Discussion about ABT

[blackened23]

What happened to apoppin? He sounds mighty upset about not receiving review boards from AMD. The sudden shift in his tone practically overnight is pretty astounding, he sounds angry and bitter now.

Finally: 2008 called and said to stop benching with an i7-920. Get in touch with me and i'll set you up with a processor that isn't years old!

This thread was created from the thread-derail started by this post (the OP of this new thread) in the Quanta sues AMD thread.

Also, the community needs to be aware that apoppin is a member of this community and as such he is afforded every right as the rest of you to expect a modicum of respect and no personal attacks.

If you have something to say about apoppin that is negative, insulting, or personal then you need to find yourself another forum to say it in.

It is actionable here and I will be leveling penalties for violations as I come across them. There is no statute of limitations on this either, you don't get a "get out of jail free" card just because a couple weeks have passed since you posted some hateful/hurtful BS.

Administrator Idontcare


edit:
The discourse in this conversation has decidedly taken a nosedive.

As such, I am compelled to close this thread in an effort to retain some level of dignity and composure for the community.

You guys had your say, I hope you all got it out of your system. We are not the "bash ABT" forum, nor are we the Spanish Inquisition forum.

Future threads or posts found to be needlessly assailing the integrity of ABT will be closed for simple fact this is the wrong venue for that discussion. Take it to OT. (of course you are allowed to critically discuss ABT review articles in this venue, VC&G is the place for that)

Future threads or posts found to be needlessly assailing the integrity of members by way of innuendo or implication of involvement in unnamed anonymous hypothetical coordinated shilling in the forums will be sanctioned by the moderation team as the ad hominem personal attacks that they are.

If there are any questions at all in regards to this policy you are directed to log your inquiries in the Moderator Discussions subforum.

Administrator Idontcare

 

[blastingcap]

First off, who cares. Second off, its good to know that apoppin is a huge nvidia fanboy with no objective capability whatsoever. Maybe he's part of the nvidia focus group, he sounds like he's viewing the world through nvidia tinted glasses ridiculous.

That he even mentioned getting snubbed for the 7970 launch, let alone mention it like he did, probably says something about how he wasn't too thrilled with AMD. Doesn't matter that he shrugged it off; he publicly mentioned it at all.

That said, it's a huge leap in logic to then call him a "huge nvidia fanboy with no objective capability whatsoever."

 

[MrK6]

First off, who cares. Also, apoppin is ridiculous these days. Sudden hate for AMD, amazing, reading his posts is like reading posts from someone super butthurt from being snubbed. Hilarious. He also talks of kepler like it has an impending release, when it just taped out recently and has no prototype. Double amazing.

Its okay apoppin, we get it. You're upset because AMD isn't sending you review boards. Thats blatantly obvious after your sudden shift of tone after AMD dropped you. You sounded somewhat objective before,
now you sound old, bitter and angry. Its okay.

Finally: 2008 called and said to stop benching with an i7-920. Get in touch with me and i'll set you up with a processor that isn't years old!

His site was a joke anyway, glad AMD caught on.

 

[Lonbjerg]

What happened to apoppin? He sounds mighty upset about not receiving review boards from AMD. The sudden shift in his tone practically overnight is pretty astounding, he sounds angry and bitter now.

Finally: 2008 called and said to stop benching with an i7-920. Get in touch with me and i'll set you up with a processor that isn't years old!

He's under NDA from AMD...nice own goal

/topic:
I guess some posters are sad now...they lost their "bumpgate"-gun...

 

[Madcatatlas]

Glad you showed up taking that easy bait ljonberg.. The butthurt angle is very valid in regards to appopin as he several times mentioned not getting a review sample. And he is definetly not under any nda as far as the 7970 is concerned.

 

[MrK6]

Glad you showed up taking that easy bait ljonberg.. The butthurt angle is very valid in regards to appopin as he several times mentioned not getting a review sample. And he is definetly not under any nda as far as the 7970 is concerned.

Lonbjerg is just upset he got destroyed in this thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2217283&page=2
so now he's going to have a temper tantrum on the forums.


I do not think I was gone that long, but since when were personal attacks acceptable?
"He's upset he got destroyed"
"He's going to have a temper tantrum"

People, you all should know better, attack the message, not the messenger. And if people don't play nice and keep attacking you, report them and we'll be on them like white on rice.

Moderator jvroig

 

[Lonbjerg]

Glad you showed up taking that easy bait ljonberg.. The butthurt angle is very valid in regards to appopin as he several times mentioned not getting a review sample. And he is definetly not under any nda as far as the 7970 is concerned.

You should look up the thread here again.
He wen't silent after recieving a packet from AMD's PR thiingy...but you think that was a flamebait (the burthurt part)?

Well, then it needs to get reported...dosn't it?

 

[Grooveriding]

Why did you guys bite for this thread ? :thumbsdown: Best to ignore it.

On the topic of where it was discussed. Yes, abt is a joke of a review site now and all the reviews come off as nvidia shills. Have you seen the state of the forums where this topic was created by no other than Wreckage ?

The posters over there, including the site's head editor, think this forum is full of AMD viral marketers. And the editor wonders why he has to go to AIBs asking for alms to get a 7970 review sample rather than get one from AMD ? He is participating in his site's forum accusing AMD of viral marketing. Nice, so professional. Hope he gets a card, that review should make for a good laugh.

Won't point out specific posts, but glean over some of these threads for the pertinent posts - quickly! Looking at the forums there might count as giving page hits.

http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23899
http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=24160
http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23922

How ironic considering it's nvidia who viral markets and was caught viral marketing on anandtech's forums and elsewhere via some of the to later become focus group members.

But again, don't take the bait of this thread.

Edit: LOL Lonbjerg took the time to private mesasge me the link in the OP. What is wrong with you, dude. You think I care.

Sad times on anandtech for one of the 'sides'

 

[Arkadrel]

Why did you guys bite for this thread ? :thumbsdown: Best to ignore it.

On the topic of where it was discussed. Yes, abt is a joke of a review site now and all the reviews come off as nvidia shills. Have you seen the state of the forums where this topic was created by no other than Wreckage ?

The posters over there think this forum is full of AMD viral marketers. Won't point out specific posts, but glean over some of these threads for the pertinent posts - quickly! Looking at the forums there might count as giving page hits.

http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23899
http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=24160
http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23922

How ironic considering it's nvidia who viral markets and was caught viral marketing on anandtech's forums and elsewhere via some of the to later become focus group members.

But again, don't take the bait of this thread.

Edit: LOL Lonbjerg took the time to private mesasge me the link in the OP. What is wrong with you, dude. You think I care.

Sad times on anandtech for one of the 'sides'

Thats abit of a derail but lmao ^^ clearly Appopin isn a un-biased reviewer.... riiiiiiiiight.

Of course, AMD's viral over there (Anandtech) has now labeled him a Nvidia fanboy.

Then again, the fanATIcs have never been noted for their logical prowess or their intelligence ........

The *point* is that ANY SANE person who is not a dyed-in-the-wool AMD Graphics fan, can see this is a very underwhelming launch while AMD PR is doing the distraction dance (but look how well our cherry-picked samples overclock!! It's new architecture, the drivers will improve!!) and yet the FACT of the matter remains - a next generation chip is only 25% faster than their current competitor's STOCK offering and they overpriced it so that it will come back to bite them in the butt.

(i didn't think i could get that all in one breath)

When i predicted the $550 HD 7970 price in my preview, all the fanboys at HardOCP and ATF video forums were saying i was nuts - that it was going to be much cheaper while performing much better
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/amds-upc ... card/all/1

9 comments from his review:

Thanks a lot for the write-up, very helpful to catch up to the latest happenings with. The 7970 might just be the big upgrade over my dual 5770s I’ve been waiting for. 1440p is starting to take its toll from my current cards.

Look impressive. Ton of new feature. It beat the competitor top dog in every matrix with less power. Short-live or not, only time will tell. HD7970 is clearly, the new king in GPU world. It is right here and right now. Unless prove otherwise. I mean, you can not compare a real physical card (HD7979) to a NON-exist future card (GTX680), who knows, GTX680 may take 3,6 or more 9 months to come out, by them GTX680 will face AMD 8xxx series.

Great summary on what is going on! Makes sense that AMD wants to be first out of the gate, even if Tahiti could use a little more tweaking and respinning down the road.

When I click on the 7970 Preview image, I get taken to the EVGA GTX 560 Ti article.

Thanks. Fixed.

NP. A good pre-release read.

Pretty terrible preview…

There are no factual errors in it. It is dead on about the HD 7970 in every prediction.

Excellent preview with some smart predictions and analysis. Beats the pants off the 20-page benchmark-gasms I see everywhere else. Yes, they have their place, but they’re overrated.
Looks like 4Q2012 will be a really good time for a new GPU.






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i also said good-bye to Idontcare and scrambled my AnandTech Forum password. i would be INSANE to continue posting and sharing gems over there with them. i don't care to support them and worst of all, to engage with AMD PR agents and AMD Viral marketing shills over there - no doubt they are twisting my words and intentions as they report to their masters (just as Rollo did to me with Nvidia).

right below him:

Wreckage

That's the best part about posting over there. It's just a shame the have the power to get people banned for daring to stand up to them.

 

[blackened23]

Does apoppin really believe that AMD is paying posters here to participate in "viral" marketing?

Well, for the record, if I can grab a free 7970 i'll happily be a viral marketer for a week, where do I sign?

If Apoppin has any contacts within AMD to employ me for viral marketing purposes, please let me know who I need to contact. Thanks.

 

[railven]

Does apoppin really believe that AMD is paying posters here to participate in "viral" marketing?

Well, for the record, if I can grab a free 7970 i'll happily be a viral marketer for a week, where do I sign?

I'd drink to that. If I can score free swag and just fight people on a forum - hell why not?

Not like that isn't already happening anyways haha. Welp, good to see ABT is a site I shouldn't bother with. Could you imagine if Anand where in the fray accusing posters of being marketers. Woof!

Credibility, shot.

EDIT:
Haha, Just read this thread:
http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=24160

How ironic, first response to the thread was about the subject, 3 and 4 weren't. Derailed rather quickly there too, if not faster! 4 posts, 50% Off Topic. Nice!

 

[railven]

What? How does this work?

i think i can be proud of my HD 7970 preview and of my contacts - without contacts a tech writer is nothing - he is just guessing .. and i see that i did not guess.

Does this look impressive to you - for $550? Knowing that there is a refresh with fully enabled parts likely in late Q1 or early Q2?
This is AMD's "best case" PR deck slides

- - - And in case you missed it, there are no disabled parts in the Tahiti die. i got this confirmed yesterday and posted it in the other 7970 threads

So, he is proud his sources are good - and claims he isn't guess. Goes on to claim there is a refresh pending because some parts of disabled, and uses this as a reason to downplay the product launch. Then gets confirmation there are no disabled parts?

So, he was guessing, guessed wrong, and doesn't even update the original article to reflect he guessed wrong?

So, now we got the nVidia version of Semi-Accurate? Charlie versus Appopin? I'd pay to see that fight haha.

 

[Madcatatlas]

After that 3D vision stuff he was spreading around, this was bound to happen. And Wreckage posting that over there and Keysplayr posting it over here.. haha.

 

[railven]

After that 3D vision stuff he was spreading around, this was bound to happen. And Wreckage posting that over there and Keysplayr posting it over here.. haha.

Glad I'm not the only who saw that. Man, I'm glad I got to read the old Rollo thread. I need more index cards to keep track of the clicks on these tech forums.

Drama!

 

[Lonyo]

Simply don't understand! It is an article from Eweek and Bloomberg. And becomes shoot the messenger and personal attacks.

Companies sue other companies; it happens. No big deal in the big picture, imho!

When you consider that the article linked in the OP has turned into an anti-ATF thread, including posts about this thread being intended to start a s**tstorm, it's not hard to work out why it's a terrible thread.

Like tincart says, make a thread without a link to the ABT "discussion", and maybe you get a thread about the news story and not about the OP and linked thread.

 

[blackened23]

What happened to this thread... Hopefully it gets cleaned up, I went from reading a discussion about AMD chips frying (I think?) to ABT being the devil. Nice to know the attacks haven't stopped...

Anyways, to get back to the topic at hand, is this similar to what happened with Nvidia and their laptop chop problems a while back? I'm not really familiar with what happened, just that they had to pay out a sum of money and free laptops for the victims followed. Did those original problematic laptops not have sufficient cooling, like some claim happened here? Placing the blame on the laptop designer?

Well here's how it happened - reading the ABT link provided by kep, I immediately ran into anti AMD blabber from apoppin. Its kind of ironic because he seemed to be mostly objective in the past and then took a sudden shift when he couldn't get a review board from AMD. Seems like a childish backlash on his part, its ridiculous.

He's obviously entitled to his opinions but I expect reviewers to be the ultimate shining light for being objective and especially not mud slinging at hardware companies.

 

[96Firebird]

Well here's how it happened - reading the ABT link provided by kep, I immediately ran into anti AMD blabber from apoppin. Its kind of ironic because he seemed to be mostly objective in the past and then took a sudden shift when he couldn't get a review board from AMD. Seems like a childish backlash on his part, its ridiculous.

I really don't care how it happened, I read through the thread and saw the over-reaction by many. But thanks for the useless post to further derail the thread...

 

[MrK6]

Lonbjerg is just upset he got destroyed in this thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2217283&page=2
so now he's going to have a temper tantrum on the forums.


I do not think I was gone that long, but since when were personal attacks acceptable?
"He's upset he got destroyed"
"He's going to have a temper tantrum"

People, you all should know better, attack the message, not the messenger. And if people don't play nice and keep attacking you, report them and we'll be on them like white on rice.

Moderator jvroig

Imagine how you would whine if Keys moderated you in a thread were he is the OP...nice spin though.

Evidently personal attacks are fine as long as your name isn't "MrK6", amirite? What a joke.

Why did you guys bite for this thread ? :thumbsdown: Best to ignore it.

On the topic of where it was discussed. Yes, abt is a joke of a review site now and all the reviews come off as nvidia shills. Have you seen the state of the forums where this topic was created by no other than Wreckage ?

The posters over there, including the site's head editor, think this forum is full of AMD viral marketers. And the editor wonders why he has to go to AIBs asking for alms to get a 7970 review sample rather than get one from AMD ? He is participating in his site's forum accusing AMD of viral marketing. Nice, so professional. Hope he gets a card, that review should make for a good laugh.

Won't point out specific posts, but glean over some of these threads for the pertinent posts - quickly! Looking at the forums there might count as giving page hits.

http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23899
http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=24160
http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23922

How ironic considering it's nvidia who viral markets and was caught viral marketing on anandtech's forums and elsewhere via some of the to later become focus group members.

But again, don't take the bait of this thread.

Edit: LOL Lonbjerg took the time to private mesasge me the link in the OP. What is wrong with you, dude. You think I care.

Sad times on anandtech for one of the 'sides'

I agree, but I wouldn't even bother linking to him; the site doesn't deserve the page hits.

Well here's how it happened - reading the ABT link provided by kep, I immediately ran into anti AMD blabber from apoppin. Its kind of ironic because he seemed to be mostly objective in the past and then took a sudden shift when he couldn't get a review board from AMD. Seems like a childish backlash on his part, its ridiculous.

He's obviously entitled to his opinions but I expect reviewers to be the ultimate shining light for being objective and especially not mud slinging at hardware companies.

I'm glad others realize what's happening here and the problem is poses. :thumbsup:

Moderation issues belong in the Mod Discussions forum. Trolling doesn't belong anywhere, so knock it off
-ViRGE

 

[Will Robinson]

The swift and total derailment in this thread is the perfect example of what this subforum has become.

From ABT:

Seriously, I am completely done over there

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And yet....here you are again:whiste:

 

[bryanW1995]

Does apoppin really believe that AMD is paying posters here to participate in "viral" marketing?

Well, for the record, if I can grab a free 7970 i'll happily be a viral marketer for a week, where do I sign?

If Apoppin has any contacts within AMD to employ me for viral marketing purposes, please let me know who I need to contact. Thanks.

It doesn't work. I offered for yours to become an AMD viral marketer if they'd give me a bunch of free cards. Nobody ever listened, or returned my calls, or answered my emails, letters, faxes, txt msgs, or carrier pigeons. Nothing. So, finally, I bought a bunch of nvidia cards b/c they were cheaper for what I wanted.

BTW, while I'm sure that Apoppin is overreacting to his AMD snub, as he is wont to do, I've always liked him and have no desire to pile on him. You guys go ahead.

Great men talk about ideas; Mediocre men talk about things; Small men talk about people. --- Admiral Hyman Rickover

Back OT now: It seems that this is pretty close to a non-issue. A 7 yr old chipset that was old back when AMD bought ATI 5 1/2 yrs ago? Really? Nvidia's chipset issue last year (or the year before, they all run together when you're as old as I am) was on a still-current product. It was big news and big $$. I'm surprised anybody has even drawn parallels btwn the 2, honestly.

 

[Idontcare]

This thread was created from the thread-derail started by the OP of this new thread in the Quanta sues AMD thread.

Also, the community needs to be aware that apoppin is a member of this community and as such he is afforded every right as the rest of you to expect a modicum of respect and no personal attacks.

If you have something to say about apoppin that is negative, insulting, or personal then you need to find yourself another forum to say it in.

It is actionable here and I will be leveling penalties for violations as I come across them. There is no statute of limitations on this either, you don't get a "get out of jail free" card just because a couple weeks have passed since you posted some hateful/hurtful BS.

Administrator Idontcare

 

[Grooveriding]

This thread will only end poorly. That link to the forum there being posted in the first place only served to troll members here from a state of absolution over there.

If you read those forums it's clearly a free for all amongst the ten or so active posters where they can rant and diatribe against posters they don't like here. Any of their targets on this forum who read and are exposed to the imbecilic drivel being posted there could misstep and react negatively here to the people posting the madness there and wind up with infractions. Getting trolled through the back door.

As far as the editor, he brought the negative reaction on himself with his paranoid ramblings and while personal attacks are unnecessary, he is wide open to having his posts, articles and reactions picked to pieces.

What credence can be given to a website that posts articles with the clear slant his had and is possessed by an obsession with pure fantasy. I read there he thinks I report back to AMD and am the head of the AMD viral movement here.

Suffice to say my opinions being my own and their integrity being held to my views is something I place great value on and have since I was very young, to the point it is likely an affectation. The last thing I would do is place a governor on being able to express my honest opinion, feeling it necessary to make some case or spread misinformation - all because I have an obligation to shill so I can get tossed a few scraps of hardware yearly.

In short - what before I was mostly certain of, I am now 100% on - ABT is worthless based on the editor's clear detachment from reality and persecution complex in thinking people here are sabotaging him.

 

[NIGELG]

ABT forums' owner himself says Idontcare has the name of the 'AMD viral shills'....I say to Idontcare 'release said names so we can know just like with the Nvidia Focus Group'. Let them put it in their sig,too.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Yes i just read that same line from Apoppin, please clarify this IDC. Also i think threads like this should reside somewhere else, not on Video Forum. Mods please have some common sense and move it from the Video forum but IDC please clarify this for us. Who are the accused ones and why are they allowed to be posting here still after they where identifyed buy you???

apoppin - " i AM badmouthing the AMD shills who are given AMD hardware that live at ATF video; and it has been *confirmed* by Anand's own Administrator, Idontcare. And they are now on an ABT smear campaign because they are completely exposed as viral garbage and dirty liars."

"There was no "if" about it. Idontcare stated unequivocally that some members of the Anandtech forum get their kit free from AMD. He also declined to name names.

Can't you tell who they are? It is pretty obvious who they are."

 

[railven]

I'm honestly glad this thread was created, and I thank the mods for having the willingness to let us discuss this. I was worried if I posted my thoughts in the other thread I'd get infractions.

I rarely visted ABT, but after reading just a few of the recent threads over there - I don't see how that place is any different than the accussations those finding soverance there make of this place. In just one thread it was about 4-5 people posting all making claims about this place.

I'm not trying to finger people out (I'd rather not get infractions ) but some posters here cry foul yet are as guilty as the ones they are accusing of the penalities. It's just mind blowing at times.

Seems ABT is harboring those feelings and this "feature article" mentioned is something I'd love to read - for starters I'm against viral marketing. If we have those here, I believe it would be a service to the community to oust them. If Appopin is wrong, I doubt he'd admit it let alone apologize to the AT Forums.

I hope this thread doesn't just turn into another finger pointing-name calling crap thread.