Discuss Security VS Privacy Invasion

Mavrick007

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I was wondering what your ideas on our personal freedoms are comparing today with right after 9/11?
I am writing a report and would like to get some people's ideas and opinions on this matter.

Do you feel safer? Are restrictions and security increasing/decreasing?

Is it an extreme invasion of privacy or a justification for increased security?
What are some examples of extreme measures for security?

Have you heard of anyone that was specifically checked out by the government for being a certain nationality, or had a specific name?

Any other ideas or feelings on this topic, share them here..
 

Mavrick007

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That looks good, another security measure that probably has some merit, but will cost alot in the long run.

Keep the ideas streamin..
 

AFB

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I don't feel any safer at all. I feel that we have more to fear now that we have these "security" measures in place.
 

C'DaleRider

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I guess it all depends upon one's interpretation of "unreasonable searches and seizures", which is the "rigth to privacy" that is mentioned in the Constitution. It has been expanded over the years by the Courts to cover all sorts of things, but those Supreme Court decisions can easily overturned/overruled, as many decisions by the Courts are.

The Article that "guarantees" privacy, Article 4, only states: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Now, to some minds, especially the conservative-minded, the end justifies the means, meaning that the "honest" person out there should not fear the wiretapping of anything, phones, VOIP, your ISP, as long as the agency doing so is justified in the end by combatting whatever is the flavor of the day. Of course, a lot of totalitarian states arose with just such arguments......that if you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear from Big Brother looking over your shoulder, unknowingly of course. After all, "they" know best and "they" are doing it for your best interest.....who cares what else "they" happen to stumble across while looking for this or that. And that is the crux of the problem......what "they" do with the information gleaned while looking for something else. Typical searches exclude such discovery being used against the person being searched.

Take, for instance, you having your house searched for a stolen television. You are suspected of having the item and a search warrant is issued and executed. The police, typically the ones executing such a warrant, cannot go searching in matchboxes and cigarboxes just because they are laying around and they might find something "incriminating" in those boxes....like pot. They can't just willy-nilly look in such items and then prosecute you for what is found in them because a TV won't reasonably fit inside those objects, thereby giving no justification to peer into them.

The more liberal-minded tend to oppose the more over-reaching aspects of things like the Patriot Act.....thinking it gives government too much unrestrained power to do just what I said before......look over your shoulder without you knowing anything about it.

Remember, governments and bureaucracies tend to rarely give up easily what they have gotten....be it power, taxes, or whatever. and also remember, it's all for your own good.....so let those that "know better" do what "they" will.....because "they" will.
 

Amused

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The privacy rights we've lost since 9/11 pale in comparison with the rights lost in the name of the War on Drugs.
 

Spencer278

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Originally posted by: Amused
The privacy rights we've lost since 9/11 pale in comparison with the rights lost in the name of the War on Drugs.

That because the War on Terrorism is just getting started. Wait another 50 years and I'm sure the rights lost will be equal.
 

Mavrick007

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What are some new "laws" or actions that have seemed excessive to you
that have been used in the name of "security" or protection?

I would like to know some extreme cases.

Besides the Patriot Act, how has security of the nation changed since 9/11?
 

Dufusyte

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Those who would sacrifice privacy for security deserve neither.

The government has become the threat.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: Amused
The privacy rights we've lost since 9/11 pale in comparison with the rights lost in the name of the War on Drugs.



Care to elaborate on the rights lost to the war on drugs?
 

BatmanNate

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If you want some interesting substance to add to your report, research the IAO (Information Awareness Office) and who heads it, how it's funded, its relation to 9/11, etc. That is some scary stuff.
 

DrNoobie

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The right to privacy is not an enumerated right and has only been established in Supreme Court cases since 1960 through the Warren, Burger, and Rehnquist courts.
 

marquee

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As long as the information they collect about me is kept confidential and I don't see a disturbance in my normal life, I'm ok with it.
 

DrNoobie

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Originally posted by: Dufusyte
Those who would sacrifice privacy for security deserve neither.

The government has become the threat.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjiman Franklin
 

TommyVercetti

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Invasion of privacy is meaningless in these times, and security takes top most preference. In these times you can't even tell if that neighbour of yours is harboring some dangerous people.
 

Mavrick007

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Originally posted by: BatmanNate
If you want some interesting substance to add to your report, research the IAO (Information Awareness Office) and who heads it, how it's funded, its relation to 9/11, etc. That is some scary stuff.

Thanx, I will look into this.

Due to the change in security, who has been questioned or what measures have been done that wouldn't have been done even a few years ago?