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Disney & iTunes Making Money....

Bacstar

Golden Member
Interesting article I read from Ars:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20...s-prove-potency-of-format-pricing.html

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Disney's quarterly earnings announcement and subsequent analyst call paint a picture of a company that's on top of its game when it comes to taking advantage of both the Internet and digital media. First, the numbers: Disney earned $931 million during the first quarter of 2007 (the second quarter of its fiscal year) on revenues of $8.07 billion. Profits were up from $733 million during the first quarter of 2006 even though revenues rose only $40 million dollars in the same period. Disney said that the figures reflected "strong operating results across all segments."

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One of those segments is digital video sales. Disney was famously on board when the iTunes Store added movies for the first time. Since that time, it has kept Apple supplied with a steady stream of content in the form of movies and TV shows while most of the other studios have sat on the sidelines.

Movie sales: why Disney gets it
During its earnings call, Disney CEO Robert Iger said that this was because Mickey and Company were quite pleased with Apple's movie pricing and the margins they were seeing. Although the pricing of a movie on the iTunes store is lower that that of a physical DVD, Disney is making about the same amount of money on each movie it sells there.

"There are cost of goods that are factored out of the iTunes sale, which allows them to sell at a lower price," Iger said during the earnings call. "That's their decision and it allows us to take revenue out that is equal to, in terms of a per-click sale, store sales."

That's the piece that the other major studios that have feared when it comes to Apple's movie prices?$12.99 or $14.99 for new films and $9.99 for older content?on the iTunes Store. As a result, most of them have eschewed the iTunes Store in favor of Wal-Mart's recently launched download store. Even though Wal-Mart's digital reach falls far short of Apple's (and its movies won't play on iPods or Macs, natch), the studios were comforted by Wal-Mart's DVD-style pricing for downloads: new releases will cost up to $19.98 each with the rest of the catalog is priced somewhere between that figure and $9.99.

Of course, Wal-Mart has one thing in common with most of the studios: they all share an interest in shoring up traditional DVD sales. The studios fear a price war between DVD and movie downloads will take a bite out of their margins, while Wal-Mart is concerned about losing DVD sales to an online vendor. Disney is virtually alone among the major studios in realizing that sales are the important thing and that there's significant money to be made on digital downloads if you can offer compelling value to the customer.

Iger also revealed during the call that sales of Disney movies on iTunes have passed the 2 million mark while TV shows have shot past. Top-selling titles include Cars and Pirates of the Caribbean, while back-catalog titles have been selling at a much slower clip. Sales of Disney TV shows have topped the 50 million mark altogether since they were added to the iTunes Store.

Disney's online strategy is going great guns as well: the company recently redesigned its web site and overhauled its web strategy and, as a result, is raking in the cheese. Disney sees over 100 million videos per week streamed to 6 million unique broadband visitors per month, and page views are up 10 percent since the redesign of Disney.com. Despite his feeling that the strength of Disney.com is enough for the company to go it alone, Iger believes that not hooking up with other content-distribution partners would be short-sighted: "We're looking for deals that allow us the flexibility to go directly to the consumer as well as through a third party," said Iger. "We're not entering into any exclusive deals."
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I enjoy renting movies or shows from XBLM. I also look forward to actually seeing first run movies without leaving the comfort of my home theatre... hopefully news like this spur the media companies from their fear of the internet and lower some of their prices.
 
Originally posted by: SaltBoy
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Why would I buy a movie off Itunes when I can just download it for free? 😕
shhh!

Well yeah, of course one person has to buy it off Itunes for it to become free for everyone else...So at least they get that one sale

Won't be from this guy though

:thumbsdown:
=D
:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: SaltBoy
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Why would I buy a movie off Itunes when I can just download it for free? 😕
shhh!

Well yeah, of course one person has to buy it off Itunes for it to become free for everyone else...So at least they get that one sale

Won't be from this guy though

:thumbsdown:
=D
:thumbsup:


Well for those of us who understand economics and copywright theory, we don't mind paying for media. If there isn't enough money to support the creation and distribution, then the quality will fall and production will stop. Pirating is not self sustaining, and basically you are stealing from the pockets of those people that are willing to pay for the product. That doesn't really make us happy 🙂 But continue to post how smart and cool you are on the Internet so the rest of us can flame you into oblivion for stealing.
 
Likewise... I don't like to pirate stuff mainly because i understand that people who work hard for what they do should get paid for it. Now... I don't want to turn this into a RIAA thread... etc. but I'd rather rent or "preview" something before i spend my hard-earned money....on something that's outrageously priced or not worth the money.



 
Originally posted by: Bacstar
Likewise... I don't like to pirate stuff mainly because i understand that people who work hard for what they do should get paid for it. Now... I don't want to turn this into a RIAA thread... etc. but I'd rather rent or "preview" something before i spend my hard-earned money....on something that's outrageously priced or not worth the money.

Agree. I dislike not being able to preview things before I buy.
 
Now...I would pay 10-15 dollars for renting a movie that opens at the movie theaters at 480p or 720p quality as a download. I so wish that day to come sooner rather than later. I'm sick of going to movie theaters, standing in line, sitting in uncomfortable seating, running to the restroom at the most inconvenient times, listening to celphones, inconsiderate teens, etc etc...
 
Oh look, Disney, who has Steve Jobs as the largest shareholder, is the only movie company to have signed up for iTunes. SHOCK!
Movie sales: why Disney gets it
Disney gets it because Jobs makes money 2 ways.
Wal*Mart wants to make money 2 ways, so they price higher.
 
Originally posted by: wyvrn
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: SaltBoy
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Why would I buy a movie off Itunes when I can just download it for free? 😕
shhh!

Well yeah, of course one person has to buy it off Itunes for it to become free for everyone else...So at least they get that one sale

Won't be from this guy though

:thumbsdown:
=D
:thumbsup:


Well for those of us who understand economics and copywright theory, we don't mind paying for media. If there isn't enough money to support the creation and distribution, then the quality will fall and production will stop. Pirating is not self sustaining, and basically you are stealing from the pockets of those people that are willing to pay for the product. That doesn't really make us happy 🙂 But continue to post how smart and cool you are on the Internet so the rest of us can flame you into oblivion for stealing.

How is it stealing when the MPAA puts copy-protection on DVDs? Did you know that some people have problems playing DVDs on their computers because of copy protection?

Think before you post next time.
 
Originally posted by: wyvrn
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: SaltBoy
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Why would I buy a movie off Itunes when I can just download it for free? 😕
shhh!

Well yeah, of course one person has to buy it off Itunes for it to become free for everyone else...So at least they get that one sale

Won't be from this guy though

:thumbsdown:
=D
:thumbsup:


Well for those of us who understand economics and copywright theory, we don't mind paying for media. If there isn't enough money to support the creation and distribution, then the quality will fall and production will stop. Pirating is not self sustaining, and basically you are stealing from the pockets of those people that are willing to pay for the product. That doesn't really make us happy 🙂 But continue to post how smart and cool you are on the Internet so the rest of us can flame you into oblivion for stealing.

Owned
 
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: wyvrn

Well for those of us who understand economics and copywright theory, we don't mind paying for media. If there isn't enough money to support the creation and distribution, then the quality will fall and production will stop. Pirating is not self sustaining, and basically you are stealing from the pockets of those people that are willing to pay for the product. That doesn't really make us happy 🙂 But continue to post how smart and cool you are on the Internet so the rest of us can flame you into oblivion for stealing.

How is it stealing when the MPAA puts copy-protection on DVDs? Did you know that some people have problems playing DVDs on their computers because of copy protection?

Think before you post next time.

Huh? How does copy protection make it not stealing? That's like saying that becaus your car had an alarm its not stealing if someone takes it.
 
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
How is it stealing when the MPAA puts copy-protection on DVDs? Did you know that some people have problems playing DVDs on their computers because of copy protection?

Think before you post next time.

How is it not stealing? Do you think the copy protection came before or after people were infringing their copyrights?
 
Well, maybe if they didn't make it so hard to watch movies that you actually paid for, more people would want to pay for them.
 
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Well, maybe if they didn't make it so hard to watch movies that you actually paid for, more people would want to pay for them.

Sure, just find any way to justify your actions. If my car worked better, I wouldn't have to steal someone else's car.
 
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Well, maybe if they didn't make it so hard to watch movies that you actually paid for, more people would want to pay for them.

I agree to an extent, but most of the people I know that pirate movies would pirate them even if they cost $5 each and you could play them on any device that had a screen. I honestly don't know of too many people who have said, well, I can't watch my movie so I'm going to go pirate all movies I ever see after this.

Not only that, but for the most part, DVDs have been very good at playing on just about any DVD player (with the exceptions being people buying really dirt cheap players that die after about 2 movies or recently with Sony screwing up again with DRM).

I could see buying a movie and then downloading a version that has the DRM stripped or doing that yourself, but saying that is the reason why every person pirates is reaching at best.

I dislike DRM just as much as you do, but piracy really has been a result of a society that puts no value on creative works. I've heard people say that music, games, and movies aren't even worth the money they spend on them so they pirate them. If I like something and get enjoyment out of it, then I will buy it.
 
Originally posted by: wiredspider
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Well, maybe if they didn't make it so hard to watch movies that you actually paid for, more people would want to pay for them.

Sure, just find any way to justify your actions. If my car worked better, I wouldn't have to steal someone else's car.

Sorry, I didn't realize everyone was such an MPAA sheep. Rolls eyes
 
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

I dislike DRM just as much as you do, but piracy really has been a result of a society that puts no value on creative works. I've heard people say that music, games, and movies aren't even worth the money they spend on them so they pirate them. If I like something and get enjoyment out of it, then I will buy it.

I would say it has less to do with our value of creative works and more to do with the ease of transferring digital media.

You don't see people shoplifting disproportionate amounts of actual DVDs or CDs, after all.

You don't even have to put pants on to download a movie.
 
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

I dislike DRM just as much as you do, but piracy really has been a result of a society that puts no value on creative works. I've heard people say that music, games, and movies aren't even worth the money they spend on them so they pirate them. If I like something and get enjoyment out of it, then I will buy it.

I would say it has less to do with our value of creative works and more to do with the ease of transferring digital media.

You don't see people shoplifting disproportionate amounts of actual DVDs or CDs, after all.

You don't even have to put pants on to download a movie.

It's all risk vs. return. Like you said, it's just too easy for someone to pirate from the comfort of their home with minimal effort and relatively low risk. But that doesn't mean it's not stealing. It just means that someone else is taking the risk that you would've taken if you shoplifted by hosting the files for you to download and the difficulty of converting the media into an easily transportable format. It's as if someone else stole it for you and you're just going over to pick it up.
 
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: wiredspider
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Well, maybe if they didn't make it so hard to watch movies that you actually paid for, more people would want to pay for them.

Sure, just find any way to justify your actions. If my car worked better, I wouldn't have to steal someone else's car.

Sorry, I didn't realize everyone was such an MPAA sheep. Rolls eyes


Yes, those of us who follow laws are MPAA sheep. You've got it, carry on!
 
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Well, maybe if they didn't make it so hard to watch movies that you actually paid for, more people would want to pay for them.


Excuses. It just so haaaaaaaaaaaaard to buy a movie, so I have to steal it! Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Fact: You are still a criminal. And your actions hurt those who obey the laws, not to mention the artists.

Now I get really frustrated when I go to Blockbuster and Hollywood video and they don't have enough copies of the movies I want. And Netflix and Blockbuster online both have long wait times. You'd think they would have figured out how to stock the most popular movies now. It makes me want to cheat, but I don't. I realize that technology will come where I can just pay for download in my underwear anytime I want. Or on my mobile device, hopefully while wearing more than underwear 🙂 In any case, I have patience while we get there and I don't steal from other people in the meantime. I just do something else and realize it's such a small problem to have in the first place.
 
Originally posted by: wyvrn
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Well, maybe if they didn't make it so hard to watch movies that you actually paid for, more people would want to pay for them.


Excuses. It just so haaaaaaaaaaaaard to buy a movie, so I have to steal it! Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Fact: You are still a criminal. And your actions hurt those who obey the laws, not to mention the artists.

Now I get really frustrated when I go to Blockbuster and Hollywood video and they don't have enough copies of the movies I want. And Netflix and Blockbuster online both have long wait times. You'd think they would have figured out how to stock the most popular movies now. It makes me want to cheat, but I don't. I realize that technology will come where I can just pay for download in my underwear anytime I want. Or on my mobile device, hopefully while wearing more than underwear 🙂 In any case, I have patience while we get there and I don't steal from other people in the meantime. I just do something else and realize it's such a small problem to have in the first place.

I don't steal movies because it's hard to buy them, I steal them because it's easy to steal them.

But ugggh...every anti-RIAA or anti-MPAA thread I see from now on will get linked straight to here
 
itunes would be making even more money if 1) this stuff was 720p. and 2) they let me burn it to DVD as 480p or whatever so I wouldn't be locked to my computer (alternatively, I would take a $100 Apple TV, that'd be worth it for me).
 
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: wyvrn
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Well, maybe if they didn't make it so hard to watch movies that you actually paid for, more people would want to pay for them.


Excuses. It just so haaaaaaaaaaaaard to buy a movie, so I have to steal it! Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Fact: You are still a criminal. And your actions hurt those who obey the laws, not to mention the artists.

Now I get really frustrated when I go to Blockbuster and Hollywood video and they don't have enough copies of the movies I want. And Netflix and Blockbuster online both have long wait times. You'd think they would have figured out how to stock the most popular movies now. It makes me want to cheat, but I don't. I realize that technology will come where I can just pay for download in my underwear anytime I want. Or on my mobile device, hopefully while wearing more than underwear 🙂 In any case, I have patience while we get there and I don't steal from other people in the meantime. I just do something else and realize it's such a small problem to have in the first place.

I don't steal movies because it's hard to buy them, I steal them because it's easy to steal them.

But ugggh...every anti-RIAA or anti-MPAA thread I see from now on will get linked straight to here


Ok fine. Changes nothing about what you do.
 
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