition to temp, I would also limit Vcore to 1.5 max with air cooling. You'll need a VERY good CPU cooler to keep an overclocked C2D chip from overheating. Your numbers are very NORMAL. You may gain another 50 to 100MHz with an excellent CPU cooler and 1.45-1.5Vdimm.

The majority of C2D chips will reach 3.2 to 3.4GHz on air with a high-end CPU cooler (Ultra Extreme or Big Typhoon). My E4300 is stable up to 3.42GHz with 1.475Vcore. This chip is okay @ 3.15GHz at default 1.325Vcore. Each additional 0.05Vcore will net another 100MHz. You'll know that you've reached the limit of your MB, CPU, or RAM when additional bump in Vcore will result in a small bump in core speed.

Finally, relax the memory timing to 5-5-5-15-2T. Use memtest86+ to make sure that the RAM is good up to your desired speed.

For reference, my E4300 idles around 30C (Speedfan). Running Orthos @ 3.15GHz with 1.325Vcore will yield 53C with 80F room temperature.

I suspect that less than 3% of the E2160s will do +3.5GHz on air.

 

[Rebel44]

I have E4400 with Vcore 1,5375 @ 3,5Ghz temp: 58C - I have TR Ultra 120 Extreme

 

[CrazyHorse]

I got a E2160 and and running it at 3.4ghz. 3.5 or higher will boot but gets way to hot for air cooling.

Its not the cpu simply your board. I assume you can set the CPU to 533/800/1066 via the bios. The only way to for you to get a higher overclock is making a pin mod so that the Board thinks you start up with a 2.4ghz CPU.

And yes it needs a little bid more Voltage 1.4V - 1.5V.

 

[aka1nas]

From the XS thread on those chips, it looks like they have trouble right before 400FSB, so I don't think you are hitting that wall yet. I might pick up that 2160 as my cheapie holdover chip while I wait for Yorkdale to come out. The 2140 seems to top out at ~3.2 and the 2160 ~3.6 due to the FSB wall, provided that you get a good chip and can keep it cool.

 

[CrazyHorse]

Yeah i m hitting the wall just after 400mhz. I can start and boot up into windows fine with 400mhz FSB but Orthos gives me to much heat on the CPU =).

I think he has the problem with the CPU strap what most people have with boards where you can't adjust it. The pin mod will help that problem though.

 

[aka1nas]

Also, Nyker, you might want to make sure the IHS is actually flat. Out of the 2 guys who actually got their chip past 400FSB and hit 3.6+, one was on phase and the other had lap his IHS because it was concave.

 

[Assimilator1]

Originally posted by: nyker96

Originally posted by: Assimilator1
So what actual CPU clock speed did you get?

I'm leaving it on 9x333@1.4 but if the 55-58C in speed fan is actually 70s I'll have to back down a bit to 9x320@1.315 which will be better temperature wise.

Overall, I think 6xxx series probably need less volts and best for OC past 3Ghz.

Well 3GHz is still a decent overclock

Btw are you sure it's speedfan that's out? ,though I've not tried TAT I have compared speedfan to core temp & they both show the same readings on my rig (MSI 650,E6420).
What chipset does your S3 have?

Inccidently my 6420 is hitting 3.25GHz on def vcore ..............opps I didn't mean to twist the knife :evil: heheh

[edit] just installed TAT ,& whilst running 2xDPAD clients (both cores @100%) it is showing the same temperatures as speedfan ,so I don't get how its different on yours

 

[nyker96]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
For reference, my E4300 idles around 30C (Speedfan). Running Orthos @ 3.15GHz with 1.325Vcore will yield 53C with 80F room temperature.

I suspect that less than 3% of the E2160s will do +3.5GHz on air.

Looks like you got a decent chip. 1.325v only net me a 325FSB//2.91Ghz.

Originally posted by: Rebel44
I have E4400 with Vcore 1,5375 @ 3,5Ghz temp: 58C - I have TR Ultra 120 Extreme

Which temperature reader is the 58C from? I'm getting 55C at 1.325//325FSB at ortho load from speedfan 4.32 which people claim is 15C below actual so that's like 70C so I'm little concerned about my temperatures.

Originally posted by: aka1nas
From the XS thread on those chips, it looks like they have trouble right before 400FSB, so I don't think you are hitting that wall yet. I might pick up that 2160 as my cheapie holdover chip while I wait for Yorkdale to come out. The 2140 seems to top out at ~3.2 and the 2160 ~3.6 due to the FSB wall, provided that you get a good chip and can keep it cool.

I read about this, the E21xx has a 400 FSB wall, this is why I got E2160 since E2140 can't pass 3.2 and I wanted more than that :]

Originally posted by: CrazyHorse
Yeah i m hitting the wall just after 400mhz. I can start and boot up into windows fine with 400mhz FSB but Orthos gives me to much heat on the CPU =).

Alright rub it in Crazy Horse!

Originally posted by: Assimilator1
So what actual CPU clock speed did you get?

Btw are you its speedfan that's out? ,though I've not tried TAT I have compared speedfan to core temp & they both show the same readings on my rig (MSI 650,E6420).
What chipset does your S3 have?

Inccidently my 6420 is hitting 3.25GHz on def vcore ..............opps I didn't mean to twist the knife :evil: heheh

[edit] just installed TAT ,& whilst running 2xDPAD clients (both cores @100%) it is showing the same temperatures as speedfan ,so I don't get how its different on yours

I'm running 2.91//325FSB@1.325v right now, 6hr prtho stable, 2hr mem86 stable.
yeah I think I'm using speedfan 4.32 that should be pretty new.

I'm feeling the pain now ... 3.25 on def vcore?! don't I like to steal your chip ... :]

 

[bfdd]

Originally posted by: 996GT2
9x333 is already a pretty good clock speed, especially considering what the CPU started out at...many people with E6xxx CPUs can't even break the low 3 GHz range unless they use voltages like yours

So true, my current one has trouble with anything past 3.4ghz just refuses to be stable unless I pump it with nearly 1.6v! My old one hit 3.6 and beyond but it was hot and used much less voltage. If you can get 3ghz out of a 2160 that's awesome that's like buying a CPU that costs 5x's as much for less than 100!

 

[Accord99]

Originally posted by: nyker96
Which temperature reader is the 58C from? I'm getting 55C at 1.325//325FSB at ortho load from speedfan 4.32 which people claim is 15C below actual so that's like 70C so I'm little concerned about my temperatures.

Most likely the difference is caused by the Tjunction. SpeedFan automatically assumes 85C, while TAT will read it off the CPU and the E2140 is usually 100C. The reported temperature is calculated with Tjunction-sensor reading. Nobody really knows which one is the more accurate temperature, but the main thing is if your cpu has a Tjunction of 100C then you have about 30C of headroom before the CPU throttles.

CoreTemp 0.95 offers the option to display the raw sensor reading by enabling the delta to Tjunction option.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
speed fan has a known issue with going 10-15 c low. I had it showing 9c (???) the other day on my 3600+ brisbane at work.

That's not a great example though. Brisbanes misreport their core temps due to flaws in the internal temp sensors. The author of CoreTemp reported this some time ago.

 

[f4phantom2500]

Originally posted by: CrazyHorse
I got a E2160 and and running it at 3.4ghz. 3.5 or higher will boot but gets way to hot for air cooling.

Its not the cpu simply your board. I assume you can set the CPU to 533/800/1066 via the bios. The only way to for you to get a higher overclock is making a pin mod so that the Board thinks you start up with a 2.4ghz CPU.

And yes it needs a little bid more Voltage 1.4V - 1.5V.

yeah, if you want try the bsel mod (i'm assuming it works on the pentium e2160's too since they're basically cache-crippled e4300's?) that might help, probably will i think, but if you don't need the extra speed then what's the point? hell i'd be happy with 3GHz.

 

[nyker96]

I don;t know if you guys have E1C/EIST on after OCed. I turn them on today and there's absolutely no problem so far, the chip goes down to 6x multiplier and 1.1v at idle and it still ran but came back up to 9x and 1.325 when some load comes on. I thought it was gonna freeze at 6x325FSB@1.1v but it did not, in fact ran smoothly, so I'm gonna leave the power optimization on for now until some problem arises. So far none. I tried copy files/internet/programming/some bench/ortho all fine. cool uh?

 

[jpeyton]

Poor guy, getting Core 2 Extreme X6800 speeds from an $85 CPU.

 

[nyker96]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Poor guy, getting Core 2 Extreme X6800 speeds from an $85 CPU.

good guess, actually it's about as faster as X6800 on apps and bit slower on games. :] I'm not saying my rig is slow just not as fast as I wanted it to go.

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

It can be disappointing, but that's the way it works with overclocking. When I paid $185 for my E6300 and $125 for my 965P-S3 back in February, I was pretty much expecting a 3.2 GHz overclock. I maxed out at 2.8 GHz, though, which was irritating at first.

But then I thought... Holy cow! 2.8 GHz from a 1.86 GHz chip! That's a 50% overclock!

2.91 GHz from 1.8 GHz is even better. Be happy, regardless of what you initially expected.

 

[f4phantom2500]

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou
It can be disappointing, but that's the way it works with overclocking. When I paid $185 for my E6300 and $125 for my 965P-S3 back in February, I was pretty much expecting a 3.2 GHz overclock. I maxed out at 2.8 GHz, though, which was irritating at first.

But then I thought... Holy cow! 2.8 GHz from a 1.86 GHz chip! That's a 50% overclock!

2.91 GHz from 1.8 GHz is even better. Be happy, regardless of what you initially expected.

yeah man, nothing's really guaranteed in the world of overclocking, and tapping 3ghz with a chip that's stock 1.8ghz is nothing short of amazing. think about it. processors are ridiculous these days. most "low-end" chip that uses a modern architecture from either manufacturer overclocks by like 50% or more. if you aren't afraid of overclocking, anybody can make a damn good high end system for ridiculously cheap, just save a few hundred $ on the processor.